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Here is a link to a somewhat lengthy report put out on March 17. I know that there are a lot of brilliant people in the world who are capable of producing such a report in a very short order, but I have my own reasons for wondering if this  novel virus  isn’t so novel it’s little things like certain attentions paid to detail, and one annoying detail listed on my chart that I couldn’t seem to get anyone to pay attention to when I would ask why the reference was there. Specifically a reference linking me to Diabetes Mellitus on my chart which was news to me. Now the reference is gone, but I should have a hard copy somewhere. It was almost like some were looking for something, and expecting to find it. I think of it as somewhat of a novel mystery. Not a conspiracy. 

It is a pdf link...

https://www.tnmgrmu.ac.in/images/2020/doe/COVID19_Report_24March2020.pdf

On 6/11/2020 at 10:37 AM, Prasanna P said:

In TamilNadu, Dr.MGR Medical University has developed a vaccine candidate against SARS-COV-2 through 'reverse vaccinology' the institutions vice -chancellor Sudha Seshayyan. It was a three weeks research.

The potential vaccine candidate reported on April 23 in several articles?

if I manage to get the link right this being one of them?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/coronavirus-mgr-medical-university-develops-vaccine-candidate/article31410701.ece

19 hours ago, dimreepr said:

What should be clear by now is, money makes very little difference to the value of life.

A failing of the Economic System, or of Humanity?

17 hours ago, CharonY said:

That is more of a fundamental perhaps even philosophical question. Does HIV kill you by destroying your immune system or is it the inability to handle infections that kill you. Is a virus killing you or just the way your body deals with the infection. The dangerous thing is from that viewpoint folks assume that without (known) underlying conditions folks are safe. That, however is not the case. Younger folks usually have less complications, but we do not know the reasons. There are otherwise healthy young folks who end up in ICUs, but the rate is far lower. 

There used to be a chant that was made that went “No child left behind.” One would think that to accept that philosophy a human being might recognize that you don’t just hand out t-shirts then assume that the child is not starving. It is dangerous to ignore any possibility that could contribute to a dangerous state.

It is all a little confusing. We may or may not  develop a vaccine. There seems to be differences of opinions as to  whether or not it is the virus that kills, or it is the underlying conditions that kill.. Hmm, I had angina, they placed three stints in me, and the plan was to send me home that day, but I rapidly developed a cough while in the recovery phase of the procedure. I don’t know why I developed the cough, but the result was they did not send me home. Instead they admitted me and presumably treated the cough. I’m glad they did I got better. 

This may not seem related but I wonder had they sent me home and had I died what exactly would have been the reason written on my death certificate? This was in early November so, I highly doubt coved 19. Even so, I don’t know what they would have written but I am sure they would have had to write something. However, they admitted me and treated me until I was well enough to go home.

Maybe it has effected my view? I don’t want to read that anyone has died from coved 19, but if I have to read it I would rather read that the patient was  receiving treatment in a hospital were they could deal with underlying conditions. I don’t want to read that the patient was treated then released, then died days later of an underlying condition. Which, I have read was initially generally being recorded, until someone said no, count the virus as the cause. Apparently for reasons I don’t understand the difference is of importance.

It should be clear by now. Yes we need a  vaccine, but we also need to get a whole lot better at dealing with underlying conditions, and damn the monetary cost of either.

Honestly though, after spending the last six months trying not to die, for my life, I cannot understand why anyone likely to get the virus because of  susceptibility would volunteer to test the vaccine.

On 12/7/2011 at 11:36 PM, Eugenics said:

What do you think about Eugenics? I personally think it would drastically change the world for the better.

 

By Eugenics I mean sterilizing everyone with an IQ below 100, and forcibly aborting any fetus which will be born with a genetic deformity, retardation, etc.

 

Also encouraging geniuses to procreate by giving them tax breaks and benefits for each child they produce.

 

Can you imagine a world where geniuses are a dime a dozen?

Classrooms full of gifted children, no more government funds wasted on special ed classrooms, all this we can achieve.

 

We just have to set aside pointless emotions and see the bigger picture.

It might be difficult to accept forced sterilization at first, but the benefits are more than worth it.

