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Thomas Kirby

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  1. I can be just as willfully difficult about this subject as anyone here can. What gets me about this is that too many people default to vengeful thinking, and that this vengeful thinking is directed at one very small subset of the abuse that children face every day. No possible solution is allowed in except those that involve a very narrow set of measures of just exactly how much revenge and control to apply to the situation. Even if someone gets to try a different program, someone else can give it a failing grade and have the program aborted over a single incident. "Jessica's Law" and "Megan's law" my ass. These things use singular cases to justify treating a whole class of people over the conduct of one or two. When you get down to singular cases, there is no more justice in smearing all pedophiles for it than there is in smearing all humans. It also works out that all humans get smeared. We all feel the threats. We all feel the increased anger, the increase of tension, the increase in nitpicking against everyone, the increased chance of false accusations. These things damage society. Since it is such an emotional issue, we set aside thoughts about what we are doing to ourselves at the time when we need to be the most vigilant about these things. There is only so much I am willing to do to myself over an issue like this. In a halfway sane world it would be adequate that I myself am not likely to have sex with anyone under the age of 30. It's not a fate I would wish on a sweet young thing. Not that I'm all that bad, she just deserves better. Anyway, if someone comes up and gives me jibber-jabber about child molestation and I belt him hard enough to send teeth flying, it's not because I have the slightest interest in anyone who is less than 30 years old. It is because I am tired of his garbage. I am tired of the emotional baggage I already have and I am not willing to carry any more or to multiply society's emotional problems. I am sick of the tricks that people use to get over on me. This includes anyone who wants to approach me and give me garbage about what I believe about the subject. On the street, if some semi-literate read one of my opinions and approached me, he would probably try to talk with his hands. Considering where I live, I wouldn't know unless he spoke coherently whether he was trying to start a fight or a mating ritual. In this part of the Twilight Zone, date rape is a valid and common method for a couple to conceive their first child. Hating perverts or suspected perverts is a game people play to cover up the forcible rape of their own daughters, which is often condoned or encouraged by the mother. Gang rape of males by males is proof of flaming heterosexuality, as long as it is done to "faggots." I have seen nothing to convince me that the rest of the world is any better. That's a little over the top, but this society in its treatment of child molesters (to use the vernacular term) acts a lot more like people who have something to hide than it acts like people who seek true justice, safe and worthwhile lives, rationality, or anything but the perpetuation of the cycle of violence. Considering what I've been through, I'm quite willing to yank all of those dirty secrets out into the open, all those things that people hit me to intimidate me into keeping my mouth shut about. It hurts them worse than my fists would, too.
  2. Depending on laws and draconian measures already has hurt us in the long run. I prefer that the acts remain illegal, but we can't depend on that. What's your problem?
  3. There is nothing like using an unprovable theory to prove something. If the theorist were not so highly respected it might even be called pseudoscience.
  4. They actually robbed refugees at gunpoint: Story There seem to be a chief of police and another police officer who need to spend a few years in jail. Armed robbery under color of law with aggravating circumstances.
  5. Flattery will get you everywhere.
  6. Actually, it does. Also, this is not crap and it is not incoherent. Try your kind of rhetoric on someone who is an idiot.
  7. You might think that. I don't. I am an adult survivor of child abuse. The focus on sex not only takes away from dealing with the abuse that I suffered, it exacerbates the kind of abuse that I suffered. I know this subject from the inside. A lot of the pain and loss that I suffered started with people pretending to suspect that I was a sort of pervert. As I explained in another thread, I was a "faggot." You tell me how a six year old person who doesn't even know what sex is can be a "faggot." This is different from being a homosexual. Instead, the individual is a caricature of a homosexual. The mask is forced onto him and fastened as securely as they know how. The nature of the weapon that was used to destroy me is such that I cannot trust anyone who uses it. For my own survival, for the survival of decency, I have to destroy that weapon if I can. It is a weapon that destroys the person it is aimed at and the person who uses it.
  8. Why am I working the slippery slope argument into this? Because when these people and this government see a slippery slope, they get snowboards and toboggans and tell everyone that this is the way up.
  9. It looks like I am not going to make any progress trying to inform people that all of their freedoms are at stake here. It's all right. Go back to sleep. Big Brother will take care of us. He'll get you that bottled water in 7 days, even if it does take only 3 days to die of thirst.
  10. Nope. Jessica's law requires convicted sex offenders to wear tracking devices at all times after being released from prison. It doesn't even consist of a law against rape or sexual injury. It applies to those who are convicted of, and so on. This is one of the things that hacks me off. Just because I support one thing does not mean that I HAVE to support another thing that you think goes with it. There are broader issues about both the labelling and monitoring requirements that you want. People will essentually force me to give up most of my freedoms in order to make it seem easier to deal with the problem of child molestation. They will also force me to give up rational thought and decency. They will wrongly label me for holding a different opinion, too. Depending on laws and draconian measures to prevent child molestation will only hurt us in the long run, the short run, or anything in between.
  11. "Nubile" means "marriagable" and "old enough to breed." Not ready for sexual encounters? Who is? I have a warning here. The side that is able to maintain rationality the best is the side that is going to get what it wants eventually. The people who orchestrated the McMartin preschool case badly took down the credibility of law enforcement efforts against child molestation, and the effectiveness. The thing that most needs to be done to remove the credibility of legislation against child molesters is what is being done right now in the name of the children. Decent people who have their feet on the ground, who think with their brains don't participate in witch-hunts. Even if the ends are just, the means can drive decent people away from a program. Keep hurting decent people and they will shut you down. I got tired of being hurt, bullied, and lied to early. Some people will put up with it forever. I won't.
