interested

9 hours ago, dstebbins said:

Everyone sits down before anyone takes a bite. Everyone usually says grace before they begin eating. You keep your lips closed when chewing, and don't reach across the table for a plate, but instead ask someone to pass it to you.

Now, if cats had a set procedure for playing with their food - e.g. they usually began by swinging it around by the tail, then gave it a chance to run away before catching it again, and usually in that exact order - that would constitute a ritual.

Saying grace is a religious practice used by some religious groups. Most human animals do not practice this. Eating with your mouth closed I guess is a social thing which my family do, but if your food is still alive and trying to get away whilst you are trying to eat it what does it matter if you have your mouth open. If you are at a buffet with total strangers and want something from a plate you may ask people to move out of the way to get at what you want to eat, but you arent going to say to a bunch of strangers talking and obstructing your food, excuse me but do you mind passing me a twiglet for example.

Animals such as humans and elephants are known to mourn their dead, ie they can be upset due to the loss of pet human or other animal. Many mammals get very upset at the loss of a family member. In time of war many soldiers fight risking their lives to protect comrades, as do many other animals who protect their young risking their own liveswhen another animal is trying to kill them.

Dolphins and whales are known to herd their food allowing other members of the family group to swim into the herded food and eat it sometimes with their mouths open. Filter feeders need to eat with their mouths open, but find it easier if the food has been concentrated by other family members first. (Would shoaling be a better word than herding when referencing fish.)

Children play with their food and can be very cruel to animals, many humans in the past have been watched with great amusement as animals and other humans kill each other in gladiatorial fights to the death, see for instance the colliseum in Rome, it was a huge arena built for just this purpose.

Many animals exhibit the same emotions as other species of animals like humans. Dogs can be taught not to do things you dont like as children can be taught to do what is socially acceptable to the parents or other family members, most people do not make their children say grace except in religious communities. I am not aware of any animals saying grace either. 

Many animals play with each other  which is a way of bonding seen especially in mammals. Humans are mammals also and often play together, just like other animals. Humans who group together under one religious/political/family group idea often use their idea of group to attack another group, killing and maiming but feel it is OK because they have a different religion or political ideology. Animals are generally more civilized and have not been known to murder millions of their species because of religious or political differences for instance, they dont say grace either. 

34 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

You can't add to inner peace, any more than you can add more beer to a full pint, but you can be careful you don't spill any

Its poets (piss off early tomorrows saturday) day, and a good time to have a few, which are best emptiedand not kept full, if one wants to increase your sense of inner peace d ed ness.

have a good one

11 minutes ago, CharonY said:

You'll have to be careful, the pharmacokinetics are not trivial. For grapefruit and related fruits (e.g. pomelo) the main mechanism is blocking of an enzyme (CYP3A4) that is relevant for the breakdown of drugs (and metabolites). I.e. the fruit blocks its activity and the drug sticks around longer than it should. This effect can take a long time to wear off. A secondary effect, that is also seen in orange juice, shows an opposite effect. They reduce the uptake of drugs from the intestines into the bloodstream. So the net effect (either increasing or decreasing the target dose) depends on the drug and the amount you are taking. So the situation is not quite straightforward.

However, specifically for beta blockers I have only seen three examples published (grapefruit, orange and apple juice) that have shown reduced uptake. The assumption is that naringin-like substances may responsible. In grapefruit juice, naringin was found to block a specific transporter, but to my knowledge in organge and apple juice the precise component is not known. 

 

Thanks for that Narangin is also found in seville oranges https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149291812004882

2 hours ago, StringJunky said:

If you have cause for concern, don't take them  within  2 hours of each other, which is roughly about how long stuff stays in the stomach. Better off asking your doctor if interactions are possible.

I did and payed privately to see a specialist, who did extensive tests. He told me to increase from 2mg to 4mg perondopril. The tests I had only showed two anomolies apart from my BP being high. Raised LDL cholesterol treatable with statins but was told since I was on a diet, I could expect raised LDL cholesterol as a side effect. The other was raised acid levels in the urine, which the specialist was not concerned about.

The raised acid levels may have been due to the amount of oranges, and marmalade compote I was consuming. Compote in yogurt is very nice.

