symbio Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Ahem, More is a term applied to value, and the only value which can be measured in both the sphere and the blue is volume. I guarantee the volume of the blue plastic is less than the volume of the sphere, therefore the ball is more spherical than blue. Thanks for coming out though. I enjoyed the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symbio Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending, just thought it was funny that in 5 pages of posts, nobody else bought this up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Not mentioning the various scales used to measure values of light intensity, and colour hue, doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, volume is not a measure of geometry. Nice play though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 But is it still a ball then? Yes, just not a very good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symbio Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Not mentioning the various scales used to measure values of light intensity' date=' and colour hue, doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, volume is not a measure of geometry. Nice play though [/quote'] First of all, there is no need to discuss the intensity or hue of the ball or the light which it reflects. The question states (undeniably) that the ball is blue and made of plastic. Termininology aside (i am neither a mathmetician nor a scientist), both the sphere and the blue plastic take up unequal amounts of space, and that this is the only variable shared by both (values?), blue and sphere. Not sure how to word this, but I know you understand. I challenge anyone here to prove that the BLUE plastic takes up MORE space than the SPHERE therefore the ball is more sphere than blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 First of all, there is no need to discuss the intensity or hue of the ball or the light which it reflects. The question states (undeniably) that the ball is blue and made of plastic. If you want to consider that the question undeniably states "the ball is blue", then it can't be more n than it is blue, since we've already assigned it 100% blueness. The fact that the ball is made of plastic is not really relevant to anything. Termininology aside (i am neither a mathmetician nor a scientist), both the sphere and the blue plastic take up unequal amounts of space, and that this is the only variable shared by both (values?), blue and sphere. Not sure how to word this, but I know you understand. Unless you explain where you get the link between the colour of the ball and the material it is made from, that makes no sense. I challenge anyone here to prove that the BLUE plastic takes up MORE space than the SPHERE They don't actually need to do that, because it won't prove either side of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Yes, just not a very good one. How is a ball still a ball when you cut it in two? when "ball" means 1. A spherical object or entity 2. A spherical or almost spherical body I think people are also misunderstanding the word spherical as in capillygus' first post. That you agreed with but was proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 In the same way that a cake is still a cake when you serve it on little plates with lace doilies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deified Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 therefore the ball is more sphere than blue. The question is not " is the sphere aspect of the ball more voluminous than the plastic aspect?" The question has to do with sphericalness and blueness. Please tell me again how blueness can be measured in volume. =========================================================== ATTENTION:ATTENTION:ATTENTION:ATTENTION:ATTENTION:ATTENTION: I have the answer! The ball is equally spherical and blue! Second guess: The riddle is unsolvable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossoi Posted January 11, 2005 Author Share Posted January 11, 2005 I have the answer! The ball is equally spherical and blue!You'll have to back that up with some proof. Second guess: The riddle is unsolvable.You're just not trying hard enough! 100 posts and counting! Wahey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 In the same way that a cake is still a cake when you serve it on little plates with lace doilies. Yes but the definition of cake stays the same when you cut it, but a ball isnt a ball by definition anymore when you cut it, just two blue plastic semispheres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Yes but the definition of cake stays the same when you cut it, but a ball isnt a ball by definition anymore when you cut it, just two blue plastic semispheres. I did say it wasn't a very good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I did say it wasn't a very good one. But what I'm trying to say is thats its not one at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Then I refer you back to post #91, which allows for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d22k Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 and since atoms are all moving constantly' date=' we are incapable of achieving it. QUOTE'] Absolute Zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Absolute Zero Not achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 My money's on no. Seeing as the ball is presumably not a luminous source isn't it only fair to say it appears blue as a function of the environment in which its placed. There are many places in the universe where such a ball would look very dark indeed, too dark for us to percieve it as blue(if we can see it at all). So if it is a percentage of where the ball 'looks' blue and where we would see it as black then black wins hands down. The ball is close to spherical in most places except those with extreme gravity, which are in the minority when compared to fields in which a hollow plastic ball could maintain its shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Absolute Zero what Sayo said, plus, everything is still moving at that point from what I understand of string theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtonian Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 This isn't really a puzzle as there is no answer but it's generated an interesting line of debate before... I have a spherical ball. It is made of plastic and it is hollow. It is also blue. Is it more blue than it is spherical? I cannot understand how this could have gone to 100 posts.But i did enjoy reading them:-) Of course there is an answer,It is more blue than spherical! The ball is spherical,hollow and blue.So blue covers all the outside. The inside of the hollow ball is hyperbolic and not a sphere,but is still a shade of blue. Hence blue is the answer:-) And im clever and you lot revere me,and want to send me chocolate dont you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I cannot understand how this could have gone to 100 posts.But i did enjoy reading them:-)Of course there is an answer' date='It is more blue than spherical! The ball is spherical,hollow and blue.So blue covers all the outside. The inside of the hollow ball is hyperbolic and not a sphere,but is still a shade of blue. Hence blue is the answer:-) And im clever and you lot revere me,and want to send me chocolate dont you.[/quote'] Yes, but as has been mentioned before, if the sphere is put into a completely dark room, it is no longer blue but is still spherical, therefore it would be more spherical than blue. The color of the sphere also changes depending on the light source. The sphere shape of it does not change no matter what the light source is. The shape of the object is independent of outside factors. The color of it is dependent on outside factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 . The shape of the object is independent of outside factors. The color of it is dependent on outside factors. How do you prove that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntax252 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 The ball is indeed spherical. The reason that the ball is spherical is because the originator of this thread said that it was spherical, therefore it's sphereocity if one of the givin parameters. It matters not whether or not is is possible to construct a perfectly spherical ball. The fact that it was defined as spherical is all that is necessary to the debate. Therefore, since blue can be called green to some people and shades of blue even called black, I vote for spherical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 The thread creator said spherical and blue. So its as much spherical as blue. Blue is one of the given parameters. It dosnt matter if its blue to some people or black or whatever, if we look at the facts it is blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntax252 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 The thread creator said spherical and blue. So its as much spherical as blue. Blue is one of the given parameters. It dosnt matter if its blue to some people or black or whatever, if we look at the facts it is[/i'] blue. But isn't blue somewhat subjective, while spherical is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtonian Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Yes, but as has been mentioned before, if the sphere is put into a completely dark room, it is no longer blue but is still spherical, therefore it would be more spherical than blue. The color of the sphere also changes depending on the light source. The sphere shape of it does not change no matter what the light source is. The shape of the object is independent of outside factors. The color of it is dependent on outside factors. The OP didnt ask us to put the sphere in a darkened room,a fishtank or dangling from an helicopter,he asked which was it more, spherical or blue.And the answer my dear dr watson is blue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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