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The Peon

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  1. No. Allow me to explain again. In major cultures kissing is viewed as a greeting, and as a part of pre-copulation behavior. IE, most Spanish countries greet with a kiss on the cheek. Many countries used to greet ladies with a kiss on the hand. Italians kiss on the cheeks, etc. None of those examples are "loathed" by anyone within the culture, and is a much better example then looking at some amazon tribe. And if a pre-copulation kiss is forced on someone who doesnt wish to recieve it, I am sure it will be loathed, much like being raped is. But sex is not a learned behavior either is it? Lastly, look at the lips themselves. You carry on your face a mimic vagina. Thats right, the fleshly lips humans have are sexual signals. Sexual signals are used simply as that, as sex objects and sexual displays. Much like breasts are fondled and "kissed", vaginas can be "kissed," and penises stroked and "kissed," the lips are an important part of these sexual displays and should not be removed from the natural instinctual part of pre-copulation, something that is inherited. And lastly, I will quote a Biology expert, which I believe sums it up:
  2. You seem to be saying, that because SOME alterations of behavior can occur due to genes not setting said behaviors in stone, you can just toss out the effect of the genes all together. Otherwise you have not explained why kissing, smiling, frowning, crying, etc is cross cultural if its a learned behavior. Crying is the best example since it occurs way before other emotional traits are amplified. On your fifth point, we do share similar sexual interests, its just expressed in different manners. In case you were wondering, humans exhibit roughly 10 varients of sex, far more then most primates. They are: 1> Procreation Sex 2> Pair Formation Sex 3> Pair Maintenance Sex 4> Physiological Sex 5> Exploratory Sex 6> Self Rewarding Sex 7> Occupational Sex 8> Tranquilizing Sex 9> Commercial Sex 10> Status Sex We combine and amplify each through our lives depending on our needs and wants. I bring this up cause it is a clear indicator of the human animals ability to complexify the most trivial or the most important parts of our social lives. Kissing is one of those things we have complexified, and again, is cross-cultural. Just like laughter, crying, etc. To say kissing is learned and humans would not do it if not thought is false. Thus to me, its instinctual. I may be wrong but this actual subject was on my mind for a while and I did some research on it and that is why I am so adamant on my position that it is an instinctual quality, not hereditary.
  3. Every major, and most minor cultures kiss. Thats a good indicator that that kissing is instinctual part of pair-bonding, much like laughing, smiling, and frowning are instinctual and cross-cultural.
  4. Hello all. I have lurked these forums for a while now, and decided to register to start "voicing" my opinion in some debates. Looking forward to building with you all (some of you really need to limit the amount of time you spend here though )

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