Consistency

You misunderstood. Do I need to type it out for you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_%28personal_and_cultural%29

Re-read my post. Religion and other false studies = brainwashed = can't think for yourself = hypocrite. Not brainwashed = think for youself = nonconformist = not a hypocrite.

Excellent wise story. Sadly there is always dimwit egoistic natural followers that wreck everything by trying to lead. Another excellent story. There is something to learn from, be generous to an extant to those who deserve it but don't let people walk all over you. Religion is an excellent way to relax the mind. Its excellent to control the masses. What you write a sign of a wise mind. Sadly not everyone understands that happiness comes from within.

I'm skeptical and would like too see the big picture. What do you do or did for a living? Do you have any regrets about things you did in the past towards others? Government bureaucrats have a lot of regrets when they retire. I would like to see how the clown behaves behind closed doors. My father is the type who is an abusive person behind closed doors and the nicest person out in public. Typical two faced person that sucks the life out of people by either being extremely nice or abusive.

I answered your question. Hence wasn't making a statement and please stop splitting up my paragraphs. Autodidact implies a person who can only learn by teaching oneself. I understood you perfectly and your inadequate way of thinking. Observing, analyzing and hypothesizing will always be more efficient than making assumptions when dealing with scientific research. Do you believe doing experiments counts as making assumptions when all the data already validates the experiment? Thats your own fault for having pieces mixed with those of another puzzle. When doing scientific research; its obvious to spot scientific research which doesn't fit with the currect subject one is researching. The math doesn't add up. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cn3000923 What about the pill hoppers that keep trying different pills because of the side effects? http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/1594-how-many-antidepressant-meds-have-you-tried/ Hahaha. I had and still have reasonable grounds. Naturally, animals products don't contain enough Vitamin B12; hence why animals require supplementation. And we have no killing instincts unless we are severely in ketosis. Inverse correlation is appropriate when a reader is missing 99% of the pieces.

Start by doing experiments you can actually measure. The thing about the mind is that it can conjure up information that has no bearing with reality.

What else could it possibly mean? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/chemical/waterdens.html Crystals can expand and aren't biological.

Source: http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0301/p979.html Meat is because the majority of the B12 that is produced industrially goes to animal feed. In reality, because of human intervention, animal products most likely contain more B12 than stated. I've attached an image.

You know.. assuming that the ocean is the sky and that a green mountain is a green field. And the irony of taking shortcuts by completing the edges first. Assumption: A thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof The proof is the specific features of each and every single puzzle piece. Slow and steady wins the race. If I analyze the piece and its side is perfectly straight, proof, I am going to hypothesize its an edge piece, memorize the picture or a specific feature of the puzzle piece and put it aside. obvious consequences are the mountain of antidepressants that are taken by the majority. There is many reasons why you wouldn't like fruits and vegetables.. pesticides, unripe, etc.. nothing to do with a specific fruit. By telling me that you don't like fruits and vegetables.. its like saying that you can't eat anything else and must only eat animal products. Every time someone makes an analysis on animal products, there is always meat eaters defending animal products like their life depended on it. Just because they eat less B12, it has nothing to do with living longer. It has to do with eating more leafy greens.. more vitamins and minerals. Biochemical reactions in the body require vitamins and minerals from natural foods as co-factors. Magnesium, b vitamins, etc.. Correlation isn't causation.

Expansion is the same as biological growth? (rhetorical question)

LOL. You assume I make my puzzle like that. Since everyone loves einstein so much... Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The majority of the bacteria in their guts don't have the enzymes to produce B12. Different strains of bacteria are better equipped at doing specific tasks. Hence symbiosis in the gut. The bovine bacteria strain yields more B12 than other strains of bacteria. This is a scientific fact. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960852411016853 Even us humans have 2 strains of bacteria; 1 strain being more efficient at producing B12 than the other. The rest of your post is rubbish. No one is telling you to give up your meat.

I guess it is... On a serious note.. plants grow as the result of the stimulis.. ice doesn't.

