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There is no missing dollar, and there is no "29" it should all add up to.

The 2 dollar the bellboy has are part of the 27 paid by the guests, not 29.

What equipment is needed to create this "dual optical system" you used to spot and film these anomalies ?

If somebody builds a weather-control-machine, and someone else develops mindcontrol-powers due to genetic engineering, and then uses those powers to control the person who possesses the weather-control-machine,

doet it still count as using genetic engineering to control the weather ?

to be a significantly large change?

A significantly large change to what ?

The global economy would off course be bigger, as that's the sum of the "local" economies.

Whether on one hand the Africans would be helped, or on the other hand the US or NATO(why a military organization and a country dominated by it's military-industrial complex, btw ? why not EU for example? ) would gain something is more complicated, it'd depend on the goals of this industrialization in itself(which would depend on the goals of the investors and their partners)

Maybe it helps to look at what happened to Africa and the third world thus far.

In the colonial era Africa was dominated by Europe, i think most of us will agree that the European investments into Africa were generally not helping Africa but rather just exploiting it.(and hence, global industrialization happened mostly in Europe) Africa's total economy definately increased due to this though, but in the end they lost the ability to control their basic tendencies and the population booms, making them need more economy that they hardly have.

And, every now and then, "abuse" is a small topic, companies putting their factories in the third world and paying their employees there next-to-nothing.(which generally gets "solved" but i strongly doubt it doesn't keep on happening)

And right now China is heavily investing in Africa, including in their infrastructure, if anything, i expect a better long-term return for the Africans compared to the exploitations that happened thus far, and the investors, well, usually the investors know to invest in something that gives some kind of return.

PS:Are people in this thread saying that economy doesn't become a science until we get smart enough to understand it ?

Some interesting playing-around-with-lenses.

Too bad it's not a real cloaking device, but rather a "sabotage" of the camera,

and in a time where we stream live recordings for entertainment it's unlikely we need to play around with lenses like this for any reason.

(Now if the cloaking device itself would be invisible to a passing observer ... shouldn't be hard to pull off expanding on what they already made)

 

 

White, would be a doubtful way to conceal yourself in a non white environment, it might work in the Arctic but albinism is widely considered a problem for any animal in the wild...

It wouldn't be about being unseen by predators, but rather unrecognised.

Also not so much an attempt to survive but more a desperate gamble to survive.

I doubt scientists are doing that, although it depends on what has to be understood under "mind".

Anyway, some traits can be transfered between two individuals, usually we use speech and writing to do so.(ideas, beliefs and things like that)

Other traits are harder, since they're more hardware then software.(potential size of memory for example)

How plausible is it that the survival of the albino-trait is due to predators killing off most of the prey in a given area, then the few remaining prey changing colors and becoming harder to recognize as prey ?

Using genetic engineering could a human control weather ?

Right now, no.

In the long term maybe some qualities of the human body can be added through genetic manipulation, but it won't be enough for a single human to control the weather.

It is possible to show, with a few assumptions, that once a sphere is compressed to a radius of [math]R=9GM/4c^2[/math] that the amount of internal pressure required to resist gravitational collapse becomes infinite. (G= gravitational constant, M=mass of sphere, and c=speed of light.)

When math shows infinite, it is usually wrong.

Maybe a health & fitness subforum could be added to the biology fora instead ?

I don't see a general sports subforum working here as opposed to the fora you mentioned since those are all things people think and talk about a lot, sports is more about doing it(and viewing it as well)

That could work.

Would be a lot of programming though(different sites using different protocols).

At the same time it could slowly turn into a second internet, so pretty much any party with an interest in the current internet may feel threatened and take steps.

What do you think of the idea? Worthy to invest time into?

No, what would be the use of sending data back ?

Let's say i used the outernet to send this reply, the outernet doesn't own this website, merely keeps a copy of it, chances are you would never read my reply because you're only accessing the original version of this site.

We have stores because at some point in history people tried them out and liked them, that we're dependent on them now is a result of this, not a cause.

That said, we don't want food, we need it to maintain our bodies.

How can their economy not be in the dumps, whether they use the Euro or the Lira ?

There is only one difference between the lira and the euro, and that is the size of of the area that uses it as currency,

as i was trying to point out, the countries using the euro are different, and have different problems and so they also have need for differend solutions/policies.

It 's not comparing the euro to the lira, it's comparing the euro to ALL the currencies it replaced.

Yeah, that was just kind of dubious without a means to ensure country fiscal policy follows suit. Somebody is getting easy money and someone else is having to worry about the effects of bailing them out.

This is true.

On the other hand, Greece maintained itself pre-euro by devaluating it's currency a lot(which is what all euro-countries did pre-euro and are now desperately trying to do with the euro)

not saying it is the best economic policy, but it was their economic policy.

