Raider5678

No. Well maybe they could use 1 safe if they aren't very rich, but at least 1 safe, and they can only have a gun that fits inside their safe. No rifles if you only have a pistol safe.

So you would just accept that life just is. There's nothing special about it, nothing seperating us from the rock ouisde our doors. Also, the bible says we have the ability to reason, which puts us above animals. I believe in God. The christian God. If you don't, that's fine, and if I do, what does of matter? I still get great grades, and I am not a irrational murderous lunatic as people would have you believe. Christians are discriminated against, Muslims are accepted, and life goes on. They blamed a christian movie for a terrorist attack. There's always things we can find wrong with something. And since there are inconsistences in the bible, maybe you think its wrong, but I don't. So I ask a question to you. Why did christians let them selves be tortured, crucified, murdered, slaughtered, boiled alive, just because of something that couldn't be true because of science. What is it about christians that people hate so much that they would kill, mutilate, and torture them?

To mention something, I'll dig another trap and jump in to see what happens. I AM a kid. I was taught what guns are, how to safely use them, and to NEVER touch one without their permission. Now we keep it inside a large gun safe, downstairs, that you can't get to quietly. None of the guns are loaded, the ammunition is all separate and at a different spot in another safe, and nobody knows the passwords to either of the safes. Now is this proper gun control in your opinion?

I looked at it, didn't get a chance to read ALL of it. I think we have a pretty diverse set of people here already don't you think? Either way, necromancing this thread doesn't really seem like a ideal option to me, I kind of want to start a thread solely for the purpose of designing a government, what do you think? P.S. While I don't really agree with all your political opinions, you are quite reasonable IMO. So is phi. We may not be able to get it perfect, but we can do everything we can to think of what may come. Consider cloning. It might be controversial in the future, so we could decided what to do now, though it may be a little odd.... And balancing is something I think possible. There's always going g to be stubborn people unwilling to change, but we should probably accept their input, and if they refuse to do anything but state one thing, we just ignore him for that part. Either way, that's why we would debate on an agreeable position. Besides who's to say we won't debate on government structure and stuff like that?

Well, I figured we would all debate on disagreeable issues until we came to an agreeable position on this issue. I.E. gun control, we debate and end up with guns allowed, but require extensive background checks, proper storage placements, tiggerlocks, etc. Which don't discuss this, its just an example.

We should make a topic and design the perfect government.

Thanks +1 simple and helpful.

Bad teacher lol. So ONLY public things? Not your paycheck becoming everyone's to share, or everyone getting paid the same amount?

That may be accurate, but theirs NO plasma in the test. Look, the only thing that touches your mouth is the cotton swab. The other vials are securely protected and separated from the cotton swab, and if they DID manage to break, the doctor wouldn't have used them. If they had been placed on the cotton swab, you could pump gallons of the stuff into a bath tub, hop in, and not have a remote chance of getting hiv. They also don't use lab grown viruses to make the peptides, they are amino acids that bond easily to HIV, which makes them detect if there is HIV in your bodily fluids. And by the way, they wouldn't be able to survive manufacturing and shipping unless it became airborne, which it HASN'T, Just to be clear. So someone with HIV could have licked that thing, and you could have almost no chance of catching it. And since it wasn't licked, obviously, you are next to guaranteed to have not gotten it. Also, stop researching HIV, and anything related to it. That's feeding your OCD and making you scared about things that couldn't have happened.

I asked a teacher what Socialism was when I was in 2nd grade. Her explanation was that its a place where everyone is equal in more then just the fact that they are created equal. She said as an example, imagine 5 people applied for a college scholarship. There were 50 scholarships in the first place, but only 49 were left. The 5 kids were on different levels academically, 1 was failing, 1 had D's, 1 had C's, the next had B's, and the final had A's. The college scholarships would have to be evenly distributed. 10 to failing students, 10 to D's, 10 to C's, 10 to B's, 10 to A's. But the final one left would have to go to a failing student. So in a summary, nobody gets an advantage, even if they work harder then the other people. Thats how I learned it, and from what I have seen, that's what I still think it is. Is this wrong?

Our ideas of a good balance may differ, but we agree that there should at least a mix of all 3. In my own opinion, I like voting for presidents rather then letting a dictator rule in my opinion, by if you don't agree, I don't think theres much of an argument either of us could make to oppose each other. Though from reason your post it seems like your asking me why I changed my mind when I never did. Read that quote. I said its better then a dictatorship and you are asking me why its not better then a dictatorship.... And while we both agree that all governments eventually get corrupted, why does it matter if it slowly got more corrupted? All governments eventually get here if they live long enough, so its not like its better then communism. And as a final point before I back out of this political discussion, I think the best ideals for a government would be mostly capatilist, some communism and a tiny bit of socialism.

This, I agree with. Though I think Capitalist influence is slightly better then the 1900s, with child labor laws having to be passed, labor laws, some good laws were passed in my opinion, though I think we are a a fairly decently balanced point currently. The corrupt political problem on the other hand..... Not really doing the best. People with more money tend to have more say. Do you agree? A communistic democracy...... I'm not liking that idea very much, but I guess its better then a dictatorship. Education, energy, military, and healthcare. Thats about all imo.

