I`ve been working on a way to obtain elemental Phosphorus. naturaly I`ll convert it to Red P4 rather than store it as White P4.

 

so far the best way I can come up with is the conversion of Phosphoric acid with Carbon and distilling it.

 

the starting chems I have, are many, Ammonium phosphate, calcium hydrogen phosphate as my 2 sources.

does anyone know an easier method from the above?

all the other chems that may be required I should have, so don`t worry about having to think of complicated ways, complex is good too, so long as it works

 

maybe an electrolytic way? or a way that doesn`t require distilation?

 

Ideas please

How about soil phosphorus extraction by iron oxide impregnated filter papers, since your into gradens....lol...

but that would just give me Phosphorus salts, and I already have those (from a gardening shop I might add) ))

Oh didnt read that well, sulfuric acid extraction of a phosphate-rich rock will give you elemental phosphorus.

Apatite is an example.

it will make phosphoric acid sure, and apatite (nano powder) would be a step backwards from the acid as it includes a metal Ion

YIPEE! I`ve done it ))))

 

I`ve just managed to exrtact elemental Phosphorus

 

Step one: mix ammonium sulphate with Calcium Hydrogen Phosphate soln (both available at a gardening center).

a precipitate of calcium sulphate will form, filter it out and colect the liquid, allow the liquid to crystalise by evaporation.

 

step 2: heat the crystals until they melt, ammonia gas will be given off, continue heating until the ammonia smell has gone. allow to cool and disolve the remainder in a little water, filter it of any impurities. you now have Phosphoric acid. evaporate most of the water off by gentle heating, it will become syrupy.

 

step 3: add 25% of it mass with carbon (lumpwood chacoal powdered will do). mix well and allow to got as dry as possible.

 

step 4: put a little of this mix in a heatproof test tube and heat it over a bunsen burner (in a dark room is best). you will see Phosphorus begin to distill up the tube and maybe catch fire with a green glow when it hits the air

 

avoid the fumes as they stink and are harmfull, it smells a bit like garlic.

 

YT2095 goes off to do his Happy Dance around the Lab

LMAO congratulations Mr.YT good work

Careful with that dance YT!

 

Pics?

Very cool stuff, good work YT

cheerz

 

and Sayo, I shall have pics done for my second batch, I want to scale it up beyond a few centigrams, but be sure, I`ll be more than happy to present them here

:coolio:

 

\o/

 

What are you going to do with your elemental phosphorus?

no idea at all really, probaly just convert it to Red Phosphorus and keep it with my other chems that I`ve made and have no real use for

but I may eventualy see an interesting experiment that requires P4 and I`ll know I have some to try it with

the challenge and the journey are the exciting bits for me really, the end result is just a bonus

when I`ve scaled this up and made a few grams, I`ll move on to something else, as always

Ignore the above!!!

it`s way to dangerous! although I did manage to get a measly 100mg of Red Phosphourus that was all I could salvage as the white caught fire (((

I just hope the gasses don`t make me ill, gloves(nitrile) and goggles, but no respirator/fume cuboard, it stinks like holy hell in here now, windows open and all the plumes of white smoke have gone now. I seriously don`t reccomend anyone try this!

 

Sayo I have the pics all leading up to this event, just not on my website yet as I wanted the complete set, you`ll forgive me for not taking pics during the fire I hope!

 

again, unless you have some serious heavy duty Lab kit, do not even THINK about making Phosphourus!

 

[edit] on a brighter note though, I did make alot of phosphoric acid and still have quite a bit left, I`ll look into making fuel cells next

 

How did it catch fire? Doesn't phosphorus catch fire only when lit?

it burns spontainiously in air, so it did!

don`t get me wrong, I was fully aware that it does, I just didn`t expect it to as I was loading the heating tube!

nice going YT! U should have taken that into account before making it! Oh God! Must have made a horrible mess!

I try not to think about it!

mess no, not really, just the white smoke and stink, I managed to cap the tube while it was on fire, it sucked the cork in a bit and shattered over the water bowl, then I was safe(ish).

I lost most of it though, as I said, I got about 100mg of red phos for my efforts. hardly seems worth it in all honesty!

I feel ur pain!

and before anyone starts thinking I`m SFNs Resident Mad Scientist, no I`m not!

I`m actualy a very good scientist, I just like to "push the envelope" sometimes, and explore possibilities, afterall, isn`t that what Science is all about?

exactly! The only way to learn is to make mistakes! By the way, I don't think ur a mad scientist! Just a guy with lots of knowledge!

LOL, I`ve got a little bit more now

yup! I think so too. I just can't imagine how long it has taken for u to get to the stage you are at!

aommaster said in post # :

I just can't imagine how long it has taken for u to get to the stage you are at!

 

stage I am at? I don`t quite understand you (sorry). do you mean with the Red Phos synth?

Nope, i mean the level of knowledge that you are at. Amazing!