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Posts by Banshii and JustinW have been moved to the trash. Using some elese's thread to promote your own pet theory is hijacking.

 

You may bring up such discussion in a thread that you have introduced, but limit it to that thread.

 

 

My intent is not to hijack. My intent is to reply to the thread and questions asked me. I have stated, "Gravity is a perceptual illusion." I have also expressed a willingness to provide models if persons are willing to set aside certain presuppositions that would make understanding my models impossible.

I have a few private conversations actively discussing models that unfortunately can't fit into your rules. I do understand your complaint and will keep my critiques minimized. I do plan on starting a FB group or two that can focus on higher-level understandings.

I am not a Mathemagician and the rules are custom fit for the insane determinations of mainstream science-minded folks who have blocked learning by cementing concepts. I have the same battle with so called, "Rational Scientists," who claim their objectivity and observerless data. They define their terms to custom fit their presuppositions, but even with their naïveté about objectivity they are a big leap ahead of you and your science-kind of minds.

I do communicate with like-minded folks who have the skill set to explain some of my assumptions to you but you could not handle the out-of-box thinking required to even entertain the premises.

First, to prepare oneself to learn anything from me and those like-minded, one must have an understanding of how perceptions and conceptualizations are related, and you provide no evidence of the capacity to even comprehend such a state of mind.

Any science-minded person could achieve an adequate mistrust in facts from history, facts of potential, and most important what is preceived as facts derived from body-sensory-input devices. Furthermore, trusting that insufficient data to be accurately complied by a blob of organics dwelling in skulls compounds the distortions and limitations to conceptualized an infestismal bit of reality.

Nothing personal, you are only humans, frail, dumb as dog dodo, and think pomp, circumstance and scrolled lambskin make you special, when in fact, it only keeps you stupid.

The pathway from understanding to Knowledge is a terribly difficult process of unlearning. Yes, undoing, shedding, forgetting everything you have learned about everything and starting from scratch.

No, I do not believe you have the foggiest idea of what I speak, only a rare few have even an inkling. Then why do I even bother? Good question if you had lucked into such a question. Yes, luck, that is your slim hope out of your mental fog, hope that someday this seeming-nonsensical writing triggers a spark within your mind. Perhaps in a dream or just in an instant, a flash the folly of your assumed-solid facts crumble and let's you get a glimpse beyond your own obstructions.

The is no error on my part. You, on the other hand, have smoke screened yourself into dumbfounded conclusions and evidence that does not prove what you says it does.

Ah I see, despite being told there is no such thing as time particles you choose to ignore studying where your understanding was in error. Gotcha

 

 

 

Why don't you start your own thread and post the predictive power of your metrics. I'd be curious to see how intelligent and comprehensive your mathematics work with your idea. How ever I suppose you don't have any do you?

 

 

Too bad really, that's your loss I supplied you the material to correct your misunderstandings. There no TIME PARTICLE. Time is not a material of any form.

 

Time is the observer measured rate of change or duration of a system being measured.

I already explained your misconceptions of space time fabric in your other thread. Again you showed a lack of desire in learning why your understanding of space time is in error.

I already explained your misconceptions of space time fabric in your other thread. Again you showed a lack of desire in learning why your understanding of space time is in error.

You are playing silly games with numbers and concepts that you hulucinate into physical form. You are the one not learning.

What amazes me is the fools who still join themselves with concepts of absurdity, that is making an idea, 'time' and it have physical form. Please gather up some of those time particles and mail them to me.

Until the science-minded establishment gets the guts to admit the lunacy of SpaceTime fabric warping to explain gravity this planet will remain stuck in stupidity.

 

The "speed" of the electron is not well-defined in atoms because they are not in eigenstates of the velocity operator. The best you can really do is an order-of-magnitude calculation:

 

[math]\frac{mv^2}{2} \sim \frac{e^2}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r}[/math]

 

[math]mv \sim \hbar / r[/math]

 

so:

 

[math]v \sim \frac{e^2}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \hbar c} \, c = \alpha c \approx \frac{c}{137}[/math]

 

This is not a very large fraction of the speed of light. I.e. electrons do not really have "immense speed" in atoms, which is why non-relativistic quantum mechanics works so well.

 

 

What field? What do you mean by "vortexes (sic)"?

 

 

What do you mean by "probably"? That sounds very vague.

 

 

This is all rather vague as well. It's hard to comment on "theories" which are not well-defined or precise. This is why math is important.

 

 

Beliefs should be based on evidence. Apparently you don't agree? I can't argue with someone who does not take seriously the scientific method.

 

 

Except we know for a fact that it does. This was demonstrated in 1919 with the original Eddington experiment to test General Relativity.

Edition'so experiment only proved light curved, that's it, nada, zip, nothing else.

