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No one is suggesting they take back the Oscar because he did not win "fair and square". It is being considered because he struck another man, which is a violation of the Academy's Bylaws and Standards of Conduct, and California Law. Yes, reminds me of "very fine people on both sides".

Who suggested he didn't??? We can continue this discussion after you've actually read my posts.

I think the point is that it is not necessary that NO ONE be offended before we tell a joke. If our standard is that NO ONE be offended by our speech, then we'd all better stop talking altogether as someone somewhere will take offense no matter what we say. Well it's a good thing that's not what Chris Rock did then. I guess I should take offense at you referring to hair loss as a "disability".

As I said, "the punishment they have outlined." Your implication that joking about the death of a man's wife and a man's wife shaving her head due to hair loss are comparable, is hardly reasonable. I've wondered if their tumultuous relationship influenced his reaction.

I hope the academy follows their rules and metes out the punishment they have outlined. I don't think an apology should absolve Smith given the impact he had on the many people affected by what he did, including the award winners who had their hard-earned moment over shadowed by Smith's actions. Unless Chris Rock walked into the audience and smacked Will Smith I don't think "bad people on both sides" is an accurate depiction of events.

I happen to agree with you that the Chris Rock joke did not cross some red line. On the other hand, I can see why some do not like those types of jokes. But just like I stay away from horror movies, those who do not like that type of comedy are free to avoid venues where those jokes are told. And if you don't want people to talk about you in the news, or take pictures of you in public, or tell jokes at your expense during awards programs, then don't put yourself in the public eye. Celebrity is not a one way street where you get to decide how the public responds to you once you put yourself up for display. You are knowingly taking the risk that someone will publish an awkward picture of you eating a hamburger, or tell a joke about you that you don't care for. We all have a point at which we think a joke has gone too far, but unsurprisingly that point varies from person to person.

That's quite a stretch. They apologized for him being struck, which was unacceptable under any circumstances, and independent of the quality of the joke. I doubt the Oscars might have said, "Well, it was an offensive joke, so him striking you was acceptable to us."

I think Will's response speaks to whether or not he felt the joke was offensive. Not to mention his apology, where he stated "Jokes at my expense are a part of the job, but a joke about Jada's medical condition was too much for me to bear and I reacted emotionally,"

Precisely. Humor is in the eye of the beholder. I doubt Chris Rock thought he'd crossed a line, but he clearly didn't read his audience well enough to avoid a large reaction.

Popular science is generally simplified to make the concepts understandable to a non-scientific group of people. Often times it is simplified to the point where it is misleading, and given that popular science writers often don't understand the concepts well themselves, a lot of people end up with misconceptions. Many of the people on this site work or teach in science on a daily basis and love to share what they know. Ask all the questions you wish and tell us what you think. If you think someone here is wrong, it is usually best to ask them for clarification before you suggest they are mistaken. If you do suggest they are mistaken, do so while linking to outside sources that support your position. People here are never shy about telling each other when they've made a mistake. If it happens to you don't take it personally, as it is how people work to arrive at the best answer. Welcome aboard! 😄

That didn't help me understand why it should never be done; only why Chris Rock shouldn't have done this particular joke. I was watching a Modern Family episode and they made a joke about an adoptive 7 year old Asian daughter crashing her toy car, saying "we always knew there was a good chance she'd be a bad driver". A Saturday Night Live skit made fun of Trump's small hands. I'll have to pay more attention to check, but I'm not sure there are any comics or comedy shows that do not poke fun at one person/group or another. Can't say that I see many jokes like you describe here. Sounds like you are fighting an enemy that doesn't exist to any great degree.

No. I'd much rather we tease and joke around with each other. We laugh all the time and I like that. I'd much rather she joke about things I have no control over because, well, I have no control. If she jokes about something I have control over there is the chance I could feel bad that I didn't do better. But my toes? Go for it! Wasting energy on something I have no control over is not something I generally do. What I fail to grasp is how anyone can suggest these jokes are out of line, period, when so many people don't mind.

Is her joking about my toes different than joking about someone's hair?

But not everyone assumes the worst like you do. That is why I only specified that I hope YOU never sit in judgement of me.

You seem to have assumed the worst possible interpretation of what he said, and I see nothing to support your position. I hope you never sit in judgement of me.

This wasn't a roast, it was the Oscars. As such, all members of the Academy were participants. Including Jada.

My understanding is that she does shave her head as her hair has fallen out in clumps and she didn't like how it looked that way.

I don't think I'm making myself clear. I believe you are mistaken in your apparent belief that joking about others is necessarily "bullying", "debasing" and has a dark undertone. Some of us assume the joker has no evil intent and instead is just trying to make us laugh. It certainly makes my wife's jokes funnier when I don't get offended when she pokes fun at my short toes, or when I built something that was too big to fit through the basement door and I had to disassemble it. They always have an emcee. Usually a comedian.

And that is the way YOU feel about it. Not everyone does. I laugh at jokes made at my expense all the time and am happy people are comfortable enough around me to make those jokes. Go to a comedy club and you'll see that people really like cheap jokes. If you don't want people joking at your expense, or don't want people telling certain types of jokes around you, then by all means tell them and be happy with your decision to do so. But comedy at the expense of others is here to stay and accepted by enough of society that it is not going away. I certainly don't make jokes at people's expense if I suspect it may not go over with them too well, but I usually find most people enjoy that type of joking around.

Part of the issue is that you cannot gauge ahead of time how someone will react to a joke. If you've ever watched a "roast" you'll know that with some people there is absolutely no joke that will cause them distress, while others can be bent out of shape by the mildest of teasing. We have a cabin on a river that we allow the extended family to use whenever it is available. My nephew went with some friends and managed to burn down a (very old) smoke house, pig shed and outhouse. He felt devastated that he was responsible, but almost immediately jokes started being directed toward him when he was seen lighting a candle or doing anything else related to fire. He was greatly relieved as the joking indicated that the situation maybe wasn't such a big deal after all. A real possible outcome of Rock's joke was that Jada Pinkett Smith may have felt relieved that people weren't walking on eggshells around her, and were basically saying "hey, we don't care if you have alopecia and you shouldn't either!" I know we can't blame people for being what might be considered 'thin-skinned', but we also shouldn't blame people for trying to be funny and maybe falling short.

But it's alopecia, not lung cancer or schizophrenia. I have male pattern baldness and people have made jokes at my expense since it began in late high school. While bald jokes are kind of cheap and not really that funny (to me), I have never once gotten terribly upset or felt the need to strike someone. As @StringJunky noted, jokes are nearly always at the expense of someone. While Rock's joke may not have been that funny, he was doing what he was hired to do and what the audience wanted and expected of him. If Smith had not struck Rock, nearly no one would have given the joke a second thought. I believe Rock did nothing wrong and that Smith needs to gain better control over his impulses.

Q. What kind of Wood doesn't float? A. Natalie Wood Do I really deserve to be hit for that joke? Many people here tell worse jokes in the "Jokes" thread, or in any Trump thread, for that matter. Smith was, IMO, way out of line. I would expect a mature adult to be able to manage his impulses better.

You are in way over your head here and looking rather foolish. No offense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang Give it a break.

We haven't but we've been collecting the fiber, and my wife just bought a spinning wheel. We may also send some fiber off to have something made rather than doing it ourselves. They are also due for a shearing next month which is a fun event (for us, not the alpacas!). It is the little ones. And Radar, while being a trouble maker, is also a big baby. If I go out to the barn in a different coat it takes him 10 minutes to decide if it is safe to come in to the barn with me.