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thinking in just mathematical terms I can say:- u = 1 - 1/3 = +2/3 d = 1/2 - 5/6 = -1/3 u+u+u = +2 u+u+d = +1 u+d+d = 0 d+d+d = -1 I can reverse signs and say:- -u = -1+1/3 = -2/3 -d = -1/2 +5/6 = +1/3 newtons 3rd law of motion says a force in one direction must be met by an equal and opposite force.A quantum fluctuation (+1-1=0).Conservation of energy says that if this quantum fluctuation disappears another quantum fluctuation must reappear somewhere else so as to conserve the energy,producing a quantum foam. Going back to newtons 3rd law if a uneven force is applied it must be met by an equal and opposite uneven force,a mirror image. therefore if a force u = +1f-1/3f = +2/3f it produces -u = -1f+1/3f = -2/3f and a force d = +1/2f-5/6f = -1/3f it produces -d = -1/2f+5/6f = +1/3 If a force e = -1 then a force p = +1 therefore i can say (u+u+d) + e = 0 and (-u+-u+-d) + p = 0 I am now struggling with the idea of "particles in a box",does anyone have a simpler way of explaining it?

If we take standard model and twist it around slightly,and state it as follows:- energy is positively charged (+) anti-energy is negatively charged (-) energy creates matter (m+) anti-energy creates anti-matter (a-) by ratio of (m+) and (a-) particles consist as follows:- electron = 1(a-) positron = 1(m+) up quark = 1(m+) + 2/6(a-).....................charge = +2/3 down quark = 5/6(a-) + 3/6(m+)...........charge = -1/3 anti-up quark = 1(a-) + 2/6(m+)..............charge = -2/3 anti-down quark = 5/6(m+) + 3/6(a-)....charge = +1/3 delta baryons:- (uuu) = 3(m+) & 1(a-)..............charge = +2 (uud) = 2.5(m+) & 1.5(a-).........charge = +1 (udd) = 2(m+) & 2(a-)............charge = 0 (ddd) = 2.5(a-) & 1.5(m+)........charge = -1 hydrogen atom = proton 2.5(m+) + 1.5(a-) + electron 1(a-) = charge 0 anti delta baryons (-u-u-u) = 3(a-) & 1(m+)...........charge = -2 (-u-u-d) = 2.5(a-) & 1.5(m+).........charge = -1 (-u-d-d) = 2(a-) & 2(m+)...........charge = 0 (-d-d-d) = 2.5(m+) & 1.5(a-).........charge = +1 anti-hydrogen atom = anti-proton 2.5(a-) + 1.5(m+) + positron 1(m+) = charge 0

ok.thanks I will read up on w boson a bit more to see if I can get a better understanding.

you do not sound to sure "mystery111".In the above analogy the w boson would circulate between electron and proton,and back to electron, creating a magnetic field?

If I take a quantity of bar magnets and stand half of them at one end of a table with there negative poles upwards,and the take the other half and stand them at the other end of table with there positive poles standing upwards.Take an extra bar magnet on a spindle which goes through the centre between it's two poles.Can I compare this to a w boson,a force carrying particle,when I pass it over the negative area of magnets it will flip and show me it's negative pole w- boson.Then take w- boson to positive area of magnets my force carrying particle will flip back and show me its positive side w+ boson.Is there sense in this?

does quantum theory and super fluid vacuum theory have a common approach where space is viewed as a super fluid or quantum foam?That's why the venturi effect came to mind,I was trying to understand why a massless photon,that must be just energy does not radiate outwards.

(E+) = minimum value of energy fluctuation in quantum foam/2 (E-) = minimum value of energy fluctuation in quantum foam/2 Taking electron & positron as standard units:- (1m+) = (E+) x q (1a-) = (E-) x q where q is unknown quantity required to produce (1m+) or (1a-) f = frequency t(g) = time duration(gluon period) c = velocity of light v=velocity less than light k = kinetic energy produced by velocity k at c =(1m+)/2 + (1a-)/2 k at v = k at c/v energy of electron =( (1a-) x f x t(g) ) + v(of space bubble) energy of positron =( (1m+) x f x t(g) ) + v(of space bubble) a photon can be >< ( ( (1m+)/2 + (1a-)/2 ) x f x t(g) ) + (1m+)/2 + (1a-)/2 ) if photon is greater than above e.g:- ( ( (1.1m+)/2 +(1.1a-)/2 ) x f x t(g) ) + (1m+)/2 + (1a-)/2 ) then a photon has enough energy to produce electron & positron pair:- electron = ( (1a-) x f/2 x t(g) ) + c(.1m+) velocity of 30,000,000metres/sec positron = ( (1m+) x f/2 x t(g) ) + c(.1a-) velocity of 30,000,000metres/sec