The cause you claim is not proven. Other causes of light curvature are possible without gravity.

Numbers and symbols to achieve an understanding about reality are better off left to the Mathemagicians. Same with philosophy, religion, or physically observed experiments even with technological enhancements the information, data, from any discipline still has to be inputed into the organic skull-dwelling blob by inept human-sensory collectors.

The ridiculious fabrications manifested keeps human stuck in a trance of make believe. For instance, time and time again, I have repeated that time is human-construct, imagined in intervals for multiple purposes. Too many science-minded folks are so untraced by the fabricated for of time that is so deeply buried in their unconscious and predispossings that it smoke screens reality.

Time is nothing. It is not part of anything. It has no physical form, it has not coupled with anything except for the dull-minded folks who lace the fortitude to scratch time off the list of any factors they have previously considered. "Don't take my time away," their puny little egos cry. Time given numbers is furthering the delusion of time-existence. Time used in measuring is so insane that the crazy can't help but believe it. Untill the science-minded folks figure their way out of the fantasies not true thing will be understood.

The only time related term that deserves any consideration is "Simultaneous." The so called "...past...future...present..," all happen Now, and Now has no form.

Einstein's work as an example is so silly, I waste no time with it anymore. I'll take that back. C^2 the most impossible has merit.

But, that not up for discussion until somebody teachable comes along.

I am not a philosopher.

I am wasting time with folks who must have time in 'form' to make-up theories and tests to prove them.

This is not the forum that will work.

Does the moment that happened just a moment ago still exist? Does the future end when it is now? Man made-up time. To measur intervals during now. As soon as a nano-second occurs it is gone forever. Any use of time in form or concept is a construct of the human mind and is not real. To do experiments involving time is pure fantasy and can only prove more fantasy.

Even measuring velocity incorporating time further clouds reality.

The problem with sciences is they all involve observers, even rational scientists who claim they remove the observer from their aussumptions are deducting based of some observation made at sometime.

What I think science-minded folks need to accept is that body-sensory devices are too frail and inadequate to collect sufficient data to compute with body brains that distort, filter, and delet data for processing. Human body sensory devices enhanced by technology bare make I dent in surmountable information necessary for accurate evaluation of reality. Further, distortions with numbers and factors and constructs that defy reality can be nothing more than the building of religion. And, the non-conformists are ridiculed and cared out because they don't by into the trucks scientist pull on the gullible.

Provide one single thread of evidence that proves time has physical form.

It's really quite simple. Photons have a curved trajectory because of multiple-directional forces because of a self-tucking structure.

Then you need to find some evidence to support your ludicrous claims.

 

As mentioned GR is well tested, physics does not instantly take any claim at face value, GR has been fought tooth and nail trying to prove wrong. GUess what, that hasn't happened.

 

Now on to your ridiculous claim that light naturally curved. I mentioned lasers, if light naturally curved laser would quickly lose coherence, once it leaves the laser.

 

If light naturally curves on its own every image we view in space would be highly distorted we wouldn't even be able to see beyond our own galaxy due to the resultant distortions.

 

Go ahead try it lets say the light path from a star curves 1 degree per Mpc. Would you see an object at 4000 Mpc. Would angles add up to 180 degrees?

 

Instead of randomly denying GR, perhaps you should spend time understanding why the model works and what it really means.

 

Your argument is essentially " I don't like chocolate,"

 

" have you tasted it"

 

"No I just don't like it"

 

It's easy to discount something you obviously don't understand. Guess what, if you took the time to understand it, it's not as ridiculous as you might think.

By the way space time is not something mystical fabric. That's pop media crap

Don't let me waste your time, because you surely are with me. What? You don't think I understand your science mind? It's no surprise you come back at me with your believed facts. Science has turned into religious dogma for most of you guys, alternative ideas you treat like "Sin," get that hermitic out of here, chain him in the dungeon.

It has already been proven by accident trying to prove Eintein:

"Einstein predicted that light should be bent by gravity. Sir Arthur Eddington lead an expedition to photograph the 1919 Total Eclipse of the Sun. The photographs revealed stars whose light had passed near to the Sun. Their positions showed that the light had been bent exactly as Einstein had predicted. The experiment was repeated in 1922 with another eclipse with the same confirmation.

Answered by: John Pindar, B.S., Physics teacher (Secondary), Newton-le-Willows, UK"

Either Albert was joking or making fun of the science minded.

However, this proves light has a curved trajectory, it is the why that was wrong.

Skedaddle, get over there and spout off your theory, you are messing with our made up minds, isn't that what you mean?

This forum, "Why does mass curve space-time," caught my attention because of its absurd premise.

