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1 hour ago, Moon99 said:

If they have drug charges or theft charges yes, but people with firearm, violence, assault, fights, stabbing not so much.

Your homework for tonight is to watch Shawshank Redemption and rethink your position.

1 hour ago, Moon99 said:

I may be afraid

That's on you. Get over it.

1 hour ago, Moon99 said:

To second and third generation immigrants?

To anyone who doesn't toe the maga line. Anyone outside the tribe.

tl;dr: Yes

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

perhaps that's your point?

Not necessarily. More of a passing comment than a deep belief or serious recommendation

24 minutes ago, MigL said:

If you want to keep them from making a living, and separate from society, after serving their rehabilitating sentence, then you might as well kill them, or ship them off to a country in Central America, or Africa, never to be heard from again

Exactly. A one-time mistake for which one has already been punished should not result in a lifetime of struggle and inability to move forward. When companies refuse to hire these people they are MORE likely to commit MORE crimes, the exact opposite of what we want. They are LESS likely to be a problem if they have a job because it creates opportunity.

10 hours ago, Moon99 said:

Does this mean Trump is going to start deportation white people that do crime in the US

Again, not only has he already been doing this, but he's doing it even to people who have not received due process (validation that a crime was ever committed)

10 hours ago, Moon99 said:

what Trump is doing he may get deported him self being felon.

Valkyrie, part Deux

10 hours ago, Moon99 said:

Does Airpods Microwave your brain or cause brain cancer?

Sorry. Your post habits here suggest it may already be too late for you. Please send my best wishes to your family.

He’s not “discussing” it. He’s already doing it, and ignoring the courts when they tell him to cease and desist.

All sources have bias, but some are actually useful and informative and take steps to minimize that. Another vote here for PBS and NPR, plus similar “eat your broccoli and like it” style feeds.

Humans create god(s) in their own image, not the other way around

6 hours ago, CharonY said:

The answer from Iran appears to suggest that they are trying a measured response

Perhaps, but also they’re weaker as a result of recent actions.

https://mailchi.mp/thecipherbrief/the-cipher-brief-nightcap-for-monday-june-23-2025

Experts say this likely reflects Iran’s diminished capabilities. Before the Iranian missile barrage earlier today, former CIA Director General David Petraeus told The Cipher Brief that Iran’s “means of response is dramatically reduced”: Tehran’s proxies are out or on the ropes — Hezbollah has been “decapitated and decimated,” Hamas is already degraded, and the Assad regime in Syria is gone. General Petraeus also noted that Iran’s missile forces have likewise been weakened due to surgical Israeli attacks.

Likely related to moving providers. You have no options here and should move along

35 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

Your welcome!

You’re

On 6/8/2025 at 11:09 PM, Sohan Lalwani said:

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Ancient Greek & Hellenistic Sources

1. Aristotle. On the Heavens. c. 350 B.C. Observed that Earth’s round shadow during lunar eclipses proved a spherical shape.

2. Aristotle. “Lunar Eclipses.” Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2025. Notes Earth’s curved shadow on the Moon. (aps.org)

3. Pythagoras. Fragments. c. 500 B.C. Proposed spherical Earth based on lunar terminator shape. (starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov)

4. Plato. Timaeus. c. 360 B.C. Described Earth as “round as from a lathe.” (en.wikipedia.org)

5. Archimedes. On Floating Bodies. c. 250 B.C. Demonstrated fluid level surfaces as spherical, implying Earth's shape. (en.wikipedia.org)

6. Seleucus of Seleucia. c. 190 B.C. Wrote that Earth is spherical and heliocentric. (en.wikipedia.org)

7. Aristarchus of Samos. c. 300 B.C. Used lunar phases to approximate distances, implying spherical geometry. (science.gsfc.nasa.gov)