testing this theory in double slit experiment.Electron travels as an electro magnetic wave within an area of space that travels with its own momentum.Its as if the wave was on a treadmill.The area of space travels through both slits as a fluid would.When the bubble of space (particle) hits the detector the treadmill stops and the energy of the wave is released. If I could make my self an infinitely small observer that would not interfere with the system I was observing.I would see an electron within an area of (space that was travelling at e.g. 100m/sec) relative to the area of space that I was in.If I could catch up with the area of space that was travelling at 100m/sec,and enter it,I would be travelling with that space at 100m/sec relative to the space that I was in,however the electro magnetic wave would be travelling away from me at the speed of light.But the transition from being in an area of space that is stationary to an area of space that is moving would be gradual,the closer I get the faster the space that I am in is moving(gravity),until I am in the space that is travelling at 100m/sec.Once inside the area I can try to catch up with the electro magnetic wave,but I cannot go faster than light,So I can only match its speed and stay at what ever distance I am from it( I would then be on the treadmill).

If there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum,because there are still quantum fluctuations,of positive and negative energy(E+ E-). space can by defined as a quantum foam of energy.it has fabric.the nature of this fabric,is that if you try to pull it apart you input energy into it,which separates as matter and anti-matter,but space has an elastic quality as soon as you stop putting energy in,it snaps back together. If energy is input as electro-magnetic wave,as the wave travels through the quantum foam,the front edge of the wave is pulling the fabric apart creating virtual matter(m+) and virtual anti-matter(a-).The wave does this up to it's full amplitude,where then as the wave passes the (m+) and (a-) will be pulled back together by the elastic fabric of space,returning the energy to the wave.The wave has a constant speed related to the speed that (m+) and (a-) pull apart and snap back together.This is the speed of light. If the space that contains the (m+) side of the wave can be nudged,an equal and opposite momentum must be imparted in the (a-) side of the wave.(m+) could be in an area of space that has momentum in one direction,while (a-) is in an area of space with momentum in opposite direction.(m+) is travelling as a wave in an area of space,this area of space travels through a larger comparatively infinite space of quantum foam.The quantum foam having equal amounts of positive energy and negative energy,means(m+) and (a-) are not annihilated.(m+) and (a-) are travelling in there own bubble of space. If this happens in a multitude of areas of space,a vast number of (m+) and (a-) bubbles will be created travelling in all directions.A head on collision between (m+) and (a-) results in annihilation.But close encounters because of attractive nature of (m+) and (a-) will convert linear motion of space bubbles into angular momentum.(m+) and (a-)bubbles orbit central point. (m+) of the correct size = positron (a-) of correct size = electron up quark =5(m+) + 4(a-) down quark =5(a-) + 4(m+) electron =(A-) positron =(m+) proton =(up up down) = 14(m+) + 13(a-) = +1 anti-proton =(down down up) = 14(a-) + 13(m+) = -1 27 bubbles spinning creating a larger bubble that can have it's own independent momentum in space. hydrogen atom = proton bubble + electron(a-) which when capture within the proton bubble gains the same angular momentum as the proton bubble.hydrogen atom then has its own independent bubble that can have it's own independent momentum in space. Anti-hydrogen is anti-proton bubble(14a- 13m+) + captured positron.Again anti-hydrogen has it's own independent bubble that can have independent momentum. q = number greater than or equal to 1 but less than infinity. m+ = q x m+/q therefore a- = q x a-/q in the case of a photon the electro magnetic wave travels at speed of light inside a bubble of space that travels at the speed of light through space.Mass depends on the value of (q). therefore E = m x speed of electro-magnetic wave inside bubble c x speed of bubble through space c /sec This model differs from the standard model in that it says electrons and all negative charge particles are made of anti-matter.And positron and all positive charged particles are made of matter.And that there is an equal amount of matter and anti-matter.But it still says that there could be galaxies made of anti-atoms. thanks for reading would appreciate any feedback.

Having thought about this model,an idea has occurred to me.If I multiple my units by 3 as follows:- Up quark = (5m+ 4a-) down quark = (5a- 4m+) proton = spherical rubik's cube(up up down) = (14m+ 13a-) = m+ (m+ a- m+) (a- m+ a-) (m+ a- M+) (a- m+ a-) (m+ a- m+) (a- m+ a-) (m+ a- m+) (a- m+ a-) (m+ a- m+) up down up A spherical rubik's cube with the (a-) at centre of down quark at centre of spherical rubik's cube.The sphere would have to spin at high revs creating enough angular momentum to equal force of attraction.this would increase mass of proton in comparison to the sum of the individual quarks. photon would consist of equal ratio of energy (m+ a-) I would have to add the value (q) to this model:- q = a number greater than 1 but less than infinity. then say that m+ = q x m+/q and that a- = q x a-/q For example if I put in that q = 10^9 then:- m+ = 10^9 x m+/10^9 a- = 10^9 x a-/10^9

yes,your right,but is that not a question of how much space is condensed back to a singularity,producing a greater density of quantum fluctuations,producing particle pairs(negative & positive).

