Mike Smith Cosmos

The last few days have seen the UK UNDER SNOW . This has resulted in birds in my garden, that usually flit about the garden and sort of recognise me and call a chirp . Hoping I will put the odd crust out . 

If I do ( put a crust out ) , sometime during the day , maybe after I have gone , they can be seen , or not seen , to swoop down a grab the odd piece . 

During this heavy snow , they are behaving " speeded up " but also the HYRACHY  ISSUE  has raised its head again , but in a different way . 

This time , there is an earnestness among the different bird types . ( ranging mainly in four types ( THRUSH, BLACKBIRD , ROBIN , AND TIT ) .

This appears to be in Size - Strength order , namely a HYRACHY again. This within the same animal type , namely bird . 

I placed the bread crumbs on a plate , outside the kitchen , on a raised flower bed, now completely covered with settled snow 6 inches thick . 

Without let up they came in , "in hyrachy order"  , namely the big thrush would hold the snatching first , blackbird second , Robin if there was one about then Tit. 

This moved me to say out loud , though indoors observing 

" Big birds ' see off ' or ' chase away ' smaller birds from the food . 

Though possibly thought of as ' of as ' obvious ' , I think this harbours another HYRACHY .

THE STRONG AND MIGHTY DOMINATE THE SMALLER IN A HYRACHY  ! 

Mike 

On 19 December 2017 at 1:12 PM, Juno said:

Mike, is this what you were watching?

https://www.channel4.com/news/pentagon-admits-secret-ufo-investigations

Because I've just watched it a couple of times, and as far as I can tell the only "disclosure" in the whole story is that the Pentagon, for the period 2007 to 2012, had a division which was investigating UFOs.  An interesting story from a political point of view, perhaps, but nothing more (particularly when, as the piece points out, the UK government has never hid the fact that they ran their own such investigations).  No actual revelations of what might have been found during such investigations (and given that the division was disbanded five years ago, it seems unlikely they found much of interest).  The rest of the four minute piece is background and filler.  Unless you were watching a different story?

I must apologise profusely for not replying earlier! 

I have been rather SWAMPED this approach to Christmastime. Everything seems to have come at once. 

I have looked but appear to have lost the reference I was given . However , it is a friend of mine in Cornwall who gave it to me , and I hope to be able to contact him in a period over Christmas ( if I am lucky ) , . I will re ask him for the contact , which I have lost . ( currently swamped by too much information...). It was four ' forces ' men , who had witnessed the contact. They were testifying ,under oath , to some form of DISCLOSURE  PANEL .  I will need to examine this Data , as the little I read , seem to show a change of attitude by the authorities . Admitting to the likelihood of extra terrestrial intelligent life. ,! 

mike 

On 19 December 2017 at 2:39 PM, DrP said:

Also - even if there IS alien life from another planet  -  how is that related to "hierarchy of human life"? a - they won't be human. b- who decides who is higher up in this nominal imagined hierarchy anyway?

Conclusion - their is no hierarchy of human life in the western world. In India however you have a class system which is strictly adhered too....  where depending on your parents lineage you are allowed to do certain types and classes of jobs. That is a hierarchy....  but it is constructed/imagined/invented by man.

 

 

I think my original question , was more posed around ' intelligent life' ! 

As I was originally driven toward this idea while gazing at my responsive goldfish in the garden pond. Here I noticed that they were taking ' what appeared to me ' an interest in me , albeit, fairly distant. Yet I was interpreting is as some form of relationship which I felt stimulated by. 

It was at this time, I wondered if  ' we ' , as the human species were being viewed by some higher life form in a similar ' ranking arrangement' . This I thought of as a  

'   Hierarchy ' , and posed the question , " is there a HIERACHY, of which we are in the ranking , and can we gain any insite into how a level Higher up the Hierarchy may be considering US ? 

The Recent DISCLOSURES,  commented on by the authorities , concerning individuals observations of strange , near earth , unidentified flying craft , have for quite some time made some reference to possible observation from life beyond Earth. 

A colleague , near where I live , got hold of this ' new to me ' , DISCLOSURE . It would appear authorities have taken visual evidence under oath by qualified personnel. 

At the moment , that is all I know . I am surrounded by many persons demanding the  Christmas preparation jobs. 

It would appear that the consensus of much of the scientific community, with the knowledge of the vastness of the Universe that intelligent life is inevitable . 

Mike 

Have disclosed ! 

I must admit I have not waded my way through it all. As like you at the time ' groaned ' and said I have heard all this before without satisfaction . 