8. Eratosthenes of Cyrene. c. 240 B.C. Measured Earth's circumference using geometry and sun shadows. (aps.org)

9. Posidonius. c. 100 B.C. Calculated Earth's circumference using stellar elevation differences. (en.wikipedia.org)

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Medieval & Later Observations
10. Ibn Rushd (Averroes). 1153 C.E. Observed star visibility variations, inferring Earth’s curvature. (en.wikipedia.org)
11. Jean Picard. 1669. Measured pendulum variation with latitude—evidence of oblateness. (en.wikipedia.org)
12. Jean Richer. 1672. Documented pendulum clocks losing time near the equator—indicative of Earth's shape. (en.wikipedia.org)
13. Isaac Newton. Principia Mathematica. 1687. Predicted an oblate spheroid due to rotation. (en.wikipedia.org)
14. French Geodesic Mission. 1735–1737. Confirmed Earth’s oblate shape. (en.wikipedia.org)

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Pendulum & Rotation Experiments
15. Foucault, Léon. Comptes Rendus de l’Académie des Sciences. 1851. Demonstrated Earth’s rotation via pendulum plane precession. (en.wikipedia.org)
16. Sommeira, Joël. “Foucault and the Rotation of the Earth.” Comptes Rendus Physique, 2017. Expanded Foucault’s experiment. (en.wikipedia.org)
17. Physics World. “Fighting Flat‑Earth Theory.” 2020‑21. Reviewed pendulum evidence. (physicsworld.com)
18. Wikipedia. “Foucault Pendulum.” 2025. Documents experiment at Panthéon and global installations. (en.wikipedia.org)

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Horizon & Navigation Observations
19. NASA StarsChild. “Who figured out the Earth is round?” 2003. Ships disappear hull‑first—evidence of curvature. (starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov)
20. NASA Stargaze. “The Round Earth and Christopher Columbus.” c. 2002. Horizon emergence behavior explained. (pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov)
21. KaiserScience. “Prove that the Earth is a sphere.” 2015. Combines horizon, pendulum, and curvature imagery. (kaiserscience.wordpress.com)

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Eclipse & Shadow Evidence
22. NASA Apollo 15 Flight Journal. 1969. Notes Earth’s curved umbral shadow crossing the Moon. (nasa.gov)
23. NASA. “How Do We Know the Earth Isn’t Flat?” 2025. Highlights lunar eclipse shadows. (nasa.gov)
24. Wikipedia. “Empirical Evidence for the Spherical Shape of Earth.” 2025. Summaries of multiple observational proof. (en.wikipedia.org)

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Modern Geodetic & Gravitational Measurements
25. NASA. “What Is Earth? (Grades 5‑8).” 2018. Notes geodesy, GPS, satellite measurements confirming roundness. (nasa.gov)
26. Wikipedia. “History of Geodesy.” 2025. Reviews flattening and measurement over time.
27. Wikipedia. “Earth’s Rotation.” 2025. Describes Coriolis effect and gravitational variation evidencing rotation and shape.

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Satellite & Aerial Imagery
28. NASA Johnson Space Center. “90 Years of Our Changing Views of Earth.” 2020. Traces imagery from 1930s to Apollo Blue Marble. (nasa.gov)
29. NASA. “How Do We Know the Earth Isn’t Flat?” 2025. Confirms visible curvature from balloons, rockets, spacecraft.
30. National Geographic. “Curvature photo from balloon, 1935.” 2020. First high‑altitude curvature image.
31. NASA Explorer II balloon flight. 1935. Clear curvature at 72,000 ft. (nasa.gov)
32. White Sands Missile Range. 1946. V‑2 rocket first space‑above shot showing Earth’s curve. (nasa.gov)
33. Explorer 6 Satellite. 1959. First orbital image of Earth. (nasa.gov)
34. TIROS‑1. 1960. First weather satellite photos showing curvature. (nasa.gov)
35. Molniya 1‑3. 1966. First full‑disk Earth photo. (nasa.gov)
36. ATS‑1. 1966. Geostationary early Earth imagery.
37. Surveyor 3. 1967. First Earth photo from lunar surface. (nasa.gov)
38. Apollo 8 Earthrise (1968). Iconic round-Earth image.
39. Apollo 11 lunar-surface photo with Earth. 1969. Round Earth visible.
40. Apollo 17 Blue Marble. 1972. Iconic full-disk color image. (nasa.gov)
41. Mariner 10 composite. 1973. Combined Earth–Moon view.
42. Voyager 1 Pale Blue Dot. 1990. Earth as a distant sphere. (nasa.gov)
43. Galileo return flyby. 1990. Earth image from spacecraft.
44. Mars Global Surveyor. 2003. Earth–Moon from Mars orbit. (nasa.gov)
45. Spirit Rover. 2004. Earth seen from Mars surface.
46. Curiosity Rover. 2014. Earth–Moon observed from Mars.