I said that being in a coma is unnatural. Hence I wasn't agreeing with the wikipedia page and ultimately I am agreeing with you. Plants do respond to stimuli. Hence being conscious of their environment. http://leavingbio.net/plant%20responses.htm http://www.dovesong.com/positive_music/plant_experiments.asp

No. I analyze the picture on the puzzle piece and see if there is similarities with the other pieces, and put the piece in when I am sure that it fits there. There is a difference between doing your own science from scratch and taking already completed science. I understand your point. They did nothing differently. What is the difference between their tropical environment and the zoo environment? LOL. Do you have the article about vegan children? My hypothesis is that they dropped a human habit. I am in no way doubting that a bacterium produces it. They use fermentation and add the stimulating molecule to increase the yield; they don't know that they can just add the stimulating molecule with the growth factors, very little glucose to inhibit fermentation and the bacterium will be forced to produce B12, the first enzyme that gets stimulated in the pathway is inhibited by glucose, heme and another factor. They mostly use the bovine strain today, Propionibacterium shermanii, it produces a lot more B12 since cows are bigger animals, hence require more B12 but they used our human bacteria strains to produce B12 supplements for us at the beginning of industrial production. Its funny... I laugh when I read B12 research from the late 1970's which indirectly states that we've known about the 2 human bacteria strains which produce B12 since the late 1920's... Sometimes I get paranoid and think the science is being hidden because thats what it looks like. Gotcha. Excellent point.

Excellent points. I agree. I feel the same. The B12 issue will end the same as the Vitamin D issue. At first the researchers thought that Vitamin D was only needed to cure rickets and then they discovered a host of different benefits. Such as mental health, immune system, etc.. Sure.. animal products contain enough B12 to keep you alive. Not thrive. http://www.hormonalfitness.com/facts/HFN 9 - b12 Cobalamin.pdf B12 acts as a cofactor in synthesis of neurotransmitters such as serotonin and dopamine, thus B12 deficiency affects mood, emotions and sleeping and can lead to psychiatric disorders. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3271502/ By the way, B12 deficiency does not mean pernicious anemia. It means B12 levels are in the low range.

Have you ever tried a B12 supplement? http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/2/693S.full http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nutr.24.012003.132440?journalCode=nutr

Its not a strawman. Its a way of thinking which works. Unfortunately; you don't seem to understand. What if a person doesn't make assumptions? Hence the science doesn't contain assumptions. Agreed but same applies to chimps and gorillas in zoo's. Poor animals had or still have to eat their own feces for B12. I can neither confirm nor deny since I don't know if the mystery stimulating molecule is found in the colon juices or if B12 is produced after the fermentation process. This... Why do you believe putting it in public domain is more important than a journal?

Lets say you decide to do a 1000 piece puzzle.. do you make assumptions about where the pieces go or do you analyze and hypothesize to see where the pieces fit? How does not communicating have anything to do with not being scientific? Its a silent epidemic. Even if animal products did provide enough B12, which they don't, not everyone has evolved the absorbtion mechanism in the intestines. I want to understand why you believe this...

Glycine on the left of L-glutamate feeds into the pathway... Glycine is not the mystery molecule. Another error in the biosynthetic pathway; the chart says we lack the reductase enzyme. Honest mistake. http://www.genome.jp/kegg-bin/show_pathway?org_name=hsa&mapno=00860&mapscale=1.0&show_description=show I am the OP and you're the one who started with the science while the first post had nothing to do with it. What I know in no way goes against what is accepted; it is something similar(as in the biosynthesis) yet totally different. Everyone is making assumptions on the location of the biosynthesis. Maybe I will make an official post to propose my theory. Making assumptions isn't very scientific. When did I say I didn't accept that human's gut bacteria produce plenty of B12? I am expected if I propose a theory. I didn't propose anything. Bold part: Can you tell me why?