They aren't widespread by any stretch of the imagination, but even the US has what amount to local currencies in some places.

If only the euro was introduced as a currency for international trade without replacing national currencies the eurozone would have so much more room t manouver.

I don't like the concept of giving away cash to everyone. I think it's already been shown that the OP is far too costly.

 

Can we continue discussion based on the title of the thread (if not, I can start a different thread)? That's what really attracted me in the first place. How do we merge a society that needs a healthy economy with one where basic needs are met for everybody?

 

Can we start with the premise that anyone living here should expect minimum subsistence with regard to food, clothing, shelter, and healthcare? Eliminating hunger and homelessness should be Job One for any country calling themselves both altruistic and a first world nation. I define minimum subsistence as being able to survive without spending any money (which seems reasonable if this program is aimed at poor people). To be fair, such a system would need to apply to Charles Koch as well should he go bankrupt and need America's help to keep from sleeping in the streets.

How about 30 dollars a day ?

There would still be high inflation over time, but i don't see that as a major problem, if people want to save up they'll just have to invest their money somewhere or get interest from a bank.

I don't think many people would want to live off so little money, so the able are likely to keep working, and some of the crappier jobs will be forced to disappear or pay better.

Most of the existing welfare programmes could be scrapped as well, it'd be more honest and save a lot of bureaucracy/paperwork.

Did the Dutch even have the right to vote if they want the EURO as currency?

Nope, but that wouldn't 've made much difference, the general public would 've been swayed by "easier on vacations" and not understanding the economic implications(like most economists)

Do you know what is even far less democratic than representative democracies? The European Union!

Autocracy.

So please don't say the USA was the most democratic country on earth!

I doubt most Americans actually think that btw, iirc only a third of their population still bothers to vote.

I think what you saw was some propaganda by their government, bringing democracy to some of the various countries they invaded.(they 're now "fighting terrorism" btw)

This implies economic stability is directly associated to work/production.

Hmm, work/production = economy, even though we often (only) measure our economy in money.

The less a person has the harder they work. I think that is a fallacy myself.

You're saying you're not gonna try to pitch in a few extra hours at work if you just lost your house/money/car/belongings ?

There are productive people at every level of the economic ladder.

Often the rich have very comfortable jobs, having people running around to appease them, while the crappiest jobs are paid least.

and the effect of the 60 dollar would hit the crappiest jobs hardest.

Money is merely a form of power. It is used to influence and control people. Sometimes for productive purposes and other times for destructive purposes. Either way money isnt the reason for human productivity.

Money is purchasing power, and the majority of us still use it to buy food, pay their rent and purchase other necessities

There are many more motivations for productivity, most still come down to some kind of compensation

60 dollar daily not a big deal

People would have less(no) need to work/produce as well, so less will get produced and prices would go up very hard, towards a point where 60 dollar daily realy isn't a big deal, i 'd estimate this point to be around 50% devaluation.

But people don't have a say so much in the USA. Let's say a city parlament wants build a new football stadium. That cost a lot of tax money. So here a year ago, the people of Zurich city could vote if they want a new stadium(cost: minimum 250'000'000 $). A big majority said NO! So the tax money was saved.

some more examples

I live in the Netherlands(electorate), we call direct votes referendums, and occasionally our politicians play around with referendums.

Problem is, we have no laws regarding referendums, and they're either declared "non-binding" meaning they 're ignored if our politicians don't like the outcome,

or they're skewed from the start(nobody wants a new harbour, then there's a referendum about how big we want it to be)

What kind of laws does Switzerland have regarding direct voting ?

Seeing that, potentially, Africa and areas around the equator have the "best" climate, yet usually don't have the same output, i 'd say climate is mostly a restraining factor;

people can grow agricultural produce inside an area that has the minimal required climate, whether they do and how well depends on factors as economics, culture, technology.

When i was little there i had an atlas that showed a "wheat border" but i can't find it online.

Why is it that regular audio (as in speech) can never qualify(assuming you meant qualify) as music?

You mean rap/hiphop ?

Music "sounds well," speech is a language/communication-protocol.

Do you walk on your legs or your arms ?

We are "conjoined" with the earth because we live there, just like our relatives.

Which brings us to terraforming.(although i suspect it's mainly sci-fi writers who talk about terraforming instead of real scientists for now)

Terraforming means we have another place to live and are no longer dependent on this - one - planet, it's not just more living-space but also a second home might something go wrong with the earth.(like a nuclear accident or a big war)

And pollution-wise, we're alive, we interact, some three centuries ago we did it differently and nature consumed our waste, nowadays nature has more trouble with that but we 're also aware of that now and deal with it.

Economics is how we get our stuff, science is knowing how to make/get stuff.

We can't live without our stuff