 

I envision a city on the Moon, and colonies on Mars in our not so distant future, should we adopt the practice of Eugenics,

because it would drastically increase the amount of future scientists that will be born.

I don’t think about it at all. Usually. To me it would be like sitting around trying to decide if murder can be an ethical issue so long as it is approached from a scientific view. Which in itself is not all that unusual because science is used to kill and or murder all the time.

 If we revert to class systems of old it might in someway be seen as  genocide. Unless one insists genocide must be limited  by strict definition. To date there are seven pages on my device on the ethics of murder in the guise of Eugenics.

Though, it can be argued that sterilization is not murder, still some might say it is. The argument Eugenics assumes that no right to life exist, so why start with humanity?😒  Intellectually Eugenic, can I have someone arrested and shot for saying something stupid? What happens when the person I want arrested and murdered kills me first? Does it prove he or she is smarter than I am? It could then be argued that the one with the fastest most destructive  weapon is the intellectual. Hmm.

 I would rather imagine a moon or mars colony without designs on murder... Most of the people who the world considers to be smart generally avoid paying taxes. Imagine a moon or mars colony, perhaps even the planet earth where no one pays taxes, because we are too smart for that. We wouldn’t even have to worry about special ed classes, or moon and mars colonies, because there would be no money to spend.

Eugenics? In the end it would not stop stupidity, nor would it save the world along with, presumably, the smart people. In the end overpopulation will kill us all, and essentially population control by murder is basically all Eugenics is. Honestly, I think some really smart people will do something really stupid that kills us all, long before population control becomes necessary, and they will probably start by legitimizing some sort of, Eugenic thought. Then they will salute each other, while congratulating each other, for how smart they are all being, as everyone dies.

I read an article that says they noticed that Chinese  peasants dealing with covid seemed to be doing better than their rich counter parts the aparent difference being famotidine. So, now they are going to do a study. Apparently, where they use 9 times the usual dose.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/health/famotidine-coronavirus-northwell-trial/index.html

It explains the study to a small degree. Maybe I should not question it in the ethics section? Maybe I should not question it at all. I take meds that help and I take meds that seem to have side effects to the effect that I pick up my tablet then stare at it trying to remember what it was I wanted to do. There are times when my mind seems okay. Which is when I start to question. Yet when I question I am told that I am not thinking clearly.

For instance Keppra can lead to aggressive behavior. There is another word or two for it but at the moment aggressive is the one I remember. Luckily, there is a med for that. The problem being that I already take meds for high blood pressure and taking meds that calm also tend to lower blood pressure, and then well that can be a problem.

The thing is I have a tendency to question medications not to the extent where I throw them all away wait three days then go buy a decent bottle of Irish cream. Not yet anyway. Yes I have thought about it. I mentioned it once, and the remark was made well that is one way to commit suicide to which my thought was well, that is stupid, why would I wait three days if I wanted to commit suicide. Essentially, it remained a thought unexpressed because something's said are taken so seriously that further conversation is pointless because the drugs make my mind wonder and the humor I was trying to convey would be wasted on the mood brought about by my attempt at humor.

Hmm, I'm wondering. I think I understand why my mind is working the way it is , I think it is the drugs prescribed for my well being, so I tend to question. My first question would be why nine times the normal dose? Followed by, how many Chinese peasants, if the reason they take famotidine is, because they are peasants, would be taking nine times the normal amount. Why would they state normal dose giving no indication of what normal is. Then they stress not the pills don't run out and buy the pills off the shelf, then more cautions, followed by more cautions.

I am to the point of being afraid to question. Am I the one asking the question, or is it just the pills? To me this kind of article written in this manner seems unethical with a purpose. I certainly hope that famotidine is an answer to life opposed to dying, but I would think that suggesting that nine times the normal amount might be the difference, would be just as unethical as suggesting that injecting or ingesting Lysol simply because under the right conditions it acts as a deterrent to the virus. Am I wrong?

Here is a video that seems made to order... Maybe?

Well at least there is no math. There is lateral movement and various objects dimensionally different. His method of launch is somewhat simple to the point of antiquated and not always entirely accurate, but it may better answer your questions than anything I could find in writing. Note it doesn't say a word about which object would go furthest, but you might be surprised about what it says about your lighter object if the reason it is lighter is because it is hollow.