But tonight when I heard it on headline news , and the government saying " it is time to release what disclosures we have been given " 

Well it's time for a thorough investigation ? Is it not ? 

" DISCLOSURE  " is the search word ! 

Mike 

ps I managed to pick up tonight from the Television , that one of the reasons for disclosure now , was to do with speculation from other scientific disciplines coming to conclusions about life generally ,throughout the Universe. It seems we are naturally getting focused on ' mankinds place ' in the universe , as many sciences are considering the ' Earth ' as a whole . And if there is anyone out there observing ' (US) . They too will be concerned about our use of the Whole Earth ? 

2 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

It will be interesting to see that, but if I had a dollar for every time that headline has been posted but with no real substance I'd be rich... 

That is what I thought when I was first told a week ago !

But now it was on CHANNEL 4  tonight , with pictures of the contributing Governmental Buildings , like the Pentigon, the Air Force , etc 

Apparently the time is now fitting for Total Disclosure .

Under oath . 

Mike 

On 3 November 2017 at 1:13 AM, Moontanman said:

Good to see you back Mike! 

Well thank you ! 

The last few days have seen some interesting "Evidence" , relating to higher up the Hyrachy, and evidence thereof . 

Tonight on British  TV.  CHANNEL 4  NEWS at approx 6:30 Pm a news item appeared where it was stated that Government Departments in both the United States and UK . Have 'sat on ' information  pertaining to unexplained visitations and appearances of life forms from Other parts of the Universe. These Departments feel it is now time to release this information. 

Similarly a further set of ' Disclosures ' is now available for viewing  on the Internet . ( these are under a category called DISCLOSURES , here 4 military men are questioned under oath ) 

How these fit in the Hyrachy that I was postulating , remains to be seen . But here is clean , clear , evidence of EXTRA TERRESTRIAL LIFE . 

So surely this must be supportive of evidence for :-

the principle of higher HYRACHY.? / HYRACHY ( whatever or whoever this is )

mike 

Ref :- Tonight on British  TV.  CHANNEL 4  NEWS at approx 6:30 Pm  ( Sunday 17th December 2017)

On 31 July 2017 at 9:32 PM, Damateur said:

You're welcome. The series of self-portraits is an excellent example of art in science as well as being both enlightening and disturbing.

They are very enlightening! As are different methods of representation, when using Art to communicate " Feelings " .

I have taken a great deal of interest recently into the Science of Using ART to communicate " Human Feelings " . 

Here are two recent attempts by myself , to communicate " Human Feelings " by Art 

using the medium of PASTELS ( a chalk like texture colour crayon) .

firstly an image I caught the other day in DEVON (uk ) where a number of

traveling " bikers " had arrived in Totnes . As I gazed across the square from a Cafe my eye caught site of this gleaming Triumph Motorcycle. Having been a motorcyclist up through my life since student days I was attracted to it! Having photographed it , I returned home and committed it to paper using " Pastels " .trying to capture the engineering detail I was enraptured with most of my life . 

The second image is a further Pastel drawing , this time generated in the mind , by imagination . Here showing a completely different " effect  and Feeling " . That of mystery and beauty . 

A backlit cliff of some sort with blended edges. Again a quickly sketched ( this time idea ) , of feeling . 

Mike 

34 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Everything (electron, positron, photon, proton, neutron, neutrino, antineutrino) is tiny bit needed..

f.e. without neutrons atoms would have different mass, different recoil effect, different melting/boiling points,

with significant absence of neutrons, atoms would be extremely radioactive, and decaying via positron emission (aka beta decay plus).

Positrons play significant role in the first stage of fusion in stars. Neutrinos take a bit of energy from them.

Yes, I am probably painting too simple a picture of the early universe. 

With all the recent development of ideas with sub atomic particle , Higgs Bosons etc , it is not as easy the THINK  of the Early Universe any more . 

I was trying to paint the picture of the Early Universe up to 300,000 years , where the recombination event drew in electrons to the protons to form Hydrogen Atoms and a great escape of Photons ( light )  . 

Mike 

https://home.cern/about/physics/early-universe

28 minutes ago, Silvestru said:

citation needed. I'm pretty sure that the electron is not a "photon of energy".

Photon already carries energy.   

Well,  I am pretty sure , that near  the " First Cause of Matter " , was ENERGY , at the beginning of the Universe . 

Also that very early on in the Expansion of the Universe were

PROTONS,   ELECTRONS , and a plasma of PHOTONS. 