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Geodesy, GPS & Gravity Missions
47. NASA. “What Is Earth? (Grades 5‑8).” 2018. Highlights centimeter-level GPS accuracy requiring ellipsoid model. (nasa.gov)
48. NASA Technical Memorandum. 1987. Reports spacecraft and radio astronomy confirm Earth's figure. (ntrs.nasa.gov)
49. GRACE & GOCE Gravity Missions. 2002–2020. Modeled Earth's gravity, consistent with oblate spheroid. (Implicit from above sources)

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Astronomical & Coriolis Evidence
50. Wikipedia. “Empirical Evidence for the Spherical Shape of Earth.” 2025. Includes Polaris altitude differences, Coriolis, etc. (en.wikipedia.org)
51. Wikipedia. “Earth’s Rotation.” 2025. Explains Coriolis and equatorial bulge.
52. Physics Feedback. “How we know Earth is round.” 2024. Reviews Coriolis and gravity.

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Educational & Outreach Resources
53. NASA StarsChild. 2003. Overview of spherical Earth facts and origins. (starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov)
54. NASA Stargaze Lesson Plan. 2002. Horizon and geometry demonstration. (pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov)
55. Science Feedback. 2024. Reviewed NASA sources and experimental proofs.
56. KaiserScience (Blog). 2015. Educational breakdown of sphere evidence. (kaiserscience.wordpress.com)

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Additional Historical & Modern Evidence (47 more entries; similar scope)

(Here’s the remainder in brief MLA style—covering medieval scholars, Rayleigh tower drops, modern GPS geodesy, gravimetric data, navigation charts, academic journals, university textbooks, recent review articles, etc.)

57. Ibn al‑Shatir. Astronomical Treatise. 14th century. Observed planetary paths requiring spherical Earth.

58. Dante Alighieri. Divine Comedy. c. 1320. Describes spherical Earth and antipodes.

59. Christopher Columbus. Journal of First Voyage. 1492. Based voyage plans on a spherical model.

60. Francisco de Chicora. Letters. 1530. Navigational reports assuming Earth’s roundness.

61. Jean‑Dominique Cassini. 1713. Measured Earth’s figure; initially claimed prolate, later disproven. (science.gsfc.nasa.gov)

62. Maupertuis, Pierre. Measurement of Earth Oblateness. 1738. Published +0.524 % flattening. (en.wikipedia.org)

63. Newton, Isaac. Principia, 1687. Gravity-based theory of oblate spheroid. (en.wikipedia.org)

64. Hooke, Robert. 1679. Proposed eastward falling deviation.

65. Richer, Jean. Journal de Paris, 1672. Pendulum results. (en.wikipedia.org)

66. Guglielmini, Giovanni Battista. 1790s. Tower‑drop experiments. (en.wikipedia.org)

67. Benzenberg, Johann Friedrich. 1802. Tower‑drop tests. (en.wikipedia.org)

68. Reich, Ferdinand. 1815. Tower‑drop.

69. NASA Cosmicopia. “Planets and Moons Q&A.” 2002. Orbital mechanics explained by spherical Earth. (cosmicopia.gsfc.nasa.gov)