On 3/12/2020 at 7:33 PM, SilentSky23 said:

Well, what I meant in my initial saying was that I believe lighter objects accelerate faster and go farther than the ones with more mass, under the same exerted force,  of course

I'm trying to understand this? Didn't the eagle feather and the hammer accelerate equally and didn't they hit the ground at the same time? Honestly, it's the easiest way I believe to insure that the acceleration force on both objects is equal. I believe that if you look it up experiments were done in the 17 or 18 hundreds where balls dimensionally equal except for their mass were dropped into clay then the impression depth was measured. Actually, I think several considerations were considered. One being each ball dropped from the same height, so that acceleration was consistently equal for each ball, and if memory serves the ball with greater mass left the deeper impression. So if equal amounts of force are applied in the stopping, the object of more mass goes further.

Remember that the balls were dimensionally the same except for their mass. Each presenting the same surface area upon contact with the clay. Of course you can complicate with the need for math and lateral movement, and all other things considered, if you want to. 

Note. If I have completely misunderstood your question, my apologies, but it did seem that you wanted everything equal except object masses.

On 3/11/2020 at 7:42 PM, StringJunky said:

He's possibly thinking of light as wave which is hard to imagine as discrete.

When he said 360 I pictured a single pebble tossed into a puddle that produces a ring where potentially an infinite number of observers in line with the ring produced by the single pebble. The next step up in thought would be spherical where again that word infinite seems to neatly fit in since the potential for observation points is infinite.

This possibly being a misunderstood perception of particle-wave duality. The infinite number of potential observation points would imply the need for an infinite number of of photons, but though there can be an apparent infinite number of observation points, well not even stars shine forever and the laser emitter generally comes with an off switch and a limited power supply, so an infinite number laser photons being emitted isn't likely to occur. Bringing to the forefront one of the problems with the word infinite. Often it is used wrongly. Of course my reasoning almost always tends to have plenty of weaknesses as opposed to an infinite number of weaknesses.

Actually, I used to think that the reason we see things was because as they absorbed a photon they would then emit a photon of the proper wavelength thus explaining color, so believe me Tim I am not attempting to be critical in any way, I have enjoyed the thread. Attempting to figure out where you are coming from is as much a learning experience as the answers you have been given 🙂.

 I was reading reply that Mordred wrote the other day and it could just be that I misunderstood but I started trying to create the universe starting off with plank dimensions. Assuming that time is like an apple and that you either have an apple or you don't, so in some crazy sense it makes sense that you either have a plank unit of time or you don't, so not being able to attribute time to anything between t=0, and what was it? t=10-34th? Because, if it ain't a defined unit of time then it ain't time, kinda makes sense, well at least it does to me. Sort of, kind of.

Then I proceeded to build the universe one plank unit of time at a time...

Right away I realized I had a small problem having to do with the fact, well it starts out small, and since I'm assuming a somewhat spherical creation of expanding plank units, well it just gets worse. The problem being what appears to be a natural geometric phenomena occurs. As my imaginary expanding universe expanded outward from the singularity in order for each layer to maintain the necessary plank values each layer had to get smaller, really fast.

Then I thought that it would be much simpler, maybe, if the original plank unit singularity dimensionally was really really huge and it now being, what 14 billion years later having finally achieved the values assigned by Plank. I'm kinda convinced that if I live long enough I'll be able to use relativity to explain exactly how this happens... or, not? Well, I'm convinced I could, but don't really think I'm gonna live that long.

Now perhaps, your wondering why not just have a bunch of little tiny plank units that just start spewing from the singularity in a somewhat spherical fashion haphazardly, and now that I'm thinking about it I'm wondering the same thing?

But, another problem seems to occur, assuming that each plank unit is of equal value a rigid geometric shape seems unlikely unless it is square? And unless we can get some really serious relativity going the casual observer might notice the shapes emanating from the singularity in a spherical order aren't exactly square no matter how you calculate it, unless there are parts that don't fit within the Plank definition of time. The blurry parts that seem to fall within t=0 and t=10-34th, but for one thing. Unless we can randomly choose where t=0 and t=10-34th actually is the whole thought gets blurry. So, it's back to the enormous singularity to the now present Size Plank Units. Well, that is my preference anyway... I just need to think about it some more.

