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Another one from the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clintons-link-to-putin-is-the-underreported-dossier-bombshell/2017/10/31/0623f2f4-ba87-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html?utm_term=.feb9fe9f56a5 The funny/strange type.

Why do you think Hillary, John Podesta, and all other democrats are claiming ignorance regarding the Steele Dossier? They don't think they look good in horizontal stripes. Thank you.

You always know you are winning an argument on the internet when someone claims you're a Nazi. Goebbels no less. I must really be on to something. The facts are that Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC paid Russians for the information in the Steele dossier. These are facts reported by the Washington Post. Paying foreign nationals to participate in campaigns is illegal. Laws apply to Hillary and the DNC as much as they apply to anyone else.

I thought this topic was about the Meuller indictments? Why no comments on those? Well here they are. https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2017/10/30/us/money-laundering-tax-fraud-lobbying-manafort-gates/s/manfort-docs-slide-FRXD.html Here is commentary from the NY Times. Looks like Trump is in the clear to me.

Well of course you don't see it as equivalent. Of course you are not outraged. Of course you see it as a distraction. Of course you don't care if they fry Hillary. The quid prod quo collusion between Russia and Hillary/DNC doesn't fit you agenda which is to get Trump out of office. You will ignore anything that doesn't fit that agenda. You could care less about Hillary at this point because she is a loser. She was such a bad candidate she couldn't even beat Donald Trump. You have been looking for collusion with Russia since the election and now that its been found you pretend it doesn't exist. if such money trail evidence had been found between Trump, the Trump Campaign, or the RNC you would be hysterically demanding impeachment.

So Putin did all the things you mention above, but when Christopher Steele meets with Russian officials holding fists full of Clinton campaign and DNC cash, looking for dirt on candidate Donald Trump to disrupt our democratic processes in the United States, you see this as unrelated to election subterfuge? Really? While it does blow a huge hole in arguments that the Kremlin wanted Trump to win the election, all of these Russian actions are indeed related, just not in the way you hope. Russia is a US adversary. It has been since the Bolshevik revolution 100 years ago. They have worked throughout that century to undermine our democratic processes. The unique aspect of our current situation is that it now has an ally in the Democratic party and its last presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton. Hillary and the DNC, furious at Donald Trump for his curiosity about Hillary's deleted 30,000 emails, was likely the impetus driving Hillary and the DNC to collude with Russia in their constant attempts to undermine the confidence of the American people in our democracy. Hillary's loss to Donald Trump has so unhinged Democrats and supporters of Hillary Clinton, that they will do anything to undermine a legitimately elected president. Hence the Mueller investigation which at its core is the golden shower dossier. A dossier which paid Russian operatives in an act of collusion between Russia and Hillary & the DNC. By the way the quid pro quo payments to Russia by Hillary & the DNC move this beyond collusion in into the realm of a criminal conspiracy. Still no comment from you on the quid pro quo payments. Why no outrage from you regarding this collusion between Russia and Hillary & the DNC? I seriously doubt Russia spent 9 million dollars for all the things you mention above. it just shows that Russia, in its goal to undermine our democracy, has always been good at exploiting useful idiots.

Here you go. No Republican candidate paid Fusion GPS anything. So your wishful thinking was getting a bit ahead of itself. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/washington-free-beacon-fusion-gps/index.html It was not a donor to the Clinton campaign that contracted Fusion GPS, it was the Clinton campaign itself and the DNC. You are suggesting that the same guy, Christopher Steele, was working for Fusion GPS when contracted by both the Washington Free Beacon and Hillary Clinton/DNC. The foreign spy, Christopher Steel was only employed by Fusion GPS while under contract by Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Facts matter. Why no direct comment from you regarding the quid pro quo Russian collusion between Hillary Clinton and the DNC? When are you going to start approaching this situation like a patriot?

Well at least we can agree on something.

Thank you for pointing out why Hillary Clinton lost the election. Oh by the way you didn't mention accusations against Hillary Clinton for covering up a rape by her husband. Everything you mention however has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton and the DNC paying over 9 million dollars to create the golden shower dossier where part of that money was used to pay Russian operatives to fabricate slanderous information about a US presidential candidate and then use that slander to undermine the President after he fairly won the election. Maybe that 9 million dollars would have been better spent on her campaign in Michigan and Wisconsin. We now have quid pro quo facts to prove Russian collusion which you, iNow and others are choosing to dismiss. Sure Hillary is denying any knowledge of the 6 million she paid for the golden shower dossier. Maybe she should look for her Fusion GPS billing records in her piano.