Quotation :- CERN 

https://home.cern/about/physics/early-universe

mike 

In their Book " Life on the Edge " , 

Jim  Al-Khalili and Johnjoe  McFadden , show how now ELECTRONS  & PHOTONS , together with QUANTUM  Phenomenon , need to be included ,if we are to make headway in our understanding of LIVING THINGS , both in living green plants and indeed in ...... HUMANS  and ANIMALS .

Mike 

ref ...   ' LIFE on the EDGE ' , 

'The coming of Age of Quantum Biology '

Jim Al-Khalili and John McFadden 

ISBN 978-0-552-77807-7 

Electronic engineers see the Electron as an Electrical Phenomenon . Physicists , as a Photon of Energy , NOW  , Biologists as a Key Quantum function  in living cells ! 

Here is a bit more , continuing . Sorry I am in bed, with a sick dog and a bit cramped . 

If its not clear enough to read , I will send it again in " daylight " ,

plus the last page , that I have not sent yet ! 

mike 

If it is of any help ! 

This weeks New Scientist , ( 4th November  2017 ) lead article is: BEFORE THE BEGINNING 

here is discussed the action of " reading the genetic code contained in the DNA  and its function in constructing Proteins, as CELLULAR ROBOTS , building the " stuff " that makes cells tick . 

Ref :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosome

 Bob Holms . Edmonton Canada .

Mike 

WOW  ! 

The last time we cansidered this subject : the HURRICANES were just about to hit the Carribean . 

All I can say is Wow ! 

Attempting to get back on subject , :- 

I looked up some of the references suggested in GOOGLE SCHOLAR. 

Many of them linked the various supernatural overloads in any possible Heavens above , with their respective followers on The surface of the Earth .

I believe this is what I was attempting but in a very generalised approach , in the foregoing thread .

I have had quite a personal traumatic time during this summer while visiting Italy , where I often spend summer time . I am barely recovering , and have only today , managed to post on this Forum . 

The world appears to have greatly CHANGED, while I have been away.  There is a strange ' air ' about the world . It seems to be in some form of strange TURMOIL . People are killing one another ALL over the place !  

What is happening ?

Mike  

10 hours ago, Area54 said:

You see a single, biased, example of crowding. On the internet, via GoogleScholar and other sources, you have a wealth of evidence that is easily viewed, checked, measured and described covering crowding at large. Why won't you get of your fat ass and, over the course of two or three days, validate or refute that particular hypothesis? What are you afraid of? Why, instead of investing time in that, do you keep recycling the same old tired assertions? I have no right to insist that you give me a straight answer, nevertheless, for your own self respect, would you please give me one. Why won't you conduct the simple literature research I have proposed?

I do understand what you are saying . I have been through university twice in my life . Once in the 1960's, and again in the 1990's . Both university projects required the searches of the style you describe , accept the Internet was not in full swing in those times . However searches could be performed via other methods. 

You asked why I had not done what you say . ( I do wish you would stop using , this "getting up from sitting a.." .I find it offensive . Thank you ! )  The answer I give, is :- that on other threads , I have contributed to, I often quote Wikipedia and other references that suite the project. But , I do like ,

MAKING OBSERVATIONS , ....THINKING ABOUT THINGS ... COMING UP WITH PROPOSITIONS . ( I will usually then search to see how I compare with how others think ) 

However , this thread seemed to Shoot off fairly rapidly  on a very sensitive and controversial subject , and demonstrably . So I will only get round to extensive searching , a bit further down the line. Perhaps after all this emergency  and news of Cyclones gets over . Although it does seen a bit devastating . 

And I must acknowledge your proposed literature search sounds excellent . I must find a way of getting my status renewed , I can not keep up with all this down sliding of status numbers. It took a long time to build up ,over years . I will just pack up , if this sort of behaviour continues , I find it too offensive and stressful. 

Mike 

2 hours ago, Area54 said:

.....

....presenting the evidence and reasoning in regard to the principle of crowding ..........  ....

My proposed way forward with this discussion , was to leave the most difficult aspect of this project until last .   Why ? It's there , but it's not straight forward to see and interpret! 

Because the first two out of three layers of the  Hierarchy  , namely Gold Fish  and Mankind , deal with evidence we can easily view , check up , measure and describe . We can see ' crowding in its simplest form .

1) '  Right there in my pool or anybody else's pool looked at over a reasonable period of time ( say 6 months to a year ) . No doubt nearly anyone can remember this from looking in aquariums. However I do think a careful study over a period I mention , would help get a real grasp of the day to day activity of these fish . 

