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Thanks Dave, I was afraid of that. I checked my usage and we have a 512/128kps connection and for every gig downloaded we have a quarter of a gig uploaded almost. Very unusual to me, i have just started sharing the connection and the uploading has typically been very small compared to downloading in the past.

Is this really the only solution? I was on the phone to tech support guy and he mentioned i might try setting firewall rules to stop the uploading. This sounds like dodgy advice to me, so i havent tried it yet.

I really dont want to ask my friend to stop using this program as its what he enjoys doing.

Thanks for all the replies tho

Ah ok, i think i understand thanks. I really dont mind if the game runs slow, i would expect it if i have to share my connection with another heavy user, but it is the spikes and disconnections that really make it unplayable.

Regarding the uploading, I am talking about continuous uploading, obviously it has to communicate with the server, but am wondering if it is possible that it is uploading in the background without my friends knowledge.

Thanks for the response, sorry i might have been unclear, i know the game needs to use uploads which is why it is important. Is it possible that the download manager is uploading, strictly speaking it shouldnt be, cause it is just managing your downloads from web-sites and makes no mention of it. BUT obviously something is slowing our connection right down (from a gaming pov, websites load fine) and it does operate in some ways similar to a file share program, making hundreds of connections etc.

The comment about splitting the connection is interesting, can someone elaborate on this?

Hi, hope someone can help with this problem i'm having.

2 and a bit people share one internet connection at home, 1 downloads heavily, i just play net-games sometimes (ok a lot heh). There is one other on the network but as far as i know he just browses internet and msn that sort of thing.

Now my friend downloads just from websites with a download manager, Fender, he assures me he always limits the speed (we get about 50kb/sec, he limits to 20) but something is not right. Any netgame i play while he is downloading is unplayable, with latency around 800ms and frequently spikes up to 3000+, where i might get disconnected. Even tho the program doesnt mention it i suspect it uploads as well as downloads, i havent used that one (Fender, as its from China) but i have seen similar and they make hundreds of connections similar to a file-share program. If it was uploading it is likely it is taking all our upstream bandwidth, as it is not much.

So, is it possible that this program is uploading, and if so, any way to stop it?

it doesnt necessarily imply that, only that any changes in the/a system will result in more disorder for that system; for example if you have two beakers of water at different temperatures and mix them, the entropy of the system increases even though the total energy is the same, as the difference in temperature could have been used to do work. So in other words it can never decrease, although it can stay the same.

wait a minute

If looking to old data changes the path in a more correct/drastic way' date=' then isn't it likely that an asteroid that now has a very low hit chance would have a very high hit chance when we take the old data into account.

(but we only look at old data when the hit chance is very high)

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more data just means a more accurate prediction of its path, and right now that data is saying it will almost definetely miss Earth; the 'old data' was discovered archived data from other observations

My favourite movies would have to be

LOTR - return of the king

Star Wars - original 3

Fistful of dollars (and other fine spaghetti westerns)

Dr Strangelove

Judge Dredd

Terminator 2

BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT (pioneer of the prison epic genre!!)

and i guess i have to say World Safari 1,2, and 3

- I posit that the possibility and probability of humans ever finding ET "intelligent" life are extremely small. After all also we are a rare enough random occurrence on Earth. Our difficulty to learn about ourselves is not an objective difficulty but an inherent human subjective difficulty of approach and of acceptance of findings.

 

- Any determined resolute objective logical examination of Life will prove productive' date=' much much more than searching for clues in the wild wild yonder, by means that might or fail to deliver clues thousands of years from now to who knows whom...[/quote']

 

Is it just me or do these paragraphs contradict each other? It is difficult for humans to look within themselves and answer tough questions about our existence, yet we shouldn't look for external clues? Also going by your first para. the only objective search for answers would an external one (life on this planet, other planets, etc).

Also I would like to add that the search in the 'wild yonder' already looks to be delivering clues with the exploration of our solar system and the possibility (not currently looking too remote) of finding some form of life/remains of life.

Are you saying this wont achieve anything worthwile for our race?

- I posit that the possibility and probability of humans ever finding ET "intelligent" life are extremely small. After all also we are a rare enough random occurrence on Earth. Our difficulty to learn about ourselves is not an objective difficulty but an inherent human subjective difficulty of approach and of acceptance of findings.

 

- Any determined resolute objective logical examination of Life will prove productive' date=' much much more than searching for clues in the wild wild yonder, by means that might or fail to deliver clues thousands of years from now to who knows whom...[/quote']

 

Is it just me or do these paragraphs contradict each other? It is difficult for humans to look within themselves and answer tough questions about our existence, yet we shouldn't look for external clues? Also going by your first para. the only objective search for answers would an external one (life on this planet, other planets, etc).

Also I would like to add that the search in the 'wild yonder' already looks to be delivering clues with the exploration of our solar system and the possibility (not currently looking too remote) of finding some form of life/remains of life.

Are you saying this wont achieve anything worthwile for our race?

sharing is caring bloodhound

sharing is caring bloodhound

I think bloodhound has a point, blue seems more dependant on variables than spherical, as mossoi stated above in an absence of light you wouldn't describe the ball as blue. Yet if you were to calculate its volume, or circumference mathematically (thought of as a universal language) you would get a value very close, within a very small margin of error, to a measured value. Wheras how could you measure if the ball was blue?

I think bloodhound has a point, blue seems more dependant on variables than spherical, as mossoi stated above in an absence of light you wouldn't describe the ball as blue. Yet if you were to calculate its volume, or circumference mathematically (thought of as a universal language) you would get a value very close, within a very small margin of error, to a measured value. Wheras how could you measure if the ball was blue?

