# RAGORDON2010

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1. ## An Invitation to Visit My Blogs

The Forum members are invited to visit two blogs I have created that expand on my earlier postings under the Special Relativity and Quantum Mechanics categories: “Special Relativity from the Inside Out” LINK DELETED “Introduction to Schrodinger Ensemble Theory” LINK DELETED
2. ## Schrodinger Ensemble Theory

Introduction to Schrodinger Ensemble Theory Some years ago, I chose to pursue a different approach to the study of the time-independent Schrodinger equation, particularly as it is commonly applied to the following situations: a particle in an infinite potential well, a particle in a finite potential well, the harmonic oscillator, the hydrogen atom. The first group of examples I will discuss are all one-dimensional. The work will generalize when I deal with the hydrogen atom. My concept is simple. For a given potential V(x), suppose $$\psi(x)$$ is the solution to the Schrodinger equation in the form: $$(E)(\psi) = ((h/2(\pi))^2/2m)(d^2(\psi)/dx^2) + (V)(\psi)$$. Suppose further that an ensemble of identical, non-interacting particles is distributed in real space at time t=0 such that the fraction of particles in the region (x, x + dx) is given by $$\psi\psi*dx$$. Suppose, in addition, that these particles exhibit an initial momentum distribution such that the fraction of particles with momentum in the range (p, p + dp) is given by $$\phi\phi*dp$$, where $$\phi(p)$$ and $$\psi(x)$$ are Fourier transforms of each other according to the usual rules. I then require that the fractional density functions be consistent across the two spaces - real space and momentum space. That is, I insist that the fraction of ensemble particles initially positioned in the region (x, x + dx) equals the fraction of ensemble particles with initial values of momentum in the region (p, p + dp). That is, I require that my consistency relationship $$\psi(x)\psi(x)*dx = \phi(p)\phi(p)*dp$$ is satisfied. Finally, I use this consistency relationship to seek a momentum function p(x). On the one hand, it may be possible to find p(x) by inspection or via trial and error. Otherwise, it might be possible to integrate each side of the relationship separately and isolate p(x) from the result. Even then, there will still be some freedom left to decide on the direction of the momentum vectors. Please note that for these Schrodinger ensembles, total particle energy is not a "sharp" variable. The expectation energy averaged across the entire ensemble remains the eigenvalue E, but the energy of any individual particle is always computed from $$p(x)^2/2m + V(x)$$ in the usual manner. Also note that since psi(x) and phi(p) only represent initial conditions placed on the ensemble, the subsequent development of the ensemble over time is determined by applying Liouville's theorem to the ensemble. I have not found a way to develop Schrodinger Ensemble Theory for the time-dependent Schrodinger Equation.
3. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

