Otto Kretschmer

Can it be patched online for free? Any docu from BBC is worth it.

I am not aware of any studies specifically about population level personality differences. Thus, I consider the evidence to be merely anecdotal in nature. :)

Anectodal evidence at least suggest that differences in personality exist even at national level - famously, southern Europeans (Italians, Spaniards, Greeks etc.) are known to be loud and talkative while Nordics (Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Icelanders) are known to be reserved, less sociable and more direct in their communication style, though the evidence is just anectodal AFAIK.

By the way, some conscious genetic sculpting of society is already taking place, albeit at an earlier stage - in Denmark genetic screening for Down syndrome is universal and over 90% of embryos with Down syndrome are aborted. This might expand to other disorders in the future.

"Was running" or "had been running", not "has been running" since he no longer runs anything.

Harrop's main point is not to make FMT available right now for everyone as some kind of super treatment but to make researchers use better donors in trials, with @SFBayFMT5 pointing out the caveeats of his approach.

What if an extrovert was raised in a culture and family that values introversion? Let's say a naturally gregarious, emotionally expressive person is raised from birth in an East Asian family that values self discipline, emotional self control and deriving satisfaction from internal rather than external world. The quality of upbringing is very high but rooted in this specific cultural context. Will such a person become naturally less extroverted?

Oh Jesus... Here is Michael's account on the forum created July 6, 2023, he is the forum admin: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/members/michael-harrop.3 And here is SFBayFMT5, joined April 23, 2024: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/members/sfbayfmt5.641 They are clearly separate human beings, unless you think Michael created a sockpuppet account on his own forum to debate with himself, and in that case the burden of proof is on you.

I have never really harmed anyone in my life. I have had friends and all my family members like me. I also see a lot of positive traits in myself, including literally boundless intellectual curiosity and good logical thinking but that's a different story and really off topic. :) Mental health and cognition are my main drivers of my interest in gut microbiome research since it is a potential factor and very possibly a significant one but I am digressing as well.

Yes, it is indeed a spectrum and this fact impacts be personally and not in a positive way - I am myself likely at the lower end of the empathy spectrum and likely due to heredity - my grandfather was kicked out of his house by his brothers after having chased his mother with an axe (they said if he shows up again, they are going to kill him, he died in 2021 due to COVID, aged 93). I myself have a history of trying to burn a cat alive at age 4 and killing two birds at age 5 as well as trying to make a cat kill a hamster also at age 5. I am not antisocial and I'm pleasant to interact with, I can also be altruistic in a genuine way but I am simpyl not fully content with myself. :( Especially that it comes together with high Neuroticism. While I am not a proponnt of forceful treatment, I think that people on the extremely low end of the empathy/altruism spectrum are missing out a lot. Their state is not a minor inconvienance, they are missing arguably the most important thing that makes humans human - the ability to emotionally connect with people and the world. They don't experience the joy of falling in love, seeing friends or family members succeed or having the government enact a just, progressive policy. For them humans are just tools to be used and discarded, no more important than a piece of toilet paper.

People with ASPD would actually make poor soldiers. They are psychologically resilient and calm under pressure but also extreme egocentrici - military career requires years of self improvement and learning from others - and it's hard to listen to other people when you already consider yourself far superior to others. The smarter ones would probably not even consider joining the military, the would prefer a career in business or politics both of which are much more lucrative and far less dangerous.

He is another member from Harrop's forum (Human Microbiome Community Forum) who joined on his own initiative. I visit that forum as well from time to time mostly to check gut microbiome-related research articles posted there.

@exchemist As far as I know (being a sporadic lurker on his forum), Harrop's business was only operational for a short time while he's been interested in gut microbiome research and FMT for well over a decade and active online for a simialr period of time. IMHO if he wanted to get rich quick, selling magical amulets would be a better choice. Even penis enlargement pills would be a better investment. And again, a scientific forum is one of the worst places on the internet to sell anything. My personal inerest in gut microbiome is due to it's potential impact on mental health and cognition, both of which I'd like to improve, I'm physically healthy otherwise (other than being visually impaired since birth due to Retinopathy of Prematurity).

Given my OP and what @TheVat said - should anyone decide at all? The option for a voluntary change should be available and working on it is a necessity IMO. But deciding for somebody else is a different matter.

No issue with that.

The approach outlined by @TheVat is fully sensible and I agree with it.

+1 That's the kind of answer I was hoping for.

I read this phrase of yours: And I assumed that you think treating antisocial people harms them.

You did not ask any, @Phi for All did. As for who should decide on a forced treatment - I don't know. The title of the thread is "Would it make sense...?" and not "It would make sense...". I was asking a question ecause I genuinely did not know the answer. After some thought I would lean on a cautious "yes" but I would never force my views on any society, I would let others decide. As for my previous thread - Michael Harrop would be the one opening it but I opened it for him since he was afraid posts of a new user would be treated as spam.

You seem to be assuming that we shouldn't treat antisocial people because treating them harms them in some way. Well, how?

Is that always the case? What about the cost to benefit ratio? If you have major depression, take an SSRI and it happens to work fine for you, having erectile dysfunction or some other minor side effects will be a really minor thing compared to feeling like being psychologically in hell 24/7.

But there is a defined condition. It's called Antisocial Personality Disorder in the DSM-5 and is covered under Dissociality personality dimension in the ICD-11. I used "psychopathy" as a thought shortcut, just like some people may still call mild autism "Asperger's" even though it's no longer used in diagnostic textbooks due to having been subsumed into the broader Autism Spectrum Disorder. What of the above is unclear to you?

@exchemist @studiot As I explained in my previous post - what I had in mind was the combination of traits that was once covered under the label named psychopathy, not the literal word "psychopathy". Imagine if I asked "What did Elon Musk just write on Twitter?" and you argued that he didn't write anything because Twitter doesn't exist. For me this is sophistry.

Simply because the name psychopathy is no longer used in diagnostic textbooks doesn't mean that the specific traits are not present in the population. You may call the Earth a gas giant but you'll never turn it into one. In DSM-5 here is the diagnostic unit called Antisocial Personality Disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#Treatment In ICD-11 ASPD does not function as an independent diagnostic unit but it's symptoms are covered under Dissociality trait domain under the general diagnosis of Personality Disorder.

How would you approach this? en. The core problem of psychopathy is that it comes with complete lack of guilt or remorse as well as lack of fear, sadness and profound egocentricity - their condition doesn't cause them any suffering so they don't feel broken and thus, do not generally want to change. Some actually view their lack of empathy as an asset that helps them succeed in life. Now the smarter and more introspective ones do know that they are different from other human beings and are missing out on a lot of things - these would likely agree to treatment, but what to do with the rest?