stevebtaylor

not so! the black hole and singularity are in and of this universe. there is no break down of the laws of physics, perhaps some shuffling and re-arrangements, but not a break down. here are two facts: mass when accelerated to relativisitic speeds turns to energy. amplified high energy waves' fields interefere with each other. the order of events in stellar colloapse shouldnt be in much doubt. en mass,(as in an imploding star that suddenly has its mass converted to energy), this is a calculatable situation and one that could easily, and i stress easily, could easily be tested.

in reality, an understanding of the properties of a singularity could lead to many advances in science and technology. for instance, if the singularity is composed of and formed by high-frequency waves that have been amplified and then interfered with (spatially contracted), then that sounds like a reproducable experiment. it couldnt be that hard to come up with... well, maybe the spatial contraction part. there is some info from electrical engineering that amplified high frequency waves will interfere with one another.

most models have the mass in the singularity and the event horizon as transmitting area, from the outside right to the center. wouldnt mass inbetween be incompatable?

are there any comments on the singularity being composed of bounded energy-fields?

a lot of work has been done. however, it seems that an infalling cloud whose opaqueness has slowed down the speed of light could use some help in getting up to relativistic speeds where another relativistic event, spacial contraction, can occur. why is the emission of gravitational waves viewed or calculated as a dissipation of energy? are the no grounds for adding it to the collapse, or at least getting half?

good one! do you have mass inside the event horizon, or are you refering to the singularity itself?

the infalling mass is accelerated to relativistic values where, proof exists, that mass turns into eenergy. on this proposal im goin with energy. the light i refer to is energy. an aside: just read the other day that initial studies indicate black hole size seems to be related to the mass in its environment- for globular clusters and galactic centers. this info came along just in time for me! particles from the cloud left in orbit that approach the black hole seem to be radiated as it approaches the event horizon, which is at relativistic velocity. it seems that the event horizon is a barrier.

this page will deal with the formation of black holes. your comments are welcome on the following points. perhaps youve seen pictures of black holes with swirling clouds orbiting around them? this would seem to indicte that during collapse (preferably during spatial contraction and because of it) only a certain amount of mass/energy is required for its formation, and no more. the saturation point is reached or satisfied, composed exclusively of packed in, scrunched-up light? remember the gravity-well illustration for black holes? previously it was considered as an inward-spiral to the center. now, however, it may be that it should be viewed as concentric rings, each one representing an energy level. maybe the only way to get past the event horizon is to be invited during spatial contraction. nothing can get in that wasnt included in the final conditions, and never will. the black hole can only deteriorate and thus contribute to its environment. the material would be frayed bits of field-bound lightwaves. the bound fields will have properties unlike normal stuff. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedthis field-bound light should have properties similar to dark matter. having been formed by spatial contraction, the binding energy would be greater than even high-energy and interaction with normal matter impeded by it being bound to itself.

there is no work being done in this area at all ( far as i know either). however, ive been over and over this stuff and am convinced that, to fit the definition, either gravitational or gravity waves are explicitly required in a mass-energy conversion. another related area would be crushing mass to energy with the objective of investigating black hole formation.

thanks for the tutorial. the triple point of light describes a singularity that is a stable form of energy. it has reached the saturation point of light. is this correct? > the spacial contraction event occurs at relativistic speed. all matter is converted to energy, the wave lengths are shifted to high energy. now, here i propose that the sine-waves of the energies are almost vertical and then, at spacial contraction, are pushed together where the energy is absorbed into forming bonds between the e-m fields. the energy goes into binding the fields together. now being vertical one spatial direction is lost as well as the time component, a local event. this is what the singularity should be composed of, bound energy with gravitational properties. would this be considered a form of matter?

thank you for the interest and corrections. a clarified version follows. gravity waves were predicted by einstein. there are gravitational waves and gravity waves. e=mc^2 is a mass to energy transformation equation. the singularity is a unique object formed under unique conditions. this proposes that the formation of the densest structure known requires the addition of all available energy sources to occur. gravity waves are defined, in part, as perturbations in a g-field. when an object changes its configuration, its g-field changes. the strongest waves come from massive objects changing configuration at high velocity. this is applied to the final collapse of a star to a singularity. i prefer to have all energies crush the matter to attain the final result. now, your contributions are welcome on this next bit. gravitational waves emitted would take energy away. a concession here would propose either that it is emitted multi-direction and so perhaps half would be added, or that the emission of a gravitational wave would initiate a gravity wave. this gravity wave would travel inward through the infalling cloud which has slowed down the speed of light and provide the trigger to spatial contraction. thus, g-waves, either type, would be an integral component in the formation of a singularity.

the quote attributed to einstein has been used in many instances by lots of people. the one refered to concerned the inevitability of g-waves.

gravitational-waves are derived from general relativity or special relativity.

gravity waves are not limited to just mass collapse. however if g waves arent used here how can they be used elsewhere? g waves are derived from E=mc^2 and indicate that they are required in the transformation of mass into energy. as for a singularity composed of energy, i will develop this line. for now though, the singularity is a stable form of energy, as is often required by nature

the formula requires a gravitational wave in the mass to energy transformation equation

gravitational waves, as predicted by Einstein, are an integral component and an "inescapable conclusion"of the mass to energy transformation equation, E=mc^2 As defined, gravitational waves are pertubations in a gravitational field. when an object changes its configuration, its gravitational field changes. the strongest waves come from massive objects changing configuration at high velocity. so, when mass is converted to energy a gravitational wave is produced. this would certainly apply to the collapse of a massive star to a singularity. (if a gravitational wave is not used in calculating this event, then it cant really be used anywhere else) in conclusion then, a gravity wave is the primary trigger for the collapse of a massive star to a singularity.

yes, it can be shown as a singularity. even in my model there would be some x component as it gets stacked up, leading to a thin 3 rd dimension. inside the event horizon but outside the singularity? as to time component, time becomes space? very interesting can you explain that a bit more

admitedly this is non-conventional view, however, in four-dimensional space-time the singularity is only reduced by the dimensions of length and time, leaving two dimensions, the y and z axis. in this model, the spatial contraction converts all the infalling mass to energy, energy densities that aquire gravitational properties (fifth state of matter?) squishes the high-energy wavelengths together to the point where the representative sine-waves (time=0) approach the vertical and absorb the energy into bonds with each other resulting in a 2-dimension so-called singularity, full of enegy in the bond but frozen in the singularity.

this scenario describes the final collapse of a star to a black hole, and also will ask some questions that i hope you can help me with. heres the short version: gravity wave triggers spatial contraction to singularity, a 2-dimensional object

hi, im steve. my favorites are gravity waves associated with singularity formation. the gandalf icon is a tribute to unknown mysteries sought after, my beard isnt that long