I was looking at the site until I saw THIS at the top. That's an advertisement site that's selling anti bible posters.... They make money searching for ANYTHING that could even come CLOSE to a contradiction, or something that didn't line up to modern morals. To be honest, a lot of past laws don't line up with modern morals, like SLAVERY for example. Are you going to say that ALL past countries up until modern times were evil because they had slaves?

Dude, none of your arguments are making sense. By hey, I want to play. I can't see you, so you don't exist. You know, its kind of hard living life by that logic huh?

Huh, I always thought fire gave off light too. I guess it conflicts with science. Oh well. There also evidence of a "super tsunami" that might be the great flood. And classes of things don't really count. For a LONG time people classified anything that flew and wasn't an insect a bird, so if after a while we separated everything, would the bible have to magically change too? It worked until we separate mammals and reptiles. http://creation.com/do-rabbits-chew-their-cud Yeah, you see the Hebrew language wasn't the most advanced. To them, hand ment from your finger tips to your elbow, which what, your going to claim the bible is wrong because the Hebrew language doesn't translate well?

Any examples?

Evil liar Not really. That thought experiment was just something that had occured to me and I got the stupid idea of mentioning it. My bad.

Well, tell you what. I haven't heard of a single scientist who successfully proved that there could be no God. As in christian. Have at it. Its incredibly hard to even prove that things in the bible don't add up. Considering it WAS written over a LONG period of time, its unlikely that EVERYTHING in there would add up, but it does. Its kind of hard to understand, and I'm sure some atheist scientist on this site will claim "Russell's teacup!" or something, but that's my personal opinion. Now this is religion, but as for science, most of these guys know what they're talking about, but if its not science, then it turns the same way most debates turn. Just into an argument that doesn't get anywhere.

Mmhmm. From the post following that one, it seemed like you were just gonna run off and assume I'm 100% capitalist. Anyway, since just about everyone agreed that Fidel Castro and Joseph Stalin were some bad examples of communism, and while they did accomplish some good, they mostly did bad, unless you want to argue? Your kind of good at missing the big picture. So lets bring up our next candidate. Kim Jong-un. Does anyone think he is good at what he does? Good point. I'll try and stay neutral next time. Either way, I like capitalist ideals, but I'm not a capitalist from here on out. I also like a few good communist ideals, like actually spending tax payers money on something that can help, like roads, bridges, etc. As for Phi I'm trying to figure out which team hes on.

At which point did I claim to be 100% capatilist? Its also funny how you ignore my 2 most recent post but you will gladly dig around foe something to divert attention from the main point. Either way, I agree 100% capatilism isn't that great, but I can't say i'm "50% capatilist, 12% Communist" etc. What I meant by that i's that for the most part I like capatilist ideals. I figured you would have the commonsense to figure that out. P.S. now you implied that I'm 100% capatilist, thanks a lot. Uh hu.... Nice, real nice Delta. Refer to my previous point. I'm assuming you weren't risen against your current "multi-variabled calculus spectrum embedded existence" idea. Which would mean you live in a "one dimension all binary world" too. Because anything we say will be completely overridden by your stuborness that your parents political point is the ONLY way. I will always understand what its like. P.S. I'm on a tablet, which probably means typos and grammar mistakes. Please DO NOT point them out, I will fix them later. Some success. Mostly just bad. Also why do people down vote just because somebody doesn't immediately convert to their political ideas. Sounds like cuba. Only 1 political opinion or else -.-

Yeah, I like making the challenge hard to achieve. Makes my argument seem better when certain people who don't think quite like you look at it. Considering the other side of the argument does it, I just play alon and do it too. A lot like politics.

They also signed a pact, that's true. Then they found out what Hitler was doing, as did the rest of the world, and offered support to poland should the Germans invade. Though it's also true just shouting Hitler doesn't make someone bad, if they killed 20 million people that kind of just makes them seem worse Personal opinion. Other then that I do agree with you. Does anyone know of a country that successfully used communism? I mean, usually a government works for the first couple of years before corruption sets in, but do you know of any communist country that lasted more than 100 years before corruption basically FULLY ran the government?

I'm a capitalist. I am hired by someone, to do work, because they have the right to own a business because of capitalism. Now I'm not saying that all communist nations "nationalize"(makes it sound better then stealing huh?), but a considerate portion of them do. Also, no offense, but defending Fidel Castro doesn't seem like a good idea.. No offense. But fine, since Cuba and anything related to it is red herrings, then let's ignore the bad and the good. Let's talk Joseph Stalin. You know, the communist who killed 20,000,000 people? I'm sure your going to find some way to defend that portion of his actions, but let's see what he accomplished as a communist. Made men and women equal..... Not bad, pretty good. Forced them both to work on the same labor jobs...... not the best. Signed a nonaggression pact with HITLER.... Sounds fun, you know, not trying tostop Nazi's from murdering people.(I'm sure your gonna say they're just misunderstood, Killing anyone who's not a Ayrian is just one mistake right?) And he WAS a communist, so hes not a red herring.

My bad. I was eating lunch when I posted this. Replace "everyone" with "Cuban Refugees" Considering 1.1 million have fled.... Out of about 12 million Cubans...... IS that a large percentage or am I just imagining that?

Ok...... I personally am wondering what everyone inside Cuba were thinking. I mean, I don't think they ran away, put their lives in danger, left loved ones, and crossed an ocean risking jail and torture for the rest of their life, just because the US said they were bad. I mean, that's just an opinion. But hey, free electricity!