Fusion GPS is an political opposition research company. As such Fusion GPS has many clients. For example Fusion GPS has had Russian clients. Does this mean that all of these clients are somehow associated with each other in any way? Of course not. Does this mean the goals of these separate clients are identical or even related? Of course not. Did Fusion GPS have a Republican client (not currently identified as a primary presidential candidate)? As reported, Yes. Did that Republican client stop paying Fusion GPS after the Republican primary was resolved? Yes. Was Christopher Steele, a foreign spy, contracted by Fusion GPS during it's employ by it's Republican client? No. Did HIllary Clinton and the DNC hire Fusion GPS for opposition research on Donald Trump after the termination of Fusion GPS's contract with it's Republican client? Yes. Did Fusion GPS hire Christopher Steele as part of its contract with Hillary Clinton and the DNC? Yes. So why are you, Hillary Clinton, the DNC and many in the media attempting to claim that any Republican had anything to do with Christopher Steele and the golden shower dossier? The facts show there is no connection between any Republican and the golden shower dossier. This fact was reported by the Washington Post. Hillary and the DNC paid for the hiring of Christopher Steele through Fusion GPS. Suggesting otherwise is either a misunderstanding on your part or an intentional lie. Also interesting is that Christopher Steele paid Russian operatives for the information in the golden shower dossier. Who's money did Christopher Steele use to make these payments to Russian operatives? Hillary Clinton's campaign money and money from the DNC. Are you starting to see the equivalence now? Doesn't it bother you that Hillary Clinton and the DNC were paying Russian operatives to slander a candidate for President and then to undermine his presidency after winning the election? Imagine the tables were turned in this situation. How would you, Hillary, the DNC and the media be reacting? In case you didn't notice, that was a rhetorical question. How are Hillary and the DNC currently reacting. This image sums it up well.

Slowly the facts come out. http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/25/top-10-things-to-know-about-dossier/ I won't bother with quotes because the entire article would have to be quoted. Here is another great piece from the NY post. http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/how-team-hillary-played-the-press-for-fools-on-russia/

I guess I just needed to be a little more patient. http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/why-doesnt-hillarys-dossier-trick-count-as-treason/ More http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5016865/A-YEAR-Clinton-lies-dirty-dossier-exposed.html http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/clintons-collusion-who-will-investigate-the-new-russia-scandal/

Check with regard to the golden shower dossier. Ever hear of Uranium One? The foreign spy, Christopher Steele, who put together the dossier was hired after the GOP stopped funding Fusion GPS. So no, not the same thing. Two customers with different but similar goals. Yes, and it appears that Hillary Clinton, and the DNC were major players in the meddle.

A short while back I recall quite a hullabaloo about Donald Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton. The meeting turned out to be about a different topic and nothing became of it. News stories at the time assured us all that Don Jr would soon be heading to prison for collusion with a foreign power to influence the US election. Somehow Don Jr. is still walking around free. Today I’m reading about how Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid a lawyer to hire Fusion GPS which hired a foreign spy to collect uncorroborated intelligence (aka smears) from Russian sources on Donald Trump to influence the US election. Let’s call that uncorroborated intelligence the golden shower dossier. The golden shower dossier was provided to all major news media in the US prior to the election. They did not print it because it could not be corroborated. Surprise, news organizations have ethics The golden shower dossier was given to the FBI who briefed it to Donald Trump just prior to the election which was then promptly leaked to the media. The golden shower dossier was used to acquire a FISA order against Carter Page. The golden shower dossier was used as an excuse to unmask US citizens in intelligence reports. The golden shower dossier was then used by the FBI to bolster the ongoing special prosecutor Russia-Trump investigation. Finally the FBI considered continuing funding of the foreign spy to keep finding smears against Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton's political opponent. I’m wondering why there is no media or public outrage about collusion with Russia regarding the golden shower dossier. If Don Jr. was sure to go to prison for attending a meeting with a Russian lawyer in the hopes of getting dirt on Hillary which turned into nothing, why no talk of Hillary and DNC officials going to prison over the golden shower dossier which is still uncorroborated and has certainly been a big something? What am I missing?