😊 Mordred do you see what happens when you start making sense to me? Only joking 😂 

Not about the part where you said something that made sense to me... But honestly my short term memory is still a forever a problem.

Maybe, I should have started with something smaller than the universe. But damn, I did start with Plank units... Is there anything smaller?

And Mordred, I'm not actually talking to you so there is no obligation to answer.

The truth is I'm

...Just thinking...

My left hand went numb twice. A tumor putting pressure on just the right place will do that. I can't believe anyone would want to do it on purpose just to play a game. Really, if your goal is a really cool game do it the old fashioned way make it a really good game. That way the only thing that goes numb is your mind and your behind cause you can't quite sitting around playing the game.

Maybe this seems odd to me because I am not a Doctor, but I get the impression that Blood Pressure is treated more like a disease rather than a symptom. Is high blood pressure a disease? Is it both? I lived from August 2018 to October 2019 assuming that the chest pains and shortness of breath etc was normal, if you have high blood pressure, all the while faithfully taking my high blood pressure meds and daily checking my blood pressure which always read just a little low most of the time. The symptoms I presented in 2018 and 2019 were exactly the same, yet this time the test they gave suggested that an exploratory catheterization was in order where they would fix anything they found wrong. I received three stints and a freaking miracle at the same time. If you don't count the brain tumor found in January 2020.

Apparently, I'm blessed and feel slated to be the next Methuselah if the two arteries they decided not to repair because the other three places where of more importance don't trigger the attack that kills me, but it may be apparent or perhaps it's the Keppra that has me annoyed that they originally treated the sudden, really high rise in blood pressure like it was a disease rather than a symptom.

I can't say that the pills didn't help cause when all I was doing was lying around the hospital doing nothing but eating and resting I actually started feeling pretty good. Note the blood pressure always tested low, and I would say yes it's always low. Then they gave me that nuclear test which I am not that familiar with but apparently it there is a problem they can give you the antidote which prevents them from having to save you from an inflicted heart attack that can happen, if they actually test you on a treadmill, apparently there is no antidote for a real heart attack. I passed, but two weeks later I was muttering to myself as I ran behind a walk behind lawnmower because I couldn't figure out where the middle setting which apparently defines walk as opposed to complete stop, or run, they should have let me do the treadmill. Why didn't they let me do the treadmill?

Yes I am venting, or maybe it is the Keppra, but if someone can convince me, or point me towards an article that suggest that high blood pressure is actually, more than just a symptom, maybe I'll be better able to accept blood pressure pills as a treatment for what may turn out to be angina in much the same way that a pill for a runny sniffly nose, you got a cold, medication is used to treat the flue. 

You know! I don't remember having a runny nose the whole time I was taking lasix 🙄, but then I didn't have a cold either. Finally, convinced the cardiologist that the sudden dizzy spells every time I bent over, wasn't from the brain surgery, and he took me off the lasix, and losartan. Now, I'm tempted to try and talk him into at least reducing the carvedilol, but am afraid that I might be pushing my luck. Mostly because carvedilol apparently does more than just lower blood pressure, which is now presenting in the acceptable low readings, and the other things it does sound like a good thing when you have three stints and could probably use a couple more. Or, it could just be that they were remarkably, well written articles.

I kinda miss the lasix now, because I have this internal left sinus problem, which I'm probably making assumptions about. Anyone who has ever had to take lasix knows that the initial constant trips to the bathroom which I would normally blame on old age, is kinda annoying, and probably more so than a slight sinus problem that only occurs when I'm sitting up, and isn't always noticable.

Okay, I'm feeling better now, but I really would like to know is sudden oncoming high blood pressure accompanied by really aggressive chest pain, cold sweats, can't stand it, wish it would stop, please make it stop, sound like the symptoms of high blood pressure? Is high blood pressure a disease in itself, or should it be thought of as a symptom first?

I keep wondering...

