Rapid formation of galaxies

[Conceptual]

I would to raise a little controversay. Data has appeared that shows the existance of galaxies, which formed and were making starts less than a billions years into the evolution of the universe. Our sun is posulated to have taken maybe a long as that to reach something close to its modern state. But in this case, whole galaxies, stars and all, form in less than 1Billions years from t=0, during extreme conditions of temp and velocity.

 

The question I have is, are any of the current cosmology models able to accommodate this data? The theories that can not accommodate this data, do they need to go back to the old drawing board or are they grandfathered in?

[Mart]

You need to put a link to the data.

[Conceptual]

The link for the data is at http://www.scienceforums.com/science-news/astronomy-news/4056-nasa-finds-big-baby-galaxies-newborn.html. I was being nice at 1billions years, the calculation is 800million.

[MD2576]

Wouldn't the speed that the galaxy spins at have some force to faster pull mass together and in larger quantities? Perhaps these galaxies spin faster than ours causing them to coalesce faster and use up more debris in the surrounding area in a lesser amount of time which makes for larger stars?

[Conceptual]

The rapid formation of galaxies close to t=0 creates a paradox for physics. Since the astronomy data is direct data using know technology that works, I trust this data. This data suggests that either the doppler shift is wrong or the primal physics is wrong. They both can not be right. The doppler shift is well understood and has direct experiental data to back it up. The primal physics is a little less certain.

 

One way to keep both theories is to simply change one primal assumption. In particular, if the BB expansion was due to entropy instead of force then primal physics could be more consistent with this data.

 

Picture this. If we separated the primordial atom into two chunks and separated them a distance d, it would contain less entropy than a continuum shell of smaller particles a diameter d. Both will contain the same mass times distance, but the two big chunks would contain less entropy since the breakup into a continuum of particles will define more entropy due to its higher number of particle. As such, for the same entropy potential, acting for the same distance, the two big chunks will have more free energy left over for other things. The big chunks with more free energy left over will give them the extra potential to make the galaxies form rapidly. The big bomb atomizes while an entropy expansion will more than likely quantum chunk due to mass and finite velocity not being fully able to express the entropy potential.