2 ) I hardly need describe the various ways, which mankind can be seen , crowding , throughout their human history . Whether that be for assistance in day to day working life , or recreationally in dancing or listening to music . Similarly history shows how families, tribes , villages, towns, regions, countries ALL demonstrate an urge to ( Crowd) .

3 ) this section is the one we have to cross the invisible barrier . We can try and look for evidence of Crowds , by looking for the EFFECTS  ON EARTH  OF CROWDING GOING INTO ACTION , IN THE INVISIBLE RELM. What we mean by this , is .ARE there indications from whatever means that multiple beings are involved with the effect that we are aware of ON EARTH . The main evidence for this can be found in the history of the individuals , tribes and nations that came to live over the thousands of years of Human Histories, that are representative of the Invisible beings , founding and perpetuating the base civilisations . Artifacts , stone inscriptions , scrolls , wood work , metal  works , clay pots , paper , stories handed down . The last 6000 years of history is well documented . This is the period of evidence of activity of interest to earth based humans with Spiritual Beings Crowded for the purpose of overseeing the establishment of Mankind . History totally documents and covers this 6000 YEAR  PERIOD . 

Many ,many ancient buildings ,over this period carry some form of representation, of a spirit being . The representation may well be , and I would say definitely is , often completely a wrong picture of the spiritual realm , however it is likely some form of influence has been going on . Museums are full of artefacts , ancient religious buildings , objects unearthed by archeology all have hints of CROWDING IN SPIRIT WORLD . . It is only the last century that has seen an horrific decline in spiritual thought and the rise of Atheism. Hense many modern public building paint a different secular picture.. It's all there though in books , manuscripts , tablets , ancient buildings , if there are any left in the Middle East . History has the reflection of crowding going on in the spirit world .. 

I think this link , between the spirit word and the earth world was intended thus . 

MIKEbb

Everybody has the right to ask there own questions and get there own answers .

I included mine on the original thread that Tar and I used to do experiments at either side of the Atlantic at the same GMT . 

And the results were published on this forum . 

I have chosen not to hide my belief that a higher tier of life exists above that of humans . However THIS THREAD  is an attempt to produce an observation which can penetrate that region of a 'higher than man '  being.

In order to lay down a structure for this experiment , I set up the HIERARCHY in principle , hoping to work from " bottom " to " top " . Unfortunately I seem to have used up my points , going from bottom [ gold fish ]  to middle [man], never having a chance to reach top [ spirit beings including God]. 

( now I have used up all my credibility reflected in status score being dessimated) 

It looks like I am unable to present the all important ,  evidence , reasoning , further development , utilising the principle of CROWDING amongst other things ,With this climatic  section ( HIERARCHY of  GOD and SPIRIT BEINGS ) . 

at the   [ spirit beings including God]. Stage of the project . That is unless someone , somewhere , can adjust my status up to cover losses unnecessarily imposed , as I discuss the desperately hated subject of GOD , SPIRITS, ALIENS or the like  . ( I must have had -10  to -15 ) shredded off me , even WITH some 'kind souls ' bolstering me throughout this process. 

PS  . I SEEM TO HAVE GOT THE WRONG INTERPRETATION OF THE SPELL CHECKER . IT SEEMED TO BE THROWING "  HEIRARCHY " at me constantly instead of  

" HIERARCHY"  the " " surrounding . 

Mike 

6 minutes ago, tar said:

DrKrettin,

Good point, hierarchy instead of heirachy.

Mike,

I have not yet, still, read the last 10 pages of the thread, so I may be questioning an inappropriate aspect of the thought, but two things come to mind.   One, crowding as in ant colonies and the like, usually result in a new entity emerging.   Like our governments or the internet, or universities, a bunch of fish get together and you have a school, or birds, a flock, and the V in the sky is not individual geese, but something else.  In this, in terms of hierarchy there is a bigger and better and more advanced or complete entity formed during the crowding.

Not supernatural. 

And secondly, if crowding is more prevalent as you go up the hierarchy why do you end up with God, in the singular?  Wouldn't it be more likely that a bevy of Angels would occur?

Regards, TAR

 

Well nobody has given any idea as to what God looks like . I think he/she/it is in every single Higgs boson across the entire Universe , in other words totally unrecognisable in any way we can think of it , other than the whole thing , the whole universe . 

As for your bevy of Angels , 

this is what is listed under images Angels 

mike 

I appreciate your thought about getting on with the research , that is what I have been doing for the last 25 years . I am not so sure I am going to find what I am looking for in a huge electronic dictionary . As that is the consensus of a majority of people who do not believe much in supernatural phenomenon . That's why I have tried to do the research myself on this very important subject , first hand . I admit like everybody else , turns to  Wikipedia for a lot of information . It was just on this one , at it is so important , I would go at it first hand . 