I enjoyed reading this and it did sound as if he meant an antacid tho as described maybe a strong diuretic. I can make guesses as to why a diuretic might help to  alleviate his symptoms since he stated the problem was his throat.

But, if he insisted to the Dr. that the root of his problem had to be due to something like acid reflux the explanation of exactly how the drug worked may have been a misunderstanding. I’m also accepting that in some populations drugs are given as a liquid thus possibly a mixture of drugs presented as singular.

Based upon his presentation and belief his latter reasoning sounds completely reasonable.

Personally, I never had allergies in my life until one day a Dr. smiled and said if I would just take the damn pills he prescribed then at bedtime take a liquid antacid attempting to only swallow once before falling asleep then at least the symptoms that were making me the most miserable would likely go away. Then if my gut was still bothering me we would deal with that... The conclusion?

Personally, I had allergies well over most of my life and was clueless...😒

The Drs seem pleased. I haven't noticed an improvement in short term memory using the coffee test, but then my life situation has changed. I’m in a whole different environment. Generally, I can walk to the kitchen  to get coffee successfully, but when I get into a conversation it can get cloudy, simple words right on the tip of the tongue that refuse to present. Occasionally whole sentences that I have repeated over and over because of the endless repeated questions I know what they did and why. It is like I am trying to carry a two story ladder around a house in mud sinking to my knees. I’d rather just pack the truck up and go home. For one thing mud gets on everything, secondly they then want all the mud cleaned off of everything. It is better to wait until there is no mud then do the job.

 I’m hoping it is the medications.  Keppra specifically, since it is the only really new med, it apparently comes with a lot of unpleasant side effects. Then maybe it is the brain adjusting to the void.

There was a hypersensitivity to electrically induced  stimuli, as in conversation was fine. A squeaky wheel on a food cart was fine. But, the racket coming out of my phone or tv was extremely irritating. It got better, but the other day I was given a ride to a store and all I wanted was out of the place. It was like I was trying to watch a movie right after surgery, way too much input. Which oddly didn’t occur in the store I visited first. I’m guessing it was the lighting overkill in the second, but closing my eyes didn’t really help.

 I don’t believe light sensitivity is generally associated with Keppra, but there was a few meds that I was already taking that are known to cause light sensitivity, so maybe again it is the brain adjusting to the missing meningioma due to fluorescent overkill. The place practically crackled.

 I have been told that I had been showing signs of a mental problem long before the meningioma was discovered, soon followed by okay, now it all makes sense. I have accepted to some degree, yes  paranoia was becoming a problem, along with all the issues it leads to, but I never felt that too much empathy and almost laughing myself into a seizure was a bad thing, and that seems to be gone. Well, not exactly gone. It’s like some of life is being viewed through a window. I remember what it was like but that isn’t my life anymore.

 It was not my intention for this to be a personal blog, so I will ask a question. Has anyone experience with brain surgery patients coming out of their surgery with a  heightened sense of apathy? It’s actually a hard question to ask. Maybe it isn’t apathy, maybe indifference is the better term? Even in this mental smog that I hope someday will go away, it seems a safe place to be, but I worry that someday someone not knowing my past will take exception and hit me right in the forehead. Considering my worry maybe neither term is accurate, but now I am at a loss?

The mass has been removed☺️  Occasionally it feels as if my head has been removed the pain suggest otherwise not to mention that using my cell phone finding my head is not that difficult somewhat ugly but not difficult to do. 
the fact that I am using my cell phone and am not just sitting here staring at it wondering what to do next in my opinion suggests  good days to come. 
they were gonna give me another 3 months before the procedure but had to move it up. Doing well. 

Tried to find a cartwheeling emoji, but couldn't so, it Ain't gonna  happen.😞😞 Sorry. Then I'm also, assuming my common sense will come back when they are done. Then it still ain't gonna happen😊.

Okay actually in this case the ER doctor showed me a reverse image so the Hyperdense mass is actually in the right Hemisphere pushing over to the left, and now  it make more sense. And after the examination the  nerosurgeon did not see any reason to rush into things. He said he would prefer to allow me to recover from the original cardiac problem first At which point if not for the fact that i am an old man and hurting I would have done cartwheels I know they mean well but an old man can only take so much at Once. 