Must be my browser. Regarding the comments, I ask the Forum to be patient. I think most concerns being raised will self-resolve eventually. A little more background on Related Experiments, and then I will focus on the question of invariance. (Most of us are home-bound anyway because of this damn virus, so it's probably healthy to have some anonymous person on the outside to argue with.) Note to all who view this thread - The count of views to this thread surpasses 60,000. I take this view count very seriously. It is my intention that every one of my posts be an accurate and clear reflection of my thinking. To this end, if I draft a post on, say, Monday, the draft is read/edited and read/edited until, say, Thursday or Friday when I finally submit it to the Forum Unfortunately, this discipline does not hold for my responses to individual comments from Forum members. Those responses tend to be “off the cuff” and ill thought out. In particular, my disrespectful comment on a frame-driven physics in the context of the expression: $$(dS/2)^2 + (vdt/2)^2 = (cdt/2)^2$$. I interprete this expression as pointing to the formation of “Minkowski ellipsoids” that mark off the progress of a particle as it moves along its path of motion under the influence of applied fields. Instead of commenting the way I did, what I should have said, upon reflection, is that neither these ellipsoids nor their defining expressions are intended to be viewed as transformation invariants across a pair of related experiments, or in the conventional sense, across the associated “rest” and “moving” frames of reference. I hope all of this will become clearer to the Forum in my future posts. Special Relativity - A Fresh Look, Part 5 This post begins with the Related Experiments treatment of the “In-Line” Relativistic Doppler Effect and follows with the Related Experiments treatment of the “Transverse” Relativistic Doppler Effect. In his 1905 paper, Einstein* begins his analysis by imagining a monochromatic source placed at rest at a point some distance from the origin of his “rest” frame, Frame K. If we only wish to focus on the in-line Doppler effect, we may limit the positioning of the source to somewhere along the Frame K negative x-axis. *(ref. “Einstein’s Miraculous Year - Five Papers That Changed the Face of Physics", Edited by John Stachel and Published by Princeton University Press, 1998, pgs. 146-149.) Following Einstein’s approach, we write the wave function argument for a light wave emanating from the source and traversing in the positive x direction with frequency f, period T = 1/f, and wavelength w = c/f = cT as it would be recorded by a stationary detector positioned at the origin: $$2(\pi)(f)(t - x/c)$$. For our Related Experiments analysis, we assign the above set-up to our image experiment. We place a monochromatic source with frequency f’, period T’ = 1/f’, and wavelength w’ = c/f’ = cT’ at rest at a distant point somewhere along the negative x’-axis and we place a stationary detector at the origin. We expect that the detector will record a wave function argument equal to $$2(\pi)(f’)(t’ - x’/c)$$. Moving over to our object experiment, we use the a similar set-up, but here we place the source in motion with velocity v in the direction of the stationary detector. We now determine what the detector would record in the object experiment as follows: We substitute for t’ and x’ in the argument $$2(\pi)(f’)(t’ - x’/c)$$ using the Lorentz transformations in the form: $$t’ = (\gamma)(t - vx/c^2)$$, and $$x’ = (\gamma)(x - vt)$$, with $$\gamma$$ defined in the usual way. After some simplification, we will find that the stationary detector records a wave with argument: $$2(\pi)(\gamma)(f’)(1 + v/c)(t - x/c)$$, giving a frequency of $$(\gamma)(f)’(1 + v/c)$$. This represents the relativistic Doppler shift for a source moving toward a fixed observer (or equivalently, for an observer moving toward a fixed source.) To determine the frequency transformation for the case where the source moves away from a fixed observer (or equivalently, where the observer moves away from the fixed source), we need only replace v in the above with -v. For the case of the Transverse Relativistic Doppler Effect (TDE), we follow Einstein’s general analysis, but, for Frame K, we position the source at the origin and place the detector at rest at an arbitrary point, point P, on the positive z-axis some distance from the origin. For source frequency f, period T = 1/f, and wavelength w = c/f = cT, we would expect that this detector will record a plane wave emanating from the source with argument $$2(\pi)(f)(t - z/c)$$. For our Related Experiments analysis, we assign Einstein’s Frame K set-up to our image experiment. We place a monochromatic source with frequency f’, period T’ = 1/f’, and wavelength w’ = c/f’ = cT’ at rest at the origin, and we place the detector at rest on the positive z’-axis at a point P some distance from the origin. As in the Einstein model, we expect that this detector will record a plane wave emanating from the source with argument $$2(\pi)(f’)(t’ - z’/c)$$. Moving over to our object experiment, we use the a similar set-up, but here we locate the source somewhere along the negative x-axis and set it in motion with velocity v in the positive x direction. We now ask how the wave emitted by the moving source as it passes the origin would appear to the detector at point P. We substitute for t’ and z’ in the argument $$2(\pi)(f’)(t’ - z’/c)$$ using the Lorentz transformations in the form: $$t’ = (\gamma)(t - vx/c^2)$$ and z’ = z, with $$\gamma$$ defined in the usual way. After some simplification, we find that the detector records a plane wave with argument $$2(\pi)(f’)(\gamma)(t - (vx/c + z/(\gamma))/c)$$. This represents a plane wave with frequency $$f = f’(\gamma)$$ and direction cosines, (l, m, n), with l = v/c, m = 0, and n = $$1/(\gamma)$$. We see that the light detected by the receiver is blue-shifted by a factor of gamma. Also, we see that the light beam will appear to be emanating from a displaced source, an example of “aberration”. Let $$\theta$$ = angle between the light beam and the x-axis. Let $$\phi$$ = angle between the light beam and the z-axes. Then $$cos (\theta)$$ = l = v/c, and $$cos \(phi) = n = 1/(\gamma)$$. Since $$\theta$$ and $$\phi$$ are complementary angles, $$cos (\phi) = sin (\theta)$$, and we would expect $$(l)^2 + (n)^2 = 1$$, which is true here.

10. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

I wish to continue presenting my insights into a different view of Special Relativity. I took a cue from an invitation from Swansont to open a new thread in Speculations where I posted the following. I found today that Strange has stopped that thread and it seems that I am being directed back to this one. So, for the sake of consistency, I am repeating this post here and will follow up shortly with another one. Special Relativity - a Fresh Look: Overview A fresh look at the underpinnings of Special Relativity is merited for the following reasons - 1. In earlier posts, I’ve shown how to view SR applications as Related Experiments - a pair of matched experiments in which charged particles are subjected to external electromagnetic fields. In the object experiment, the particle is given an initial velocity v and subjected to fields E and H. In the image experiment, fields E’ and H’ are applied to the particle at rest, where E’ and H’ are the transformed images of E and H under the SR field transformations. The 4-space motion of the particle in the image experiment (t’,x’,y’,z’) will then match up with the transformed 4-space motion (t, x, y, z) of the particle in the object experiment under a Lorentz time and space transformation with parameter v. In approaching SR this way, we avoid any discussions or dependencies on clocks that run slow or fast, and meter sticks that shrink or grow, as we move from one experiment to the other. 2. The Relativistic form of Newton’s Second Law of Motion is a Classical Physics formulation. We are given a set of initial conditions, a set of prescribed forces and a differential equation from which we can compute the position, velocity and energy of the particle for any time in the future to any degree of accuracy, and, if we insert negative values of time, we can compute the position, velocity and energy of the particle for any time in the past to any degree of accuracy. This is classical Classical Physics - given knowledge of the initial conditions and applied forces, the entire past and future of the particle is completely determinable. Contrast this with the stochastic behavior of Modern Physics, where SR plays a major role in nuclear physics, the physics of high energy particle collisions, and quantum field theory (QFT). 3. The mention of QFT brings me to my final point - QFT speaks of relationships between particles and fields characterized by a series of minute, discrete interactions in which the particles are accelerated slightly or decelerated slightly and/or deflected slightly and/or rotated, twisted or spun slightly. In contrast, conventional SR theory is marked by functions that are everywhere smooth and continuous. I intend to develop a model of SR which addresses all of the above, stays well within conventional bounds of discussion on the subject, and, here and there, introduces key, defensible ideas. Finally, I ask that the Forum members allow me to retain control over my terminology. For example, I shall refer to Minkowski’s S function as a “Minkowski interval”, and I shall refer to his dS function as a “Minkowski differential interval”.
11. ## Special Relativity - A Fresh Look

A fresh look at the underpinnings of Special Relativity is merited for the following reasons - 1. In earlier posts, I’ve shown how to view SR applications as Related Experiments - a pair of matched experiments in which charged particles are subjected to external electromagnetic fields. In the object experiment, the particle is given an initial velocity v and subjected to fields E and H. In the image experiment, fields E’ and H’ are applied to the particle at rest, where E’ and H’ are the transformed images of E and H under the SR field transformations. The 4-space motion of the particle in the image experiment (t’,x’,y’,z’) will then match up with the transformed 4-space motion (t, x, y, z) of the particle in the object experiment under a Lorentz time and space transformation with parameter v. In approaching SR this way, we avoid any discussions or dependencies on clocks that run slow or fast, and meter sticks that shrink or grow, as we move from one experiment to the other. 2. The Relativistic form of Newton’s Second Law of Motion is a Classical Physics formulation. We are given a set of initial conditions, a set of prescribed forces and a differential equation from which we can compute the position, velocity and energy of the particle for any time in the future to any degree of accuracy, and, if we insert negative values of time, we can compute the position, velocity and energy of the particle for any time in the past to any degree of accuracy. This is classical Classical Physics - given knowledge of the initial conditions and applied forces, the entire past and future of the particle is completely determinable. Contrast this with the stochastic behavior of Modern Physics, where SR plays a major role in nuclear physics, the physics of high energy particle collisions, and quantum field theory (QFT). 3. The mention of QFT brings me to my final point - QFT speaks of relationships between particles and fields characterized by a series of minute, discrete interactions in which the particles are accelerated slightly or decelerated slightly and/or deflected slightly and/or rotated, twisted or spun slightly. In contrast, conventional SR theory is marked by functions that are everywhere smooth and continuous. I intend to develop a model of SR which addresses all of the above, stays well within conventional bounds of discussion on the subject, and, here and there, introduces key, defensible ideas. Finally, I ask that the Forum members allow me to retain control over my terminology. For example, I shall refer to Minkowski’s S function as a “Minkowski interval”, and I shall refer to his dS function as a “Minkowski differential interval”.
12. ## Influence of the Universe on Physical Laws