Dietary supplementation of lutein reduces colon carcinogenesis in DMH-treated rats by modulating K-ras, PKB, and β-catenin proteins.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128180 Abstract In colon cancer, disturbances have been detected in genes coding for proteins involved in cellular proliferation, such as K-ras, β-catenin, extracellular signal-regulated kinases (ERKs), and the protein kinase B (PKB). Although carotenoids such as lutein have an important role to prevent and treat some types of cancer, there are very few studies about the effect of lutein against colon cancer and its activity at the molecular level. Therefore, the aim of this study was to evaluate the chemoprotective activity of lutein against colon cancer induced by dimethylhydrazine (DMH). The results showed a significant increase in protein expression for K-ras and β-catenin in tumors of DMH-treated rats. Simultaneously, we detected changes in the phosphorylation state of ERK1/2 and PKB in DMH-treated animals. Lutein given in the diet (0.002%), before (prevention) and after (treatment) DMH administration, diminished the number of tumors by 55% and 32%, respectively. Moreover, lutein significantly decreased in tumors the expression of K-ras (25%) and β-catenin (28%) and the amount of pPKB (32%), during the prevention, and 39%, 26%, and 26% during the treatment stage, respectively. This study demonstrates the chemoprotective effect of lutein against colon cancer by modulating the proliferative activity of K-ras, PKB, and β-catenin proteins. Sources of Lutein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutein#In_nutrition Large quantities of green juices, which contain lutein, are part of the Gerson Therapy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_standard Pony up some scientific evidence to your claims!

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There is no link. Just assumptions about what I mean and/or how I think. Nope. Thats a reduction of aquacobalamin(B12 from seaweed) to a usable form of B12 and we humans can't reduce it nor use it. I didn't ask and wasn't suggesting liver was the only source of B12. I made an initial statement followed by a question to reinforce my initial statement that animal products in total don't contain enough B12 to fulfill everyone's daily requirements. If animal products did in total fulfill everyone's daily requirements, we wouldn't see a B12 deficiency epidemic. I am not required to answer your questions. Researchers have been chasing their tails for years and that's not my fault. Its half true since you don't understand the pathways. I never said the enzymes occupied mammalian hosts but I did kinda say that 1 set of enzymes can only work when bacteria is in a mammalian environment; hence mammalian enzymes, hence if you would read the chart carefully, you'll see the anaerobic pathway, mammalian, and the aerobic pathway, when bacteria resides in the environment, such as soil. Sure genetically modified bacteria do utilize anaerobic enzymes in a man-made anaerobic environment which mimics that of mammals and are stimulated with the second molecule in the pathway which is produced artificially in a lab. Its artificial biosynthesis, not natural. The point of my thread is not to share ideas. Its about finding a way for me to share them without running into a selfish person with a degree that will steal my way of seeing the world and take complete credit for it. That wouldn't be very fair now. I'm talking about life in general and always getting the short end of the stick. Doesn't anyone here have connections? Unfortunately for me; I am not like everyone else, hence it doesn't apply to me. I see not having a high school education as a big problem since its just me, my willingness to learn what interests me and my intellect. A lot of people equate formal education with genius and thats not fair. Some of us can only learn individually and we have what I call "obligate selective memory", we can only remember what interests us. How can someone like me really be recognized when my way of learning is opposite of the system? They aren't really qualified in the subject. A person can know the basic's of biochemistry and still not understand the biosynthetic pathways. Can you really trust anyone over the internet?

Michael Jordan once said, “To be successful you have to be selfish, or else you never achieve. And once you get to your highest level, then you have to be unselfish. Stay reachable. Stay in touch. Don’t isolate.” I recently read the quote above and then remembered the quote below. So.. Do you need to be selfish to be successful? “Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.” - Lao Tzu

The 10 year chart is extremely misleading because its a mix of actual and predicted figures. The survival rates rise to unrealistic years when predicted values were inserted in the chart. I've provided scientific articles. How is cancer prevention not the same as cancer treatment? Cancer prevention involves the body getting the essential nutrients in lower doses so the immune system can defend itself however the gerson cancer treatment involves the body getting the essential nutrients from vegetable juices in much higher quantities so the immune system can defend itself a lot more efficiently against the cancer. I don't understand what is so hard to understand.