I now have had a trawl of the internet and have confirmed that seville oranges used for marmalade are as bad as grapefruit for blocking the effects of ace inhibitors. Better still my BP is now down to 106/82. I might have to reduce my perondopril back to 2mg if the pressure keeps dropping.

I thought it might be interesting to know how various chemicals in foods can block or increase the effect of drugs. Reliable information is hard to find, and even if you see a specialist they dont always know never mind a GP. 

44 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

What choice does a slave have?

acceptance

23 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Anger and hate can be useful if directed at situations rather than people, for instance, I can be angry and hate what greedy people do (whilst understanding why they do it) but if enough of us direct those emotions towards a solution we might solve it. 

Fear, I think, is self-evident at the appropriate time and place.

Jealousy can, at a reasonable level, remind a partner of appropriate behaviour and our feelings and help cement the relationship.

Guilt can remind us of the mistakes we (ALL) make and gives us an opportunity to better/redeem ourselves.

Revenge, now that is a tricky one because our natural urge is to hurt them as they hurt you, and at the appropriate level that is justice; an eye for an eye (you steal my cow and I take one of yours) but the urge is strong and tends to lead to an over-reaction (because we want to be sure you feel the same level of pain) so we take two.

Inner peace is as much about understanding others as it is about understanding oneself.

Anger Hate FearJealousy are all feelings that dont add to inner peace or happiness.

12 hours ago, StringJunky said:

the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence

Are these particles just virtual particles perhaps due to wave interactions forming a peak giving sufficient energy to appear as a particle but are in fact just interacting waves passing each other in opposite directions perhaps? If they exist only fleetingly could they be the missing mass attributed to dark matter in the universe, ie they are there on average if you take the RMS value of a sine waveform you have a value that otherwise would be zero if you only took the mean.

Edit Things might appear to pop into and out of existence for someone living in a flatland could 4 dimensional space be considered flatland when looking at string theory

I have recently being having a problem with my blood pressure, my medication appeared not to be working, the doctors increased the dose but still it was high 150/105 resting pulse 90 typically. I had put this down to increased stress via builder from hell. I use perondopril 4mg + indapomide 1.25mgIs there any correlation between eating oranges and drugs not working

I am aware grapefruits stop heart medication working. Last year my wife got into jam making using oranges, figs etc. My neighbour also has orange trees and has also been giving me bags full of oranges to eat. For the last two days I have stopped eating oranges and not eaten any more jams made by my wife. My blood pressure this morning was back down to 130/85 pulse 65. which is normal for me when my medication is working. 

Is there a list of fruits or other foods that can block heart medication from working.

I suspect my wife may have been killing me with kindness literally  

On 3/6/2018 at 6:06 PM, interested said:

Does space exist anywhere without virtual particles? 

Could an area of space be generated without virtual particles in it, or in some way remove them, I think not.

I think I agree. However the volume of space is affected by gravity waves as seen by ligo, these gravity waves alter the dimensions of everything they pass

What was intriguing me was if an amount of quantum fluctuations could be reduced or absorbed in someway would it cause a distortion of space like gravity would the volume of space decrease or increase with less or more quantum fluctuations or virtual gravitons. Could quantum fluctuations of one form or another appearing in space away from mass be the cause of dark energy. Could those be virtual gravitons. 

 

Edit could just over the event horizon of a black hole be considered a perfect vacuum or does hawking radiation stuff that thought.

 

I dunno, but some clever folk suggest I might be partly right. I will give myself a mark for trying. 

Has any one got any idea how the vacuum of space would behave with 8 possible spacial dimensions as in string theory. Simply I would say much like space behaves today, with virtual particles/quantum fluctuations appearing to appear from nowhere and disappear again, governed by some uncertainty or other principle.

14 hours ago, naitche said:

I would also say acceptance is the answer.

Acceptance is for slaves, never give in Non det in, nunca ceda, Ne illegitimi carborundum te, etc etc etc.

9 minutes ago, koti said:

Without anger, hate, fear we’d all be dead as a specie

All animals feel these feelings, what makes them happy is not being bothered by other animals that want things from them they are not willing to give. Ie life money food belief gas etc.

On 3/4/2018 at 11:50 AM, dimreepr said:

"He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature." - Socrates quotes 

I did not reaalize beggars were so rich, I had thought some were trying to con me or were having problems. Now I know they are loaded and dont need to help them any more. I wonder if my builder will be content if I dont pay him.  Could Socrates have been wrong. ???????????????????

