Strange Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 wait what? Isnt big bang proof that our universe is finite? No. It says nothing about the size. The big bang mode works equally well for an infinite and a finite universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 No. It says nothing about the size. The big bang mode works equally well for an infinite and a finite universe. you are right. However I just watched this video> and he claims that if our universe is infinite then there are infinite copies of identical me. Does that also mean that if its true that infinite universe exist, will I after I die be reborn again and live the exact same life as now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) It depends on how you define "I". And whether you believe random speculation like that. (It is also possible that the universe is infinite and the same sequence never recurs.) And, ultimately, does it matter? It is one of those pointless ideas like solipsism or "the universe was created 15 minutes ago but made to look 14 billion years old" or "we all live in a simulation". Edited September 26, 2016 by Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Strange, you see consciousness and unconsciousness is binary. Let's say I pass away like at 80, will my consciousness be rebuilt afterward, will someone has the technology to rebuild consciousness? If not, after the universe ends and another big bang where the universe gets created again, time resets, everything reset, eventually my consciousness will get created again at the same time in the same year, no matter how long it may take, lets say 10 billion years on the off state. But do I have consciousness when I am in the off state? No, I wake up as a new born the next second right after I passed away, to me this 10 billion years has no memory. So rather we are stuck on the off state, we are stuck repeating life again and again and again. How many times do you think we are repeating our life? Edited September 26, 2016 by fredreload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Strange, you see consciousness and unconsciousness is binary. Let's say I pass away like at 80, will my consciousness be rebuilt afterward, will someone has the technology to rebuild consciousness? If not, after the universe ends and another big bang where the universe gets created again, time resets, everything reset, eventually my consciousness will get created again at the same time in the same year, no matter how long it may take, lets say 10 billion years on the off state. But do I have consciousness when I am in the off state? No, I wake up as a new born the next second right after I passed away, to me this 10 billion years has no memory. So rather we are stuck on the off state, we are stuck repeating life again and again and again. How many times do you think we are repeating our life? What is your point exactly? Do you agree with the idea of being eternal or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 What is your point exactly? Do you agree with the idea of being eternal or? I believe we will live again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 I believe we will live again yeah, thats sad. Because if your life is hell , it will always be hell. No escape.. ever.. eternal hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 yeah, thats sad. Because if your life is hell , it will always be hell. No escape.. ever.. eternal hell. But you will never know so it is pointless worrying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) But you will never know so it is pointless worrying about it. I'm taking in time as a factor, but it is also possible that you could exist in a different time, different body. Since consciousness does not exist at one time, so I can exist at different times , not sure if my body will stay the same Edited September 26, 2016 by fredreload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'm taking in time as a factor, but it is also possible that you could exist in a different time, different body. Since consciousness does not exist at one time, so I can exist at different times , not sure if my body will stay the same But you will never know so it is pointless worrying or even speculating about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 But you will never know so it is pointless worrying or even speculating about it. Sure hope to meet you again Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 We might never know, but it's super unfortunate for us whose life is bad in this life. Just imagine the people who suffer and they are bound to repeat it for eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) We might never know, but it's super unfortunate for us whose life is bad in this life. Just imagine the people who suffer and they are bound to repeat it for eternity. You can watch The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in my opinion they are somewhat similar Edited September 26, 2016 by fredreload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 You can watch The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in my opinion they are somewhat similar similar to what? I just watched the trailer, its a comedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) similar to what? I just watched the trailer, its a comedy? Right it's a comedy. You don't really need to worry about next life. If you want to live longer then try to pursue immortality. There is no such thing as eternity P.S. Even if someone seals me for eternity, I will be out at eternity+1 Edited September 26, 2016 by fredreload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Right it's a comedy. You don't really need to worry about next life. If you want to live longer then try to pursue immortality. There is no such thing as eternity P.S. Even if someone seals me for eternity, I will be out at eternity+1 sounds like you dont have anything against eternity Your life must be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 We might never know, but it's super unfortunate for us whose life is bad in this life. Just imagine the people who suffer and they are bound to repeat it for eternity. Oh dear. Is that what this is all about? Teenage angst? Sorry to disappoint you but if you buy into this religion - sorry I mean, if you fall for this guff - er no, if you accept the "logic" of this argument then I'm afraid you will have to accept that there are an infinite number of universes where your life is better. Including an infinite number where your life is perfect. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreload Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) sounds like you dont have anything against eternity Your life must be good I take it back, there is an eternity, else I've just doomed us all @@ P.S. Going to sleep, good night all P.S. But it's not possible to seal someone for eternity Edited September 26, 2016 by fredreload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Oh dear. Is that what this is all about? Teenage angst? Sorry to disappoint you but if you buy into this religion - sorry I mean, if you fall for this guff - er no, if you accept the "logic" of this argument then I'm afraid you will have to accept that there are an infinite number of universes where your life is better. Including an infinite number where your life is perfect. Sorry about that. just stating the unfortunate fact that I could be doomed for eternal hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic and Theory Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I agree that we will never be able to test or confirm these ideas. I believe that we live then die. Our star eventually expands and consumes the earth. Eventually the atoms we are made from become part of something else.A moon or another planet perhaps. Over time other intelligent life make observations about stars in our part of the universe and The planets that orbit them. They are searching for signs that life may exist elsewhere in the univerae, not knowing we did billions of years in their past. But it's all a brain teasing waste of time to consider things of this scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 just stating the unfortunate fact that I could be doomed for eternal hell. But there are infinite copies of you doomed to eternal paradise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 But there are infinite copies of you doomed to eternal paradise. but they are not ''me'' . Its like if you had a twin in this life and he was identical to you, but he had an accident where he lost his legs. I'm talking about me here. Yes there are infinite number of identical ''me''s and some of them will be happy forever, but in this world Im unhappy and living in hell, so if its gonna repeat, Im stuck in infinite hell loop.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 but they are not ''me'' . None of them are you. Quite possibly none of them exist. But if you want to torment yourself by worrying about things that don't exist then the Catholic Church will be proud of you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialGuest Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 None of them are you. Quite possibly none of them exist. But if you want to torment yourself by worrying about things that don't exist then the Catholic Church will be proud of you. are you saying I dont exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 are you saying I dont exist? No. I am saying that, like other religious people, you are worrying about something that doesn't exist. You might be better off worrying about things in the real world that you might be bale to do something about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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