Like  I stood on a rock in the middle of the abandoned moor , one wet day . Turned my head to the sky , and asked ?  

IS THERE ANYBODY THERE ?  .?? 

All I can do is apologise for my spelling . I have had this all my 70 year odd life . Spell checkers catch most of it , but not allways. I only get a mental alert , when it does not look right ! ( so unless a spell checker does not alert me , I am stumped! ) 

blanket sorry ! 

Mike 

the only compensation I am able to offer is a vision into the Next HEIRACHY up . 

36 minutes ago, Itoero said:

Birds are above you, looking down!

That is true physically , and I must say they have a good capability , up there !

But I am sure you mean this ' Tongue in cheek .' 

it is this. HEIRACHY thing that I mean by ' up ' , namely the next rung up the. HEIRACHY , namely some form of ' Advanced Being ' or / and more to the point,

' Advanced Beings ' as this is certainly something that comes out of this study :- Namely " that CROWDING SEEMS TO INCREASE IN INTENSITY , THE FURTHER UP THE HEIRACHY ONE GOES "  

Here we are practically living with our I pads , I phones, computers across the globe , that's before we even look at the physical crowding we get at venues, or the mass crowding into countries, followings , regions of the world , etc 

So , if I am correct the next layer up in the HEIRACHY will be even more intense CROWDING !  Crowding that will make the World Wide Web look silly . Who knows ? But it really is worth investigation , scrutiny , and an OPEN MIND . 

Mike 

Surely , there must be somebody out there in the science community , that harbours an inner feeling and desire for " some intelligence , or rather an intelligent race other than human , out there in the vast universe ? 

Surely , I am not alone in this futuristic , truth seeking , desire for a bit more , peace and love , intelligence , beyond what we see all over the world . This , hate, carnage , killing , bullying , etc 

mike 

Evidence for crowding by goldfish ::::::::::: :::::::::::: previously given 

Evidence for crowding by Humans :::::::::: :::::::::::: previously given ( partly ) 

Evidence for crowding by Spirit realm :::::: ::::::::::: some , but more ( to follow ) 

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PS . THIS -2 DOWN VOTING IS QUITE REDICULOUS , THIS IS TURNING THIS FORUM INTO A ANCIENT ROMAN COLLOSIUM PUTTING HUMANS IN THE LIONS DEN . HOW STUPID IS THAT?

REMINISSENT OF BULLYING 

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mike 

I believe in the context that I am presenting this thread , the definition is fairly loose due to the nature of the issue!  Namely looking for evidence of beings above human . However I am saying that if some form of behaviour , can be seen to exist, with evidence. Then this would indeed represent some form of Heirachy. 

So to that end , I  considering the three levels to be ( not all creatures ) but specifically :- 

Spirit Beings 

Human Beings

Gold Fish Beings

ONLY

Taking one of the major attributes, of this PARTICULAR  Defined HEIRACHY. 

I am currently considering the desire and activity of CROWDING. 

Clearly as previously proved with evidence  GOLDFISH  can be seen to CROWD. 

Also HUMANS notoriously crowd. 

This current desire to communicate via the internet, is a current evidence of CROWD. 

So evidence CROWDING  from the Spirit realm would / should establish the HEIRACHY. . 

If that is proven , if only loosely , further investigation WOULD produce insight into the activity and nature of SPIRIT BEINGS. 

If only a start ! 

Mike

Area54 . You do not have to go . I am not sure where this discussion can go . 

Because there is a clear majority that are very , unfavourably , when the realm of the supernatural, spirits , Gods , and people from outer space are mentioned. ( those are likely the ones awarding me -1 , over and over . ) A little cowardly , they could at least say who they are and why they are awarding the -1 .  Because of this it makes it difficult to have an argument , almost pressurises one to , ' say what THEY want to hear ' rather than have a two sided debate, where one can try to win the arguement by reason and debate and evidence. ALSO it can put a fatal dampener on what could otherwise develope into a very interesting debate ? 

My point , that I was trying to find evidence for   .was . If there is this tendency to crowd , and it gets more intense OR  otherwise OR has a different style the further up the HEIRACHY we go . 

WE COULD JUST GET Some INDICATIONS , as to what some of the behaviour , is , and whether it should even exist , and to a possible increased ,or decreased Intensity ? 

These slight , evidential examples , could endorse , or show it is worth pursuing investigation . 

Mike 

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