I just faced one of those of course you have a a right to choose speeches. I did not say no, exactly.what I said is that I want to wait and think about it. Their response I assume was a standard legal response. They changed the wording from chose to refused so I felt pressured to change this apparently foolish choice I had made immediately. They also, started citing  policy that prevented me from participating in a program I was already participating in. They talk a good game, but there is only a similitude of free will designed to please the masses. Which can,so will be manipulated to control the individual. There is no free will in that manner. You can make choices. A teacher once taught me that. You might not have control of the choices,but you can choose.

Pain is animate matter responding to external stimuli's, generally a learned response that animate matter can physically adapt to as in as a child and young man I ran barefoot and dealt with emotions much more easily than I do now. Evidently the receptors/ sensors need to be present and in good working order. Perhaps the term good is a little too optimistic. Pain as a  term should be considered very broadly as in inflammation is an external stimulus response as is communication.

On 7/9/2019 at 9:01 AM, StringJunky said:

Do we understand the essential ontology of anything? All we can do is surround a thing with words without actually ever capturing and consuming it to the extent of understanding its underlying nature; we are limited by our available means of expression and symbology.

This is a science forum so I expect to read a lot of smart things here, but I think String-junky exceeded the norm with this post

How can there be a large mass in the left hemisphere that has no effect on the right side of the body yet as it pushes its way over into the right hemisphere there is effect to left hand namely a noticeable slight tremor while occasionally dropping something not enough time to worry me but the other day while trying to put the leash on the he dog the hand just quit working and started feeling numb not cold just numb. I was wearing a device  on that arm that takes pulse every two minutes during the event the pulse was recorded so I’m assuming that since there was a continued pulse  and that my hand did not get cold that my brain over reacted to a painful pinched nerve in my wrist and shut the whole hand down. Unless it can be done by simply pinching a main nerve in the wrist.  Actually I would prefer that kind of possibility. 
it resulted in a trip to the ER and my discovering that there are things more scary than angina

 anyway it explains, maybe, some of the anger issues i have  been having, maybe. I kinda hope so. 
but it doesn’t explain how such a large mass can be growing in the left hemisphere without effecting the right side yet cause problems to the left side. Suspect that the only reason I can ask this question and possibly talk about this now is because when they said they wanted to transfer me immediately to another hospital that specializes in neurosurgery my irrationality due to recent medical events I said no but agreed to an appointment tomorrow to talk and then it will go from there. The problem with talking  to specialist doctors is that they have programmed speeches to imply the need for instant action so they don’t listen to the questions.

 No Doc you didn’t answer my question nor have you reassured me it’s just that I have had time to think about it and I trust that you know what you are doing even if you can not answer my questions without giving  your its  really important that we do this thing now, speech. The truth is I just wanted to talk, and i would prefer to be sitting down and not looking up at  the bright lights this time for the talk, and note this time if you are not going to put me to sleep you might want to at the minimum partially secure my arms so that this time i don’t try and show you where you are working by touching the point where whatever tool you’re  using is touching me and be warned in advance that if you don’t knock me out I will talk your ear off, it’s called  Captive socializing .

 Okay, most of this is i just nervous chatter, but it just about time for me to go on vacation again and I’m hoping that when i get back Someone who knows something about neuroscience will have answered the left hand mass not effecting the right hand question? Or at least point me in the direction of something a layman can read. 
who knows maybe when they are done I will once again be able to walk to the kitchen to get a cup of coffee and remember why I’m in the kitchen when and if I get there.

Oh well, if not. I have  gotten  used to cold coffee 

7 hours ago, Strange said:

This is a good read on why it would be the neutrinos that kill you: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/12/27/this-is-how-wed-all-die-instantly-if-the-sun-suddenly-went-supernova/#7e585634502c

So it would be safe to say that if we live long enough to see it we would be safe from a Neutrino  boiling death in the qickterm. What about long term Life changing possibilities?

Possibly, new stars forming, etc?

Thank you 

4 minutes ago, MigL said:

Sorry, the EF.