Like the opposing poles of magnets force carrying particles travel from electron to proton,from proton to electron at a rate that does not overcome the strong force.Photo electric effect frequency not intensity.

Answer to both questions I do not know.I am thinking in terms of a puzzle.But it predicts where all the anti-matter has gone.I can but explore the idea further until I can go no further.

I have a question does the venturi effect apply to the photon,venturi effect says the higher the velocity of a fluid the lower its static pressure.Does this mean that if a photon travels at speed of light there is no static pressure to radiate outwards.

Thanks for the feedback.If in this model the electron is made of anti-matter.Then i would say:- neutron = proton + electron + anti-electron neutrino anti-neutron = anti-proton + positron + positron neutrino I think I would have to add a definition to this:- anti-electron neutrino = kinetic anti-energy (negative) positron neutrino = kinetic energy (positive)

yes I agree,but i cant help wondering if a photon is just a massless point of high density quantum fluctuations.Or am I out of bounds with that idea.If I could condense the space back towards a singularity.

In the heavier radioactive particles the atoms do radiate their energy away into space,until the atom decays into smaller more stable atoms. Where there must be a balance of energy in and energy out.

If we take the standard model and twist it around slightly and state it as follows:- Energy is positively charged (+) anti-energy is negatively charged (-) Energy creates matter (positive) anti-energy creates anti-matter (negative) m+ matter a- anti-matter up quark consists by ratio of (m+ a- m+) = (+2 -1) down quark consists by ratio of (a- m+ a-) = (-2 +1) proton consists of (up up down) = 2(+2 -1) + (-2 +1) = +5 -4 anti proton consists of (down down up) = 2(-2 +1) + (+2 -1) -5 +4 electron = a- positron = m+ neutron = proton + electron anti-neutron = anti-proton + positron hydrogen atom = proton + electron = 2(+2 -1) + (+1 -2) + (-1) = zero anti hydrogen atom = anti-proton + positron = 2(-2 +1) + (+2 -1) + (+1) = zero If nothing else,I can say that this model obeys conservation of energy law(energy in + energy out =zero) My question is can it be applied,or am I missing some factor?

Your point about electrons bouncing around inside a material,they would never collide with the nucleus or interact with it,just be capture or released,depending on the energy level of the atoms. If we are saying that both proton and electron are made of matter,then why the different charges,negative and positive. If we say that matter is positively charge and anti-matter is negatively charged,then saying proton are made of matter and electrons are made of anti-matter.makes more sense.My question is are we saying that electrons are made of matter simply because it is convention or is there experimental proof?I have seen no mention of it.

No proof of that at HERA when they collide electrons or positrons with protons the electron and positrons act pretty much the same. I will suggest a different model:- matter is positively charged anti-matter is negatively charged up quark consists of 2/3 matter + 1/3 anti-matter down quark consist of 1/3 matter + 2/3 anti-matter proton consists of 2ups + 1down anti-proton consists of 1up + 2downs electron consist of matter positron consists of anti-matter neutron = proton + electron anti-neutron = anti-proton + positron photon = anti-matter wave/particle anti-photon = matter wave/particle neutrino = matter & anti-matter wave/particle But keep in mind how a MEXICAN WAVE creates an illusion,just because people sit down does not mean they are not there any more.I am not suggesting that the electron is only made of anti-matter,i am saying that the anti-matter is up while the matter is down.

if a clock travels at speed of light,its internal workings would have to stop or travel faster than light,to keep working.

I would like to suggest you look on internet and watch world record for MEXICAN WAVE video.

by what definition,collisions at HERA between electrons and protons,do not indicate or prove that the electron is made of matter.I would be interested to read articles that give the evidence for electrons being made of matter,and positrons are made of anti-matter,if not its just an assumption.How do we prove that protons and electrons are made of the same stuff.

On your thread about cells.If matter and anti-matter is pulled apart it requires energy the further you pull it apart the more energy required.An opposite force is created that wants to pull it back together,like a spring or capacitor.In a perfect vacuum there are still quantum fluctuations,put these principals together and your cells can work.Energy being transferred from one cell to a joining cells radiating outwards creating spheres.Nothing moves,but energy travels as a Mexican wave.Your cells would be made up of matter anti-matter pairs.

Yes, a virtual particle could give up its energy to another larger particle,or it could disperse into a larger number of smaller undetectable quantum fluctuations.