Yes, of course it is. In order to process the theory, first time to switched back to a verbs. Without that first step it is nothing more than overfilling an already full vessel.

My theiry undoes SpaceTime-fabric warping to produces a gravity-like effect.

It is only a few that are willing to toss out the mad idea of turning time into physical form. Let alone being able to cognitively shred the fabric of SpaceTime would require a lobotomy or a rare open mindedness.

Most would rather insult the messenger and message in preference to abolishing all their pomp and circumstance, lambskin scrolls, and whistling in the dark founding sources.

Something as simple as admitting that time is not a physical form blocks the science-minded in lala land.

But, thanks for the discussion.

If anyone out there in cyber-world reads this and thinks they are ready to overcome the effects of one little noun please chim in.

Geodesics are the shortest path in curved space. In Euclidean geometry the shortest path between two points is a straight line. In curved space it's not the case. Your argument denies curved space.

 

 

Which by the way is extremely well tested.

Photons do not make a path they follow geodesics

GR is extremely well tested

Yes, I am denying curved space, curved SpaceTime and tests proving otherwise. All physics is flawed in trying to explain or describe "Gravity."

Rather than warped SpaceTime fabric explaining gravity and light being influenced by that same SpaceTime warping, it is solely the behavior of light. The same measurements could be made without the ludicrous and mad idea of of turning time and space from verbs to nouns. That's why Einstein stuck his tongue out at the gullible science community.

Please capture me some time particles and mail them too me, I could use a few extra years.

I use the term, "Photon," loosely.

Geodesics are curved.

"Photons," as you call them, don't follow the path they make the path.

Not all light have equal curvature. Not all light have identical velocity either.

All sciences are a folly. All light has a curved trajectory.

Spacetime is a folly. All light has curvature trajectory.

 

Yes, this is completely understood, but is there a form of interaction that doesn't require observation?

 

does falling tree make a sound without an observer?

 

Is it even possible to interact with an electron without an observer? This is mind boggling. Are we certain the collapse of the wave function is due to the interaction with photons and only photons? I understand nothing is certain in this universe, but I'm sure you understand what I mean.[/

All deminsions are part of the whole. Separateness is nothing more than a maladaptive solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

How are we able to observe other dimensions. From what I understand, shadows are 2 dimensional, but what about the first dimension. I also understand that the fourth dimension is too complicated for our minds to completely perceive, although we can make representations of what it looks like to us.

At Universal City I rode on a ride that seemed 4D.

As the screen had a 3D movie of what I would see riding a roller coaster while my seat shook and I got sprayed with mists of water.

I just listened to a man speak, who some call him "Guru" say that when we die is when we realize that this world we are in is all fake. Perhaps there is a fourth demension or many deminsions for that matter. Maybe 4D+ is what remains after all that is fake is gone.

The temperature it can/may create Gravity ?

 

 

System by ... Thermo_Fusion_Attractive

Makes sense that the rope-like connectors of atoms would carry heat as well as tortion, vibrations, etc...

I have hacked myself and do so hourly.

There was beginning nor will there be an ending. They are thing that happen that appear as such but they are only illusions.

Anything that is both vertual concepts and exists are illusions, not real, magic and preposterous.

If photons could be threatened they would be unreal.

Photons if real must have atomic/sub-atomic particles.

Atoms are connected to all other atoms. Those connectors cause a push/pull effect of what we call "Gravity."

It is true and a bit odd. The great Pyramid Age of Egypt was circa 2,400 BC or some 600 years after the joining of the "Two Lands" under the Scorpion King (yes, there really was one. ) in about 3,000 BC. At this time the Egyptians only had a sort of proto pulley that wasn't much more than a groove in the rock.

 

The earliest known wheels were actually potters wheels from Mesopotamia dating from 3,800 BC or so, it took a further 600 years before some bright spark thought of turning the potters wheel on its side and using an axle. Maybe his wheel fell off the bench and rolled down the hill, thus sparking the idea, we'll simply never know. But the wheel and cart appeared circa 3,200 BC.

 

What is truly remarkable is that the Egyptians remained oblivious to the wheel and its incredible weapon of war, the Chariot for over 1,000 years. (However this could be due to a complete lack of horses in the region.) Horses and chariots were introduced into Egypt by the Hyksos invaders in about 1,800 BC, who then ruled northern Egypt as Pharoahs for 100 years or so. It was only after the descendants of the "original" Pharonic lines who held southern Egypt adopted the chariot and built them in large numbers were the kingdoms again united and the Hyksos rulers deposed.

 

However, to directly answer your questions. About 3,200 BC and somewhere in the region of Mesopotamia.

Fantastic! Now I can impress family and friends with the wonderful information you provided. Thank you very much!

Who among you believe the Big Bang as the beginning, the creation?