jsaldea12 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Equilibrum of Positive to Negative of Atom The Law of Opposite states that there should be equilibrium of positive to negative, meaning the mass of positive to negative should be in equilibrium, just like water seeking its own level. That requirement of equilibrium is applicable to micro as it is in macro. In macro solar system, the sun, as nucleus, has equilibrium positive and negative property, in like manner, earth and all other satellites, re- mars, venus, etc., each satellite , has equal mass of positive and negative property, in keeping with the Law of Opposite.. In micro atom solar system, the nucleus and electrons, should, each should have equilibrium mass of positive and negative property, just like in macro. solar system, in keeping with Law of Opposite.. Thus, inside the shell of atom, re-nucleus, proton, neutron, quarks, and electron, each, should have equilibrium equal mass of positive and negative. That .neutrons, quarks, electrons mutate/decay implicate that each has inherent positive and negative, that such decays/mutations occur implicate that the nucleus and electrons seek equilibrium of mass of positive and negative in their respective nucleus shell and electron shell. The law of opposite states that positive and negative property are two sides of same coin.. As a matter of fact, proton steal electron to seek equilibrium.. Thus, the enduring, existing concept of the most fundamental hydrogen atom, the proton mass is equal electron mass, appears not in conformity with the Law of Opposite, because the mass of proton is 1,672 while the mass of electron is.00091..that the mass relationship of nucleus to electron appears loop-sided.. The mass of nucleus to itself, and mass of electron to itself, in equilibrium.. Modern progress of science is fast, now, there is tendency to seek equalizing positive to negative of same mass, re-electron to positron, positive neutrinos to negative neutrinos, + quarks has -quark, matter to anti-matter. Speaking of anti-matter, it is stated that when matter and anti-matter meet, both annihilate one another, it appears correct to state that both convert themselves to energy, a positive to negative attraction. What happen when anti-matter meet anti-matter? What happen when electron meets electron? Repulsion but not conversion to energy, just like in electrical bulb which converts such meeting of live positive and negative to energy, resulting in lighted bulb..Thus, the question is: is electron all negative?: Electrical bulb lights up as connected to pair of live electrical wires, positive and negative.. Roll the live electrical wires around a nail, and magnetism is created with positive and negative. In nucleus, the proton quarks, 2 up and 1 down is equalized by neutron quark 1 up and 2 down, to sum up to equilibrium positive = negative.. Several centuries ago, the old scientific schools were looking for most basic particle that is indivisible.. It was thought that atom was the most basic and indestructible. Now, it is found that atom is just a shell and inside said atom shell is inner shell, the nucleus, and the nucleus is just a shell, inside said nucleus shell are smaller shells on which curled proton quarks having positive and negative, and neutron quarks having positive and negative. adding these two kind of quarks arrive at equal positive and negative. Thus, evidences that there are positive and negative properties in nucleus shell and electron’s shell. By the way, an atom is 99.999999999999% space.. Thus, the electrons, the protons, neutrons, quarks are just. .000000000001%.content of the atom. The stated puzzling matter, re-the imbalance mass relationship of nucleus to electrons, is brought up, not to question but to seek satisfactory explanation. Does anybody know the explanation? . Jsaldea Cc DOST, CSIS Philippine Copyright 2009 sfn 6.30.09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 jsaldea12, in Physics we discuss valid physics - math- and evidence-based science. The Pseudoscience and Speculation forum is intended to host hypotheses and ideas that are either borderline or not yet supported by valid evidence. Yours is *NOT* mainstream science, it is NOT supported by evidence, and hence does NOT blong in the mainstream physics forum. Please take this move as a chance to improve your theory and supply some valid evidence to the matter. Math would help. If it wasn't clear, thread was moved to Pseudoscience and Speculation forum, where it will stay until the hypothesis within it is proven to be valid. ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truedeity Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 We believe that there is another mirroring universe; our positive electron universe is entirely entangled with an opposite negative electron universe. Which is congruent with the established multiverse theories. Consider the static layer of a Black Hole, it is believed to be known as a barrier which separates from the 7th dimension, and is apart of the woven fabric that ties our universe to other misc. instances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 We believe that there is another mirroring universe; Who's "we" ? our positive electron universe is entirely entangled with an opposite negative electron universe. Which is congruent with the established multiverse theories. Consider the static layer of a Black Hole, it is believed to be known as a barrier which separates from the 7th dimension, and is apart of the woven fabric that ties our universe to other misc. instances. ... do you have any evidence / supporting facts / mathematics / references to support these claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsaldea12 Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Please read, I was referring to actual most fundamental atom, hydrogen atom: is the mass of proton in equilibrium with the mass of electron? jsaldea`12 6.30.09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 The Law of Opposite states There is no such law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsaldea12 Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 In some books, it is written, in others unwritten,..: that governing, unerring opposite law in physics: like repulse, unlike-attract., thus, is there equilibrium of mass of proton (positive) to mass of electron (negative) in hydrogen atom. Electricity, for instance, has equilibrium of positive and negative live wire to cause bulb to light. Thus, the question, it appears not right to compare equilibrium of negative electrons’ shell with positive nucleus shell. The reasons why it appears not right are detailed in the article. Jsaldea12 6.30.09. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 In some books, it is written, in others unwritten,..: that governing, unerring opposite law in physics: like repulse, unlike-attract., thus, is there equilibrium of mass of proton (positive) to mass of electron (negative) in hydrogen atom. Electricity, for instance, has equilibrium of positive and negative live wire to cause bulb to light. Thus, the question, it appears not right to compare equilibrium of negative electrons’ shell with positive nucleus shell. The reasons why it appears not right are detailed in the article. Great! Then you can bring us citations of those books so we can borrow them in the library, open them up in the designated page, and read what you're talking about. There is no such law, you've invented it, or you misunderstood an actual physical law. The only way we can tell if it's your imaginative invention or a misunderstanding of an actual law is if you bring us the source that you take this from. If you have no sources, please move on. There is no such law, we won't be convinced that there's such a law until you prove that the law exists, either by deriving it mathematically or giving us a citation from a book that does that. ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Protons have much, much more mass than electrons. It's their charge that is equal and opposite. And while an equal number of protons and electrons results in a neutral charge and is stabile, it is not a law, written or otherwise, that there must be. Atoms with extra or missing electrons are called ions, and chemical reactions wouldn't be possible if atoms couldn't give up or gain electrons. Electricity is a flow of unattached electrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Protons have much, much more mass than electrons. It's their charge that is equal and opposite. And while an equal number of protons and electrons results in a neutral charge and is stabile, it is not a law, written or otherwise, that there must be. Atoms with extra or missing electrons are called ions, and chemical reactions wouldn't be possible if atoms couldn't give up or gain electrons. Electricity is a flow of unattached electrons. That's a good point Sysiphus, if I may just add that this so-called 'law' also isn't consistent with all other physical concepts. That is, while opposites attract in electrodynamics (more or less), opposites do not attract in gravity, or relativity, etc. There is no such law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 "Opposites attract" (as applied here) is a qualitative summary of the electrostatic force equation. One cannot extrapolate it to be a law which could be applied in a general case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsaldea12 Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Do you believe there is positive and negative, north and south pole, right and wrong, male and female, name it, there are opposite…..this world is made that way: it is unerring. It is up to you if you believe it or not. BUT IT EXISTS. But let us go back: it appears something is not right in concept that the mass of nucleus is equalize by the mass of electrons.. In macro-solar system, like the sun as nucleus, the sun has equal positive and negative,. In like manner, earth and other planets, as macro-electrons, have, each, equal positive and negative. So in micro-solar system, the nucleus should have equal positive and negative and electrons should have equal positive and negative. The comparison of equal positive to negative should have been nucleus in itself, and electrons in itself. What do you think? Jsaldea12 6.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Do you believe there is positive and negative, north and south pole, right and wrong, male and female, name it, there are opposite…..this world is made that way: it is unerring. It is up to you if you believe it or not. BUT IT EXISTS. Right and wrong attract? Males aren't occasionally attracted to males, and females to females? (in about 10% of the population?) Bogus. No such law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsaldea12 Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Let us stick to issue: Equilibrium of positive and negative on mass of nucleus should be within the nucleus, and equilibrium of positive and negative on mass of electrons should be within the electrons. Such is the unerring, call it unwritten law, of opposite. What do you think? jsaldea12 67.1.09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignose Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Let us stick to issue: Equilibrium of positive and negative on mass of nucleus should be within the nucleus, But there isn't equilibrium of mass. The mass of a proton is 1836 times the mass of an electron. But, why let a little things like facts get in the way of a good story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Let us stick to issue: Equilibrium of positive and negative on mass of nucleus should be within the nucleus, and equilibrium of positive and negative on mass of electrons should be within the electrons. Such is the unerring, call it unwritten law, of opposite. What do you think? jsaldea12 67.1.09 I think I have no clue what you're talking about. Equilibrium of positive and negative what? What does "on mass of nucleus" mean? And you keep using "unerring." I do not think it means what you think it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 what i think is that you're talking utter bollocks and trying (and failing) to get us to drop years of study and evidence for some statement origionally intended for use on human behaviour. the universe is not human, do not try to personify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsaldea12 Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 There should be equality of positive and negative, like in magnet bar, like in electricity with equal positive and negative. In nucleus shell, needs to be equal positive and negative, and in separate electron shell needs equal positive and negative. Positive and negative property of bar magnet, for instance, cut, and cut to slimmer sizes and still in every cut, there is equal positive and negative. Align the cut bars and there is equal positive and negative. The reasons why there are exchanges, transfers mutations/decays inside the atom, nucleus to electron shells, and from electron shell to nucleus is because, like water seeking its own level, positive and negative seeks equality. The truth is positive and negative are two sides of same coin. That is why even in nucleus, quarks have positive and negative property. Even fast moving electrons have positive and negative. Thus, the mutation/decaying show. jsaldea12 7.1.09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 There should be equality of positive and negative, like in magnet bar, like in electricity with equal positive and negative. In nucleus shell, needs to be equal positive and negative, and in separate electron shell needs equal positive and negative. Positive and negative property of bar magnet, for instance, cut, and cut to slimmer sizes and still in every cut, there is equal positive and negative. Align the cut bars and there is equal positive and negative. The reasons why there are exchanges, transfers mutations/decays inside the atom, nucleus to electron shells, and from electron shell to nucleus is because, like water seeking its own level, positive and negative seeks equality. The truth is positive and negative are two sides of same coin. That is why even in nucleus, quarks have positive and negative property. Even fast moving electrons have positive and negative. Thus, the mutation/decaying show. jsaldea12 7.1.09 Atoms are neutral. The nucleus isn't, electrons aren't. The nucleus is held together by the strong nuclear force. There is no positive and negative there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsaldea12 Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Proton quarks 2 up 1 down; neutron quarks 1 up, 2 down. I dnt have to explain what is up and down, thus, right in the heart of nucleus, there are positive and negative. jsaldea12 7.1.09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Proton quarks 2 up 1 down; neutron quarks 1 up, 2 down. I dnt have to explain what is up and down, thus, right in the heart of nucleus, there are positive and negative. jsaldea12 7.1.09 1) There are six types of quarks. 2) The number of neutrons in nuclei don't have to equal the number of protons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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