The article that has had the greatest effect on my thinking about physics over the years is “Extended Mach Principle” by Professor Joe Rosen, then at Tel-Aviv University, Israel (AJP, Volume 49, March 1981, pp. 258-264). Of all the fundamental principles Professor Rosen addresses, these three stand out for me - The origin of all laws of physics lies with the universe as a whole. Every single physical property and behavior aspect of isolated systems is determined by the whole universe. If the rest of the universe is taken away leaving only an isolated system, all laws of physics will cease to hold for it, and even space and time will lose their meaning for it. What I would like to do here is pursue these principles with regard to the following two questions: What role does the surrounding universe play in the decay of a single unstable particle at rest in an inertial frame of reference? What role does the surrounding universe play in the retarded rate of decay of these unstable particles as they move rapidly within this inertial frame of reference? I’ve always thought that the decay of an unstable particle is the strongest illustration of Eddington’s “Arrow of Time” - There is a BEFORE, there is an instant of NOW, and there is an AFTER. With respect to my Question 1, it is not hard to point to numerous examples of interactions where particle decay is in some way connected to the surrounding environment - an atomic pile comes to mind, so do particles struck by random photons, neutrinos, or miscellaneous other particles, real or virtual, that “exist” in the wilds of the universe. I intend instead to focus on Question 2. Retarded rate of decay as a function of pure motion is defined by Einstein’s time dilation formula appearing in his Theory of Special Relativity and also by an identical formula appearing in his Theory of General Relativity. Interestingly enough, the time dilation formula applies to any type of unstable particle regardless of mass, charge, spin or any of the other parameters generally applied to unstable particles by particle physicists and depends only on a relative velocity v and light speed c. If we exclude the class of retarded decay rates associated with General Relativity on the basis that the Universe is interacting with these unstable particle through gravity, we are left with the class of retarded decays associated with Special Relativity. I’ve made the point in earlier posts that I believe that Special Relativity Theory belongs firmly in the house of Electromagnetic Theory, including phenomena related to light such as the constancy of light speed in any inertial frame and the Relativistic Doppler Effect. Given this, I would think that retarded decay of speeding unstable particles, a hallmark of SR time dilation, would be in some way connected to the charge and/or magnetic moment, i.e., spin, of the unstable particle. The theoretical physics community has a large storehouse of weaponry with which to attack this phenomenon - QED, QFT, the Standard Model with its quark/gluon interactions, interactions with the universal background radiation, interactions with fields of passing neutrinos, interactions with the Higgs Boson, the influence of Dark Matter and/or Dark Energy. Just for starters, there are the unstable particles detected down here on the Earth’s surface that are created in collisions between atoms in the upper atmosphere and high-energy particles and gamma rays coming in from outer space. They should decay long before reaching the Earth’s surface. If we approach this problem from the point of view of interactions with external electromagnetic fields, then we might look at interactions with the Earth's magnetic field as well as with miscellaneous electric and magnetic fields in the upper atmosphere. Another aspect of the problem is that particle decay is a stochastic process. Any single unstable particle can exist over a range of time intervals - all that can be determined in the laboratory is the mean time to decay from observations of many instances. Accordingly, the application of the SR time dilation factor has to be applied to the mean time observation, which becomes even more tenuous when we account for the fact that there will be some statistical distribution in the velocities of the observed particles relative to the laboratory frame. Be that as it may, as I’ve pointed out in earlier posts, I am still hoping for an explanation for retarded particle decay times that goes beyond simply stating that Special Relativity requires it.
13. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

Studiot , thank you for bringing the Wangsness material to my attention. Oddly, I think his spherical light shell approach to deriving the Lorentz transformations was the vehicle I was first introduced to as a freshman undergrad. I never was happy with it, and I think this dissatisfaction was a prime motivator for me to seek out Einstein’s original 1905 paper to read what the master actually wrote. Currently, I am working on a post targeted for the General Philosophy category. Perhaps we’ll meet up again over there.

16. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

Strange, I appreciate the Latin - The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms not he who denies. (Google translation) Here's the problem as I see it. Einstein's attempt to demonstrate that the Lorentz transformations correctly associate his "at rest" observer observations with those of his "moving" observer observations, which I discussed in an earlier post regarding his use of a stripped down Michelson interferometer, is fundamentally flawed. The fact that he immediately jumps from there into successfully applying the Lorentz transformations to many physical problems raises real doubts in my mind about the foundations of SR. I hope to develop these thoughts in future posts.
17. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

Studiot, thank you for your reply to my question - "Without invoking the mathematics of the the Lorentz transformations, is there a way to match an observation by observers in one reference frame with an observation by observers in the other reference frame?" To review, I used this question as a lead-in to my story about a charged ball on a speeding train exposed to an external magnetic field, and how the "at rest" observer sees that the ball begins to vertically loop, while the "moving" observer, riding on the train, sees that the ball begins to hop toward the rear of the train. I then wrote about how one could imagine inserting a firecracker in the ball and striking it with a laser beam to set off the firecracker. Both observers would then have a fixed point in spacetime about which they could compare notes. I had taken the idea from Einstein's light flash in his original paper. My story was part of a presentation I had developed some time back as a way of introducing high school students to Special Relativity. I worked around the idea of bringing the students into the story by having one group imagine that they were the research team in the "rest" frame that applied the magnetic field while the other group imagined that they were on the train with the ball. It turned out to be useful imagery, and I found myself falling back on it from time to time. in fact, I just referenced it again in a post I submitted last week to a thread discussing the SR twin story.
18. ## Twins paradox explained without forces

md65536 - Interesting observation. I wasn't aware of this distinction. Thank you for clearing it up for me.
19. ## Twins paradox explained without forces

Just a thought in passing - Twin tales have been part of the Special Relativity public-discussion canon going back to the original Einstein paper. The message is always that the observer in the “moving” frame is aging slower than the observer in the “rest” frame. In my studies of situations where I apply the Lorentz transformations to move from one frame to the other, I’ve noted that on occasion the result is reversed. Below, I present an example of each case. Application 1 - Retarded Decays of Speeding Unstable Particles Let’s imagine that the unstable particle is at rest on your train, which is moving at speed 0.8c relative to me standing on the platform. Suppose you observe that the particle decays over a time interval t’, while I observe that the particle decays over a time period t. If we position the particle at the origin of coordinates in your frame, we may set its x’-displacement equal to 0. Then the Lorentz time transformation from your frame to my frame takes the same form as the classic time dilation formula and for your decay time t’ equal to, say, 24 units of time with v = 0.8c, my decay time t equals 40 units of time. So, you, standing in the “moving” frame are aging slower than I, standing in the “rest” frame. Award One Point to the Twin Tales. Application 2 - The Exploding Ball I would like to return now to the a situation I described in another post. I am again standing on the platform while you are on a speeding train moving at 0.8c. Next to you is a charged ball containing a small firecracker. I apply a strong magnetic field across the track causing the ball to undergo a series of vertical loops as I perceive the motion, while you perceive the motion as a series of “pogo stick” hops. Once the ball starts looping as I perceive it, and hopping as you perceive it, I zap the ball with a laser beam and set off the firecracker. Pow!!! The ball explodes at an object point (t,x,y,z) in my frame and at the corresponding image point (t’,x’,y’,z’) in your frame, where the object-image coordinates satisfy the Lorentz transformations. Now let's make it easy on ourselves. Suppose I zap the ball at the bottom or top of a loop, so I have no x-displacement to deal with, and suppose my clock reads 24 units of time at the moment the ball explodes, in whatever units of time are appropriate to our measurements. Here, with a zero x-displacement, the Lorentz time transformation takes the same form as the classic time dilation formula referenced above, and so your clock will read 40 time-units. So, I, standing in the “rest” frame, am aging slower than you, standing in the “moving” frame. Deduct One Point from the Twin Tales. So perhaps the best that can be said is that whether the observer in the “moving” frame is aging slower than the observer in the “rest” frame, or vice-versa, depends on the specifics of the experiment under consideration.
20. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