What usually happens is that the blood vessels supplying the heart get blocked. This leads to the heart having to work harder with a more limited supply of blood. And this can lead to heart attacks and/or reduced heart function.
The reduced heart function would show up as lower EF.
If the heart has been damaged, this reduced function could be permanent, IE sections of the heart are 'dead' and can't function properly anymore. The stents will not improve EF, but will keep it from getting worse.

Your symptoms were probably shortness of breath because of fluid build-up in the lungs, chest pains, and if really bad blockage, numbness and cold sweat, IE you're having a heart attack !

I'm sure you talked to a specialist before the procedure was performed.
Make a follow up appointment; he/she is the one you should be consulting with.

Thanks much clearer. Described  as accurately as I remember it on Halloween night while passing out candy. He/we agreed to wait.  90 days  for the meds and rehab to work then test again then decide if I want what looks like. Cell phone implanted. I haven’t had a lot of luck with cell phones which do not seem designed to last even as long as the ride home   The doc is going to be the final say if the insurance doesn’t stop the process. Again thanks

33 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

I'm not sure why you're getting the confusion, it seems like a perfectly legitimate question. This tells me there is something else at work possibly. 

Perhaps you should rethink the way you're approaching your doctor on this. Tell them it was your understanding that the stents would increase the fraction of blood pumped by your heart each beat, but the ECG results don't seem to show that. I'm wondering if their head-scratching means you've interpreted something wrong, or you're looking at the wrong readings. 

With the new setup they have  I generally see the reports before they do maybe the confusion comes at the question in the first place, if he  wasn’t expecting me to ask it? it’s pretty much straight forward in what it says Nothing to interpret. I will ask him again and go over it line by line if needed , and you got it right away, what I was expecting from the stents and I do feel remarkably better.the reading just doesn’t match thee way I feel now, or it was initially much worse and the initial number would have been lower than the stated 30-50% and the reading that now presents would be capable without me feeling any pain initially. I’m thinking I had the wrong conversation with the surgeons who put the stents in they probably had a better view than I and didn’t really need me telling them where the end of the Catheter was  in play by play. It’s just that when they got to the part where the pain wa I seemed important to tell them yes that the place exactly. I’ll write it down for him. Maybe he wasn’t expecting me to have any information since that part of the system is fairly new here ,and now I am just making conversation. So thank you once again.

3 minutes ago, MigL said:

They don't usually put stents on the major arteries coming out of the Lventricle as they are more prone to aneurysms than blockages.
They usually put stents in the much smaller arteries supplying the heart itself with blood.
That is the case for everyone I know that's had stents put in; so I don't see what EV has to do with it.

Your heart specialist is the best person to have this conversation with

I’m new to this language so was EV a typo? You didn’t mean EF?  The window for talk is tiny. The New app that connects the patient to their Reports has an ask questions feature not sure how it works, but I’m gonna give it a try.

the order of events is difficult to remember but I’m pretty sure someone told me they were shipping me up to another hospital because the EF was less than , or between 30 and fifty percent and they could test and repair at the same time. Maybe that is where I got the impression that the EF was an important indicator. Now if it has little to do with it , it changes everything . The indication changes because  I was wondering why they would want to jump start a car with a clogged fuel line? So, to speak.

Thank you both

1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

Can I assume your EF was below 50% when they suggested installing stents?

Then it gets confusing, the latest echo shows the same.presumably the meds and rehab will eventually in the next 90 days raise it above 50% or I am to get an implanted defibrillator

1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

This is the PERFECT question to ask your cardiologist. They know the most about all the factors affecting you specifically, and they actually love explaining processes to people with a little science knowledge.

The window of opportunity is small. I'm guessing that my question was confusing to the cardiologist. I sensed confusion when I asked. I realize that senses are are a poor indicator of reality maybe he needed time to think about it.  The whole process was confusing and still is, but I am reluctant to let them to implant a device the size I of a small cell phone when the explanation is that basically it is designed to simply jumpstart the heart apparently I have 90 days to accept the need if the echo doesn't improve so I was wondering about echo grams? How they work and why after New plumbing is installed the reading would be the same. When I have asked all I have gotten is a look of confusion.  Anyway thanks... I'll l ask him again and probably again until I have to make a decision. Thank you.