Edit: I posted a hell of a lot more than this but it vanished, I had answered both the previous 2 posts extensively before this last comment.

10 hours ago, koti said:

 

I don’t know about you dimreepr and interested but for me, humour is a vital part of inner peace.

Having said that, it is worth mentioning that being too content with yourself might be a catalyst for becoming single. 

Yep humour is always good, it is always better to laugh than cry. A good wake with plenty of alcohol has a mix of both laughter and tears and helps the living along and enhance inner peace.

Being too content and trusting what people say is what leads to being taken advantage and hence the loss of inner peace I am currently experiencing.  

Ps Always judge builders, politicians, lawyers, architects, all manifestations of life, etc by actions not slippery words, and never pay anything in advance unless you are a sucker. 

Ps never take your wife to speak to the lawyers they (the lawyers) charge by the minute and cost almost as much as being married  

8 hours ago, swansont said:

Space does not need virtual particles to "support" it. 

 

Does space exist anywhere without virtual particles? 

Could an area of space be generated without virtual particles in it, or in some way remove them, I think not.

21 hours ago, StringJunky said:

i think, probably, a volume of virtual particles is the emptiest you can get.

I think I agree. However the volume of space is affected by gravity waves as seen by ligo, these gravity waves alter the dimensions of everything they pass

What was intriguing me was if an amount of quantum fluctuations could be reduced or absorbed in someway would it cause a distortion of space like gravity would the volume of space decrease or increase with less or more quantum fluctuations or virtual gravitons. Could quantum fluctuations of one form or another appearing in space away from mass be the cause of dark energy. Could those be virtual gravitons. 

Edit could just over the event horizon of a black hole be considered a perfect vacuum or does hawking radiation stuff that thought.

5 hours ago, dimreepr said:

 

Not really, no. As I explained after that quote (in my previous post) but let me clarify.

"He is richest who is content with the least..."

The bolded part is my point because we can't, survive on nothing and we all have desires; for instance, I would love an Aston Martin but I'm content to walk.

But you wanted to please your wife...

You had choices:

Cut your loss' and sack the builder.

Cut your loss' and sell the cottage.

Accept the situation and hope it works out.

Leave your wife.

A contented mind looks for a solution to a problem, if it has one then attempt to solve it, and if it doesn't accept the problem; either way, don't worry because worry is the enemy of content.

I have considered all the options, I will let my wife know your views, but I think I will hang onto her. 

On 3/4/2018 at 11:50 AM, dimreepr said:

As I, and others in this thread, have explained, it's not a state of eternal bliss, it's a state of mind that enables one to deal with stressful people and situations with a minimum of fuss.

I would tend to agree with this but the builder I have is enough to drive anyone insane, for reasons beyond the scope of this thread. 

On 3/4/2018 at 11:50 AM, dimreepr said:

"He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature." - Socrates quotes 

I agree with this also

On 3/3/2018 at 7:36 PM, interested said:

Inner Peace IMO is only attainable when you are in a stress free state, which can only be arrived at when you have no wants or desires.

The above is in line with Socrates but I understand it is also from Buddhism, not that I do religion. I had no wants or desires but my wife wanted me to buy a cottage needing serious renovation, thats when a builder got involved and before I new it, like I said the rest is beyond the scope of this thread or forum. 

On 1/18/2018 at 1:43 PM, swansont said:

Because virtual particles pop into and out of existence everywhere, it makes no sense to talk of an empty space within atoms.

Rule 1. A perfect vacuum doesn't exist. 
If you have a question about a perfect vacuum, see rule 1.

Could an area of empty space exist without quantum fluctuations to support it. ie does space need quantum fluctuations in the form of virtual particles/gravitons to support it. When gravity waves pass by LIGO space expands and contracts. How would you define an area of space for a perfect vacuum if the volume changes depending on the amount of gravity that it experiences. Absolute zero can not be reached because of virtual particles popping into and out of existence, if they stopped popping into and out existence would that space still exist. ?

Rule 1. A perfect vacuum can not exist because if their was no virtual particles popping into and out of existence in an area of space then that space would not exist either ? Maybe  

Inner Peace IMO is only attainable when you are in a stress free state, which can only be arrived at when you have no wants or desires.