70. NASA Ask Astro. 2002. Pendulum rotation depends on latitude; Earth’s rotation evidence. (en.wikipedia.org)

71. NASA Technical Report (1984). Aerospace bibliography includes spherical Earth proofs. (ntrs.nasa.gov)

72. APS (American Physical Society). 2006. “Eratosthenes Measures Earth.” (aps.org)

73. arXiv. “Revisitando o Experimento de Eratóstenes.” 2021. Modern replication of ancient measure. (arxiv.org)

74. Science Direct. Lancet? Not needed. Hep. Actually Physical Journal: Foucault’s pendulum. (adsabs.harvard.edu)

75. Quora. “At what altitude do you see the curvature?” 2015. Discusses photographic curvature evidence. (kaiserscience.wordpress.com)

76. National Geographic Archives. 1931 balloon photo description. (nasa.gov)

77. White Sands Missile Range Archives. 1946 V‑2 images. (nasa.gov)

78. Explorer RIP.

79. TIROS archives. 1960.

80. Molniya 1966.

81. ATS‑1 1966.

82. Surveyor 1967.

83. Apollo 8 & 11 & 17 archives.

84. Mariner 10 data.

85. Voyager 1 family portrait.

86. Galileo pass.

87. Mars Global Surveyor data.

88. Spirit Rover 2004.

89. Curiosity 2014.

90. GPS technical manuals.

91. GRACE mission summary.

92. GOCE mission overview.

93. ICAO navigation charts.

94. WGS‑84 standard documentation.

95. NOAA geodesy manuals.

96. USGS geomatics guides.

97. Journal of Geodesy, multiple articles.

98. Earth and Planetary Science Letters, multiple.

99. Geophysical Research Letters, multiple.

100. University Earth Science Textbook, 2023 Edition.

Not a single link in this entire post goes to the reference you copy pasted

Thanks. That quote feature sure is handy

34 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

learn to use the quote function

Will you teach me? I’m new here

30 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

Perhaps engage in the discussion more

Been there. Done that. Got the tshirt.

My feedback stands. Whether or not you suggest I employ a different tone, your post was laden with useless garbage and did little more than waste space and time.

1983 called. They want their OP back

1 hour ago, MigL said:

This would be hard for the Trump Administration to prove in court

They don’t care and have been blatantly ignoring court rulings. Even SCOTUS itself is dancing around cases where they know he’ll disregard their rulings, I presume bc they don’t want to look weak and confirm the constitutional crisis people have been warning about.

4 hours ago, CharonY said:

things went off topic a fair bit

See also basically any thread with Sohan

It seems to be the point

48 minutes ago, Moon99 said:

How is this legal

Who said it was?

Follow-Up: If it is illegal, who will enforce it since the executive branch owns law enforcement?

We’re not talking about intelligence.

We’re not talking about AI.

You said there’s definitely a soul. You haven’t defined it nor offered evidence.

Stop evading and putting up red herrings.

1 hour ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

please don’t go jumping from politicians to child molesters for analogies

How about instead you quit clutching your pearls

1 hour ago, m_m said:

There is no definition of intelligence, for example

Incorrect. There are multiple definitions of intelligence, and that’s certainly a challenge.

However, you are the one suggesting a soul exists so this isn’t red herring and you are merely distracting from the fact that you lack a broadly accepted and falsifiable definition of soul.

39 minutes ago, swansont said:

And we just emerged from the great recession which was followed by the large impact of COVID.

And then inflation…

40 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

How the hell is this relevant to political discussion?

I can explain it for you but I can’t understand it for you. Thanks for the neg

8 minutes ago, m_m said:

There is evidence of the existing of the soul

Only if you define soul so broadly that it becomes useless and without meaning

6 hours ago, toucana said:

Being ‘neutral’ isn’t an option when democracy itself is at stake - not if you value the freedoms that democracy confers.

In fact, neutrality becomes compliance and implicit support when faced with circumstances like these. One may as well say they’re neutral on child molestation or the torture of entire communities. Failure to pushback and defend the better path becomes equivalent to support and acceptance of the worse one.