I want to apologize to the Forum for the abrupt way in which I exited from this thread several months ago. Time has passed, whatever was troubling me has been resolved, and I would like to continue to offer my thoughts on Special Relativity. In particular, I would like to focus the attention of the Forum on the following question: What is the underlying physical foundation upon which SR rests? Or simply - Why does Special Relativity work so well? This will require a new thread, which I hope to begin sometime in the future.
21. ## A Stat Mech Story

The other day, my wife and I visited a coffee house near the University of Alabama campus. As we were leaving, I noticed a young coed slowly and very apprehensively turning over the cover page of a textbook. I saw that the title of the book was “Statistical Mechanics”. “Oh”, I exclaimed. “they’re still teaching that!” The young coed immediately looked up at me with an expression bordering on total fear. I have no idea what she was thinking, but I quickly said “That was my favorite subject! Good for you!” Her face exploded in one big smile, ear to ear. So, physics isn’t so hard. It just takes a little encouragement to bite into it.

23. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

When I joined this forum, I was hoping for the chance to engage in an intelligent conversation about issues in Special Relativity that have confused new students for decades. Instead, I have found myself talking to walls. So I will be exiting from this forum, but I want to leave three parting thoughts: Thought 1 - Despite how many people say it for other people to hear, despite how many people write it for other people to read, despite how many people key it for other people to link to - The Fact of Nature that the speed of light is the same in all inertial frames plays NO role in explaining the successful application of Special Relatively to solving physical problems! It is a Red Herring! There is another Fact of Nature at work here. What other Fact of Nature? Well, I’ve hidden it in plain sight in Thought 2. Thought 2 - "Slip slidin' away. Slip slidin' away. The nearer your destination, The more you're slip slidin' away." - Paul Simon I've been hoping to offer some thoughts on "relativistic mass" - the notion that mass increases with increasing speed. It's common to come across the statement that accelerating a particle becomes more difficult as particle speed approaches c because "particle mass approaches infinity". I prefer to state the issue differently. I would say that accelerating a particle becomes more difficult as particle speed approaches c because the external field responsible for the acceleration loses effectiveness as the particle speed approaches the speed at which the field mechanisms function. This, of course, offers an explanation for why light speed forms a limiting speed in nature. An old boot can travel no faster through the water than the maximum speed at which the fisherman can reel in the line. Whenever I think about this phenomenon, Paul Simon's song comes to mind. The speeding particle slips and slides away from the grasp of the external field. Thought 3 - I can’t leave this forum without saying something about time dilation. It has always puzzled me that while the physics community easily accepts that time dilation effects in General Relativity relate in some way to the interaction between the time-keeping system and the surrounding gravitational field, the analogous time dilation effects in Special Relativity are viewed as “just so”. Well, I have never cared much for a “just so” story. But I do hold the view that Nature does not care at all for a “just so” story. Something is going on out there! In the most dominant example - the retarded decays of unstable particles moving at speeds close to light speed - I again must fall back on my belief that these effects are in some way a consequence, in ways not at all understood, of the rapid motion of the particles through surrounding electric and magnetic fields. I hold (and this is where Special Relativity exhibits its most severe vulnerability as it is commonly described) that no physical effect can occur as a consequence of merely moving at a uniform speed in an inertial frame of reference. And now, from sunny Alabama (a state in the USA, refer Rand McNally maps, circa 1934), I happily say GOODBYE, Y’ALL!! ROLL TIDE!!

25. ## Another way of looking at Special Relativity

I too have been a teacher at various points in my life and, if on any given day, I found that I had held the attention of my students, prodded their curiosity, and possibly stimulated their imagination, I went home that night feeling that I had a very good day. I would imagine you have had days like that also. Teaching is not easy, particularly as the ideas become more abstract and removed from the students' day-to-day experiences. That's one reason I feel there is value in giving students alternative ways to view a problem. and the conceptual problems posed by Special Relativity definitely could use an alternative viewpoint. And if this viewpoint is grounded in their sense of two separate experiments conducted in the same laboratory, I believe a that good number of students would benefit from this viewpoint and find that they would be more open to arguments drawn from the conventional viewpoint of one experiment and two laboratories moving uniformly relative to each other at near-light speeds.
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