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#21 StringJunky

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 08:20 AM

Yondr is the "technology" that's being used in  some events places. It looks like this:

 

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You put your phone or smart watch in one of these which is then locked. You take it in with you and you also go through a metal detector to ensure compliance. After the gig it is unlocked and the phone is given back to you. Quite a simple solution. It's still too early to gauge response and effectiveness. 

 

 

Chris Rock fans will have their phones locked up during his forthcoming UK shows. Is this the start of no longer seeing a sea of screens at concerts?

 

Gigs in the pre-smartphone age used to be far less complicated.
 
You'd turn up. Maybe locate the bar and figure out where the bathrooms were. Flick through a programme or chat to your friends, and then just enjoy the show.
 
But these days, such a scene sounds like ancient history.
 
Now, you turn up. Check yourself in on Facebook. Catch up on emails while you're waiting for the show to start, and then when it does, upload some photos and videos you've taken to Instagram.
 
But many concertgoers find the practice irrating, and now some performers are starting to object too.
 

 


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#22 Spirit of Science

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 11:15 AM

Stringjunky,
I have searched about Yondr pouch fem miniutes ago and Its good idea in my point of view but someone may made a similar pouch by using 3D print and make his own technology for locking the pouche. Then he/she can lock/unlock the pouch anytime to cheat events officers. Definitely, no body can arrest you as a result that you made the same pouche product of Yondr company as I dont sell it for anybody in the market. Its something similar to universe remote in shops, but it has been designed by me in home.
I dont discover how it works as there is no much information in webs (but if I have a youndr pouch or attend one of concert, I will know how it works exactly).
So, there are two ways to lock pouche, either

1) using electrical method by sending IR signal or two sockets for wires (similar to sockets of USB drive which you can enter and exit it). IR signal required that pouch must have a small battery to receive signals and give order to lock pouch. The other socket way dont required any battery on Youndr pouch as it works similar to Stereo/radio/pump/fan.
2) or using magnetic field to clock the pouche by moving iron plates inside it by smart ways which prvent any body has the ability to move plates by his hand or use small stick.
Recently, I read somebody has tried to hack the youndr pouch, thats mean that they are using electrical method.
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#23 Endy0816

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 12:36 PM

I keep thinking an IR lens would make short work of this.
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Posted 21 May 2017 - 04:04 PM

Stringjunky,
I have searched about Yondr pouch fem miniutes ago and Its good idea in my point of view but someone may made a similar pouch by using 3D print and make his own technology for locking the pouche. Then he/she can lock/unlock the pouch anytime to cheat events officers. Definitely, no body can arrest you as a result that you made the same pouche product of Yondr company as I dont sell it for anybody in the market. Its something similar to universe remote in shops, but it has been designed by me in home.


Once again, you assume how this would work. You can't use a fake pouch if you hand the phone over to an event employee and they put it in, and lock it.


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#25 StringJunky

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 04:48 PM

Once again, you assume how this would work. You can't use a fake pouch if you hand the phone over to an event employee and they put it in, and lock it.

That's what they do. The procedure will be such that compliance is as successful as possible. I'm sure they've gone through multiple procedural models in testing.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:05 PM

Swansont,
I was thinking that auidence must purchase the pouch, not the event organizers.
Anyway, it seems the metal detector is the critical method which make pouche products succeed in its job.
Last days, i was reading about metal detector and how it works physically. I found some ideas let us to go through over metal detector without discovered the metal but it still wants more knowledge.
So, my question is it allowed for me in this forum to discuss how we can manipulate and cheat the metal detector systems by smart scientific methods or not? I know how may effect the security of the world in negative sides as there are too criminals in our world but we cant make improvements for system if we dont know the weakness of that thing. So to overcome we must share our ideas with professionals.
If its allowed, then it will be an exciting post/thread.
It will takes a lot of time as I want to understand every piece in metal detector.
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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:37 AM

Swansont,
I was thinking that auidence must purchase the pouch, not the event organizers.
Anyway, it seems the metal detector is the critical method which make pouche products succeed in its job.
Last days, i was reading about metal detector and how it works physically. I found some ideas let us to go through over metal detector without discovered the metal but it still wants more knowledge.
So, my question is it allowed for me in this forum to discuss how we can manipulate and cheat the metal detector systems by smart scientific methods or not? I know how may effect the security of the world in negative sides as there are too criminals in our world but we cant make improvements for system if we dont know the weakness of that thing. So to overcome we must share our ideas with professionals.
If its allowed, then it will be an exciting post/thread.
It will takes a lot of time as I want to understand every piece in metal detector.

 

 

In a new thread you could discuss weaknesses/flaws of metal detectors, since that would be based on publicly available information, but discussion of actively defeating the technology would probably be out of bounds (rule 2.3 says no discussion of making illegal devices)


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:42 PM

Maybe Apple are working on the notion that countries will pass a law compelling phone manufacturers to include preventative measures against recording gigs and fllms.

 

After all, today's phones are better than some of the video cameras that pirates used to record films a few years ago. The ones that appeared on black market DVD within days of a film's release.

And official DVDs of gigs are a legitimate money spinner for artists and promoters.

 

So if countries DO insist on prevention measures, Apple with their patent might be able to corner the market, and charge a hefty fee to the competition. Of course, it all depends on the politicians making the preventative measures mandatory. But they can be bought or bullied. Or both.


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