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I have been quite busy today and have not had time to comment, but I thought this topic was about Harvey Weinstein, the conspiracy of silence that permitted Harvey's sexual harassment and abuse of women to continue, particularly the hypocrisy of famous feminist actresses who remained silent after personally experiencing Harvey's abuse, and sexual harassment and abuse of women in the entertainment industry including television news agencies. I think that is enough for one topic. It was not my intention to have a general topic of workplace discrimination. If you want to talk about that open your own topic Now let's stay on topic. As I have said before, who cares about administrators warnings, or reputation points. Personally I enjoy both when directed against me. In fact I'm going for the record on negative reputation points. I laugh every time I get another one. As a minority conservative on this blog, negative reputation points and moderator admonishment is what I expect. It doesn't bother me a bit. Tar and Lord Antares simply need to grow a thicker skin and quit crying about the bullying of the majority. You choose to play in this sandlot. Now let's get back to the topic I opened.

This one is really outrageous. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/19/new-calls-for-nbc-exec-to-resign-after-revelation-dined-with-sex-creep-harvey-weinstein-before-spiking-expose.html I wonder what Rachel Maddow will have to say about this? So much for the moral authority of NBC News.

Some of the abused are coming around. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/entertainment/reese-witherspoon-america-ferrera-assaults/index.html Having shame for your action or inaction is something we all experience from time to time. It's how we grow and improve.

I believe your position to be untenable. You seem to be saying that women will not, and perhaps should not, come forward with accusations of sexual harassment or abuse until there is no chance of retaliation. In my opinion that means women will never come forward and harassment and abuse will continue. My position is clear. When women are sexually harassed or abused they should make clear accusations including naming names. Women should be believed and investigations should be made. There should be no retaliation. In fact retaliation is no different than harassment and should be treated identically. Those found to have harassed should be punished including termination and when proper criminal prosecution. Women who do not come forward should be shamed for allowing women after there experience to be sexually harassed and abused. Without these steps sexual harassment and abuse will continue. I'm not quite sure what the point of you capitalizing the word AFTER. My comments on Ashley Judd were made in the opener. All of my comments in this topic have been AFTER my post on Ashley Judd. Ashley Judd is a prime example of a person that should be shamed for not speaking out sooner. Why worry about neg reps. I'm sure it's obvious that I don't. Why not start a topic on what constitutes sexual abuse. It would be wild free for all. For example, one question could be if a woman willfully chooses to have intercourse with a man and then later, after a break up, believes the man misrepresented his relationship intentions for sex, is that rape?

You are forgetting. You previously posted the following I replied as follows.

Who is being obtuse? I made a comment that all people have a measure of vanity. I then made a self depreciating comment to prove that this is true about myself. You then implied that since you are not concerned about going bald my view of the world isn't universal. You then admitted to being vain, proving my point. So, please explain oh wise one the depths of your wit and understanding to this dense mortal. No, you are obviously not capable. What, is it the vibe of the thing?

Perhaps you should go read all my posts in this topic because nothing you have written above applies to what I have written. Please provide quotes of my posts to prove that I'm wrong. With regard to your study, it seems that things just keep getting worse and worse for women and yet this topic has been front and center throughout my 30 plus year career. So do you think that older people are becoming more abusive, or do the young have not respect for women? I said all people have a measure of vanity. you just agreed with me. That's not an opinion, its a fact.

If it's not one thing it's another. I have read many of your post and believe me you are as vain as the next person.

Well I refuse to let jerks mess up my normal, polite, well mannered coexistence with others. Particularly members of the opposite sex. I'm glad professional conduct standard exist for low lives, but I was raised to behave properly. Like most, these conduct rules and harassment training classes are a waste of time. I'm also tired of being painted with the same brush as sexist a-holes.

Well personally I'm an equal opportunity when it comes to complements. Those I report to, those that report to me, those in other groups with which I work. I'm polite and good intentioned. I believe it shows so people take it that way. All human beings have a measure of vanity. That's why, trust me on this, it's no fun going bald. Complements are an affirmation intended to boost confidence of the intended listener. As I said, they are a kindness. The fact that we live in a society where they are considered otherwise is outré. Next thing you know people will start being offend by words like please, thank you and you're welcome. For example, It has been my experience that for most women a radical change in their hair style takes courage. It takes no effort on my part to say "I like what you did with your hair." I have never met a woman that did not appreciate such a comment. Also, when I wear a suit to work because I'm giving a presentation to customers and my superiors, I appreciate it if anyone, but particularly a woman, complements my appearance. It gives me confidence that my presentation will go off well or at least better.