  12. It isn't particularly extreme for a child to refuse to do something "gross." That taxes anyone's obedience. Total easy compliance is a myth, but when it's "gross" it's like trying to make them take uncoated aspirin. In spite of Doctor Pangloss's spin here, I am all for laws that say you aren't allowed to rape or sexually injure prepubescent children. Why anyone thinks it has to be outlawed for most people, I don't know. It seems to me to take something wrong with someone before they will do it, something a little bit beyond "perversion." There is nothing sexy about small children. Understanding it may give us the power to overcome it. Fighting it the way the fighting is being done seems to exacerbate the problem, or at least it increases the unthinking hysteria. I'm not even sure that there is that much of a problem when you cut out the hoo-hah. There is so little real information from the haters that you don't know what the devil is actually going on anyway. Dishonest people keep secrets. Dishonest people divert honest inquiries. There is something there that someone doesn't want us to know, and that someone doesn't want us to do. You tell me what the something is that inspires a mother to threaten her child with death and to make him believe that she will kill him. This puts no act of sheer domineering madness past or beneath that person. I think most of it is the addiction to violence, an addiction that is contagious. A lot of people promote agendas that are without understanding, and that even destroy knowledge and understanding. It's too bad that this is one of them, because we need all of our faculties to deal with raising the next generation. I know too many people who have volunteered for a living death and slow suicide over trying to live their lives because of the way they were raised. Or maybe it wasn't voluntary. There is a lot of programmed behavior involved. There is a lot of conditioning that makes people feel that they cannot ever do anything with their lives. Anti-sexuality agendas are a huge part of why they are this way. Being treated as if you are some sort of sexual deviant is a very depressing experience. That's why people still use the term "faggot" to bully others. Sex sells.
  13. Pangloss, you asked a very specific question for a very specific reason, and I knew you were going to act this way about the answer. You're the one who spins, on several different subject. You accuse me and others of doing that to try to divert attention from your own spin. You asked if I favor sexual predator laws. The answer is that I don't. When you say that this means that I favor legalization of sex with four-year-old people, you insult my intelligence, your intelligence, and that of the audience. I also think that you are deliberately being dishonest. The truth is that America was quite capable of heavily punishing pedophiles long before the godlost term "sexual predator" was coined. I object to the term because it is a buzzword that, as has become all too clear the last few years, helps people turn off the cognitive functions of their brains and unleash mindless fury against any target. This wouldn't be good even if people could stay with the appropriate targets, which they can't. These days you're a pedophile if you wipe from back to front instead of from front to back. If you actually believe that most 4 year old people do exactly what any adult tells them, you don't know children. This is one of the reasons I don't believe the rhetoric. Thinking that children are that obedient borders on the asinine. Pushing that belief on someone else is deliberately trying to get over on them. But you get to do that because it is "for the children"? There seems to be nothing too stupid for people to do "for the children" and they still think it isn't stupid.
  14. Mildly disgusting. Of course, if I mind my own business, I won't react to it, will I? I'm all in favor of minding my own business. The punishment for poking my nose into other people's business is that I have my nose in other people's business and I know what they are doing. Knowing what they are doing has never been to my liking.
  15. That's pretty much it, j_p. The "Lock 'n Load" solution is off my list of solutions to anything, which is just as well. I don't know which part is worse, and many parts are related. It may because it's uncreative. It forces all solutions to the worst possible, and it makes the problem appear worse than it is, since when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. It's the lowest common denominator solution and encourages lowest common demoninator behavior. It makes people into morons. I don't want to be a moron, I'm already stupid enough. It's also because pedophiles and the people who hate pedophiles and most of sexuality are part of the same problem. Pedophiles are a poor solution to the people who hate sexuality. They generate problems and poorly solve the ones they do solve. The people who hate sexuality are no solution to anything. They generate problems and solve none. This is the problem with a false dichotomy. There are people who strip away a child's sense of decency and wonder, who damage their sexuality by driving them mad with physical and emotional pain. They are not much different from people who hurt children by having sex with them. They are both driven to extremes that involve very much the same imagery. The latter, oops, the first, "non-sexual" (edit) group is worse because they never leave you alone. They never achieve satisfaction, just like anyone who keeps at the sex act and cannot achieve orgasm, may everyone pardon me for being that explicit. They can't stop. We should be concerned with the causes. The domineering group that usually does not have sex with children causes the group that does have sex with children. That's not all they do, but they definitely do this. The very group that hates them so much brings them into existence. A lot of them do it unconsciously, but like a FEMA member turning back vitally needed aid from New Orleans, they do it nonetheless.
  16. Children are caught between people who "sexually abuse" them and are otherwise not violent, and people who allegedly don't "sexually abuse" them but are violent and do things that are mentally damaging. The Wikipedia link from the beginning of this thread included a hand-waving dismissal of the fact that a lot of the psychological damage is caused after the fact by parents, therapists, and the legal process. If I go to someone and ask them how they feel about what happened to them, do I get their feelings or the feelings that were forced on them by a third party? Personal experience tells me that these third parties will do the damage to people even if they are not molested. It just gets worse then there is another handle to yank them around by and more buttons to push. I've really been divided between two groups that I can label as disgusting and even more disgusting. One has to be worse than the other or they are equal. I cannot accept sex as the determining factor. I especially cannot accept is as the one thing that outweighs all other things when it comes to abuse. To do so is blindness. I have had to decide that pedophiles are disgusting. Their opposite group, pedo-haters you might call them, are even more disgusting. There are far too few who are simply people.
  17. Sometimes it's because they hand you a straight line that's just too much to resist.
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