Inner peace can not be achieved when you employ the builders from hell or anyone who does not follow your plan, ie to gain inner peace you must avoid at all costs fuckwits and people that cause you stress. These states of stress can be avoided of course by employing reliable people or doing everything your self. However this does not lead to a state of relaxation. Alcohol has been mentioned as a way to inner peace d ness, this in large quantities can induce depression, head aches and unwanted pregnancies following the drinking session. I have found of late taking 1 Diazepam  one hour before meeting stressful people (builders from hell)  inner peace can be maintained without risking a stroke or heart attack. Drinking does not help blood pressure or inner peace. 

I will have inner peace again in the future when the builder from hell gets out my house, and I complete the rest of the work myself, or with the help of friends, and a moderate amount of alcohol.

46 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

So, you plan to let them starve.

I thought this thread was dead.

Why should we help anyone.Why should anyone, even consider helping anyone from Somalia or any other 3rd world pais como Somalia. 

In the zero energy universe theory matter and antimatter are assumed to both have positive energy, which is cancelled by a -ve energy in the form of gravity, giving the total energy of the universe a value of near zero. Heres a couple of links https://www.astrosociety.org/publication/a-universe-from-nothing/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe. The whole idea seems to be that some quantum fluctuations became excitations, ie virtual particles became real particles. 

30 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

Is it so hard to imagine that a billion atoms of antimatter annihilate against one billion AND ONE matter atoms, leaving a tiny majority as matter?

The result of the annihilation would still be +ve energy in the form of gamma rays, and that energy has to come from somewhere, unless it was always there. 

1 hour ago, interested said:

I could be wrong, but climate change is going to happen slowly so as normal people do not really realize its happening in their lifetime, the global disasters will be in areas like Bangladesh where the best part of an entire country could find itself under water.

Which countries will accept huge numbers of people from very different cultures as refugees, and which countries have the capacity to do it.

etc

Its sunday tommrw you are screwed  unless you get your finger out.

 

I just realized you posted 2nd feb if you havent come up with some thing by now you have had it already.

47 minutes ago, interested said:

I understand home schooling globally is typically funded by the parents not by governments.

4 minutes ago, swansont said:

Private schools. Not home schooling.

Private schools are in general paid for mostly by parents/guardians but do gain subsidies from governments, home schooling does not gain government funding as far as I am aware, although guessing if home schoolers comply with government guidelines in some countries they may get some financial help. Some countries do not allow home schooling and it is against the law to keep children out of state school.

I am an engineer not a school teacher or an american so will comment no further on this subject.

29 minutes ago, swansont said:

This, as well. 

The power of editing is surreal, like my comment.  

1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

This suggestion has the added conservative benefit of pushing private vouchers for education, so the public can pay for private schooling. If they can get scared parents to push for home school funding, the extremist capitalists can finally destroy public education entirely. Coupled with not having to restrict gun sales, it's a strategy that will appeal to many. I'm sure you'll see this suggestion being pushed by the far right, if it isn't already. 

I understand home schooling globally is typically funded by the parents not by governments. This is a completely separate topic from the OP

I think you may have missed my various points, all large gatherings of people are vulnerable to nutters with guns/explosives, if the guns/explosives are available. The solution I have been trying to infer is restricting the availabilty of guns in America in a similar way as to what has been implemented in the rest of the world via a change in the law. 

Why dont people walk down the street in America with sticks of Dynamite blowing each other up. Does a form of regulation apply to its use and distribution that could be applied to guns. 

48 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

Got any evidence for that?
It seems to me that learning to share + debate with your peers in school is a vital part of learning.

It also provides an understanding of other people and, at least  to a degree, other cultures.

I think so, but since they are kids, and they can converse with adults who are there peers in a social environment on many subjects, I guess you will have to go and find some home schooled individuals to chat to and compare the conversation with the grunts you get from kids who are only used to conversing with kids who are not their peers and only know about the world round them. 

How you gain an understanding of the world depends on how much of it you have experienced, and who teaches you what to believe. This thread is about guns in schools, were you or anyone else ever taught guns are gooooood things to have. I note your location is England so I guess you may have shot some pheasants or clay pigeons perhaps with a shot gun but are unlikely to have had hold of a pistol or assault rifle unless you have been in the forces. 