ET Life' date=' and Intelligence

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The preoccupation of some humans with possibile existence of off-Earth "intelligent" life and their efforts in search of such "intelligent" life are, in our present state of comprehension of the nature of life, futile and pitiful. [/quote']

 

I dont think the search for "intelligent" life is futile; you could only describe it as futile if you could say for sure that what we are looking for isn't out there, which is not something we could possibly find out without searching for it. I agree it is slighly pitiful at this stage. I think most would agree that SETI and projects like it only hope is to catch an incredibly lucky break. It is also nothing more than a starting point, and you could not really say any resources are being wasted on it.

 

Other life forms might have occurred elsewhere in the universe and evolved and developed in other modes with other types of toolings and communications. They may also be devoid of human-culture-like traits/capabilities.

 

This could be true, but I think most would agree that out search for intelligent life has more to do with our need to learn more about ourselves and our own world than anything else, so it is hardly suprising that we orient it along lines that would be of use to search for a human/earth-like civilization.

 

In order to plan and conduct an effectual search for non-Earth life it would be wise and prudent to first comprehend the basic nature of life that may be common to all possible forms of life.

 

I think this can be tied into what I said above , and projects like SETI and our exploration of space is one way we are doing this; which I believe, will prove much more productive than any theoretical discussions on 'what is life'.

ET Life' date=' and Intelligence

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The preoccupation of some humans with possibile existence of off-Earth "intelligent" life and their efforts in search of such "intelligent" life are, in our present state of comprehension of the nature of life, futile and pitiful. [/quote']

 

I dont think the search for "intelligent" life is futile; you could only describe it as futile if you could say for sure that what we are looking for isn't out there, which is not something we could possibly find out without searching for it. I agree it is slighly pitiful at this stage. I think most would agree that SETI and projects like it only hope is to catch an incredibly lucky break. It is also nothing more than a starting point, and you could not really say any resources are being wasted on it.

 

Other life forms might have occurred elsewhere in the universe and evolved and developed in other modes with other types of toolings and communications. They may also be devoid of human-culture-like traits/capabilities.

 

This could be true, but I think most would agree that out search for intelligent life has more to do with our need to learn more about ourselves and our own world than anything else, so it is hardly suprising that we orient it along lines that would be of use to search for a human/earth-like civilization.

 

In order to plan and conduct an effectual search for non-Earth life it would be wise and prudent to first comprehend the basic nature of life that may be common to all possible forms of life.

 

I think this can be tied into what I said above , and projects like SETI and our exploration of space is one way we are doing this; which I believe, will prove much more productive than any theoretical discussions on 'what is life'.

I voted star trek: voyager, had great characters, great writing, and incorporated a lot of true science concepts into the show. Although I do admit it started to get a bit tired towards the end; and i have never really watched B5...

I voted star trek: voyager, had great characters, great writing, and incorporated a lot of true science concepts into the show. Although I do admit it started to get a bit tired towards the end; and i have never really watched B5...

Thanks all. The Welsh comments from those who I gather are English intrigue me. One of the Brits who came over was from Wales and had actually taken speaking lessons to rid herself of the Welsh accent. It actually was in fact a few English people in our group who revealed the Welsh inferiority concept to me over many drinks one night. For some reason it doesn't seem applicable to the Scots . . .

i dunno, most of my family are welsh and i always thought it was that scotland, ireland etc have a stronger cultural identity than the welsh; and then theres the unemployment and their economy's kinda struggling..

Thanks all. The Welsh comments from those who I gather are English intrigue me. One of the Brits who came over was from Wales and had actually taken speaking lessons to rid herself of the Welsh accent. It actually was in fact a few English people in our group who revealed the Welsh inferiority concept to me over many drinks one night. For some reason it doesn't seem applicable to the Scots . . .

i dunno, most of my family are welsh and i always thought it was that scotland, ireland etc have a stronger cultural identity than the welsh; and then theres the unemployment and their economy's kinda struggling..

I think that the same thing would happen in any similar situation, and most people (in a group) would not voluntarily take the oppurtunity to get involved in the others culture, especially when it seems the british side holds the upper hand in this particular power struggle.

The same arguments are often used about immigration and immigrant communities, and its usually only the children of immigrants who become integrated into the others society. In other words i think this is an almost unaviodable outcome unless a concerted effort is made to stop this from occuring.

Oh and i agree with sayonara, British people dont think they are personally superior to Welsh people, but some think that the Welsh society has a few problems right now, many Welsh people included.

I think that the same thing would happen in any similar situation, and most people (in a group) would not voluntarily take the oppurtunity to get involved in the others culture, especially when it seems the british side holds the upper hand in this particular power struggle.

The same arguments are often used about immigration and immigrant communities, and its usually only the children of immigrants who become integrated into the others society. In other words i think this is an almost unaviodable outcome unless a concerted effort is made to stop this from occuring.

Oh and i agree with sayonara, British people dont think they are personally superior to Welsh people, but some think that the Welsh society has a few problems right now, many Welsh people included.

If Jesus returns will he be christian this time or will he still be jewish?

The first one was better, i like the combo of sincerity and cynical humour, the second seemed flippant.

Congrats on new son!

how does it 'become genetic'?? it seems that one of us here does not understand evolution (obviously not including ed84c) and i'm hoping it's not me. The curved back thing is an example of social change not evolutionary change. So can we get back to the topic?

That will affect the way in which we evolve[/i'], rather than whether we evolve.

Yes that is along the lines of what i was getting at, it would seem to me that our physical appearance and attributes would stay pretty much the same and any evolution would be along more social lines, yet they say that we are consistantly getting taller, and that whole business with losing one finger (or did that come from the simpsons )

So if this is true what is the driving force if its not sexual selection or early death?