I suggested earlier that the gun idea in the states is the result of education, ie was trump taught guns are goood and you get one like a car when you are a grown up as a right of passage.

Edit Ediitt

OH Big business in the US is now joining the battle against the NRA, they are cancelling discounts so that NRA members will have to pay the same as everyone else who is not a member of a lobby group in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43181337

On 2/2/2018 at 11:23 PM, StudentofMyWorld said:

I am an undergrad student who is in a class a little outside of my wheelhouse - Public Safety RESEARCH and Technology. I'm a great writer and analyst. I'm not so good at research, I mean primary research. I'm trying to work up a hypothesis on the effects of climate change on emergency planning or emergency preparedness or emergency mitigation efforts. Or,hell, even how one of the latter three relates to the first. I really don't know. Once I have the hypothesis, I'll be able to do any necessary additional research, but I'm having a total mental meltdown and block trying to design a research question. I don't know if anyone can help with this or if this is too high of an aspiration, but I have to ask. I need to write a 2 page research proposal by Sunday (which I can do if I nail down a hypothesis or research question) and I've already written an annotated bibliography with tons of sources, but I don't know what to do with them that makes sense. I'm just stuck. I have no one with whom I can talk this out and I really think that dialogue could shake something loose. Thank you in advance.

I could be wrong, but climate change is going to happen slowly so as normal people do not really realize its happening in their lifetime, the global disasters will be in areas like Bangladesh where the best part of an entire country could find itself under water.

Which countries will accept huge numbers of people from very different cultures as refugees, and which countries have the capacity to do it.

etc

Its sunday tommrw you are screwed  unless you get your finger out.

1 minute ago, swansont said:

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Moderator Note

No. Stick to the topic outlined in the OP.

 

OK understood I will still stop cross correlating links given with the topic of the OP. 

On 2/22/2018 at 7:59 PM, Ten oz said:

What can schools do? 

Perhaps if American law is going to be changed in the light of political opinion in American politics. Parents might think about sending their kids to school in bullet proof vests and anti stab jackets instead of with pack up lunches bibs and a packet crayons.

Self schooling has become popular in some parts of the world and seems effective at producing balanced individuals, perhaps self schooling might be safer in the US. Removing the schools that the NRA think are vulnerable targets to sell weapons to might move the problem from schools to shopping centres, sports grounds, concert arenas or any large collection of people any where in the states. 

If law does not change to curtail mentally deranged peoples ability to get weapons ie people that want to kill, then the US is stuck in a rut. 

3 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

If you want to buy more than 8 grams of the stuff at a time you do need to convince a trained pharmacist that you have a legitimate need for it.

I think that's a control we have had in place longer than the US's ban on it.

An important distinction is that it's very hard to kill someone else with paracetamol, and a "killing  spree" is pretty much impossible.

Yup but with paracetamol I dont have to take them all at once. Although as I am recovering from actual flu at the moment, not a cold 1000mg paracetamol cut the gripe for me. I had no arguments from the pharmacist, and they help. In the US I would need a appointment with a doctor and a prescription. The cost of which would most likely make me  want to die. It might be cheaper to go to Walmart and buy a gun to shoot myself. Packet of Antigripe paracetomol 8 euros 4 days suppy 

50 minutes ago, Strange said:

Virtual gravitons carry the gravitational force (not gravitational waves).

ER ! The gravitational force causes the stretching of space, gravitational waves cause the stretching of space, why are they not the same thing. A wave can move by expansion and compression or its effects can be felt by absorption like water going down a plug hole.  

54 minutes ago, Strange said:

There is not obvious connection between gravitational waves and virtual gravitons.

If the gravity force is infinite in range and mediated by the graviton then the virtual graviton  must exist everywhere. (unless it does not exist at all, everywhere) 

Would it be easier to state all forces are carried by virtual particles/waves which exist in space alongside all manner of other quantum fluctuations which may or may not exist in multiple dimensions. These virtual particles are absorbed by either mass magnets fundamental particles etc and cause all fundamental forces.

Still reading your link above and cross correlating against other things, just to add confusion. Do you have an opinion on the Higgs field and how it interacts if at all with string theory, the pop science links seem a trifle conflicting, ie not helpful.