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moon: God can do anything He wants. ...So what. ....He tossed Sodom and Gamora fire and brimstone, flooded at Noah. killed the first male children of Egypt, tossed Adam into nature. In your Abraham case, God was known by Abraham to be God so he proceeded to obey, but God interceded and prevented Isaac's death. God was severe then but Jesus / Christ moved humanity into "Grace" and gave us the Good News at God's will. The severity of OT laws are not applicable now. At Judgment, God will again be very severe to evil. zorro

moon A"voice" telling you to "kiill your children" is insane and Satanistic. ..... Most geniuses were considered wakos at sometime in their lives. ... I site: Copernicus, Galileo, Feynman, Einstein, Spinoza .. This is also true of Religious humans as Jesus, the Apostles. Paul, Billy Graham, Evangelics, Martin Luther, ..... Intellectuals and religionists zealots have a hard time reinventing their dogma and prefer to demonize with power others and their new thinking. zorro .....

I am simply saying that I agree with most of what you say. The Universe didn't come from nothing by a nothing first event. It was created from nothing. Even if nothing is unbounded or bounded. zorro.....

hello, jacq: The input energy must be the major factor in computing energy transfer and reflection. Energy input here is Solar Winds and other magnetic emissions from the sun. All are deflected by the Magnetosphere. If your computer analysis lacks this and other significant and factors, it isn't useful . zorro ....

Thanx moon. ..Zorro

I have conversed "free will" on many other forums. I do not remember you or your positions. God sent Adam and Eve out of His care and support to scaveng in nature for commiting "Original Sin". God tested Adam to choose between good and evil with a free will and. Adam failed. So now we have free will but we die and forrage in nature freed or suffering by separation from god. To contain Satan and pass the Word, God created a seperatre angelic entinity named Holy Ghost to act in God's behalf and to transmitt His Word. zorro Seems to me that you are a wavering Atheist. So What? To each his own. What is FTL? My Marquee is "Everything From Nothing". zorro

Of coarse you void this temptation because it is Satan speaking. ...There are no more religious wakos than geniuses, they all have brains that sometime escapes to infinity. Which on the whole is good. zorro .....

I usually start with my belly button. Since I have one and so did my mother and her mother .... and so on. In the beginning there is no ancestor and God had to create the reproductive pair as well as the sympathetic environment from nothing. zorro ...

moon: God doesn't have his hand on the tiller of the universe. He is at rest now and his creations move on adrift. Humans also have free Will to choose among good and evil and we too are adrift. zorro ....

correct. there are even bounded infinities. ie: what are the rational and irrational division between 3 and 4 . .... infinite. 4 >......3.5, 3.25, pi. 3.125 .........> 3 zorro ....

sure it does: and with its 96.5% Carbon Dioxide atmosphere it can sustain itself from solar radiation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus " Magnetic field and core Size comparison of terrestrial planets (left to right): Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars in true-color. In 1967, Venera-4 found the Venusian magnetic field is much weaker than that of Earth. This magnetic field is induced by an interaction between the ionosphere and the solar wind,[60][61] rather than by an internal dynamo in the core like the one inside the Earth. Venus's small induced magnetosphere provides negligible protection to the atmosphere against cosmic radiation. This radiation may result in cloud-to-cloud lightning discharges.[62] The lack of an intrinsic magnetic field at Venus was surprising given it is similar to Earth in size, and was expected also to contain a dynamo at its core. A dynamo requires three things: A conducting liquid, rotation, and convection. The core is thought to be electrically conductive and, while its rotation is often thought to be too slow, simulations show it is adequate to produce a dynamo.[63][64] This implies the dynamo is missing because of a lack of convection in the Venusian core. On Earth, convection occurs in the liquid outer layer of the core because the bottom of the liquid layer is much hotter than the top. On Venus, a global resurfacing event may have shut down plate tectonics and led to a reduced heat flux through the crust. This caused the mantle temperature to increase, thereby reducing the heat flux out of the core. As a result, no internal geodynamo is available to drive a magnetic field. Instead, the heat energy from the core is being used to reheat the crust.[65] One possibility is Venus has no solid inner core,[66] or its core is not currently cooling, so the entire liquid part of the core is at approximately the same temperature. Another possibility is its core has already completely solidified. The state of the core is highly dependent on the concentration of sulfur, which is unknown at present.[65] The weak magnetosphere around Venus means the solar wind is interacting directly with the outer atmosphere of the planet. Here, ions of hydrogen and oxygen are being created by the dissociation of neutral molecules from ultraviolet radiation. The solar wind then supplies energy that gives some of these ions sufficient velocity to escape the planet's gravity field. This erosion process results in a steady loss of low-mass hydrogen, helium, and oxygen ions, while higher-mass molecules, such as carbon dioxide, are more likely to be retained. Atmospheric erosion by the solar wind most probably led to the loss of most of the planet's water during the first billion years after it formed. The erosion has increased the ratio of higher-mass deuterium to lower-mass hydrogen in the upper atmosphere by a multiple of 150 times the ratio in the lower atmosphere.[67] " because of the carbon dioxide. sure does, read it again, put on your glasses this time: solar input controls greenhouse. magnetosphere controls sun's input. You confuse greenhouse with atmospheric heating absorption and releases and photosynthesis and earth surface reflections and absorption. Greenhouse is a reflection off atmospheric gases is well known. Ignoring the magnetosphere and solar winds is not science. I haven't said this here, You just now introduced it. ??? zorro bye BTW: IMHO, Global warming is cyclic depending on the Magnetosphere and is only slightly effected by human activities, cow, sheep, and Termite methane flatulence

swan ask's: I most certainly did. Swan questions a distortion from temp with Sun activity, He neglects to present the avg. temp of the earth charts from NASA on those years nor the NASA distribution charts of solar activity for 20 years before his periods and 20 years after. Obviously he is not serious here, which is ok, and i came back with a snippet if he were in a sauna. I note that he has yet to let us know if his sauna is still working. zorro .....

moon: The magnetosphere deflect the solar rays as well as Electromagnetic waves away from the Planets. Planets without a Magnetosphere have no atmosphere and thus no greenhouse. The more rays deflected the less the so called greenhouse effect. http://srag-nt.jsc.nasa.gov/SpaceRadiation/What/What.cfm I don't think that specific heat has much effect. The reflective parameters of Ozone, water vapor, green plants .... seem to me are more of a factor. zorro ...

swan: (you must live in a sauna, just kiddin): as you see in my post above, these cycles are not exact peak to peak. no one knows for sure but it is postulated that the inner Son's iron dynamo goes unstable and generates distortions in it's magnetic field. I happen to think it is due to the positioning of Jupiter's magnetosphere in respect to the Suns's and the Earth's. Please note that Jupiter's orbital period is around 11years in SYNC with the Sun's storm's cycle. zorro ...

miss: i use 6 browsers off and on. this includes my iPhone. now I am replying direct with Safari. i do change the color to deep red which makes it easier to see and find my replies. now I am using Verdana font with a size 3. My computer is an iMac 27in w/bootcamp so I go back and forth from OS-8 Mountain Lion to Win 7. When I am OP I put my posts on Word for Mac or Word for Win depending how wordy I need to get. I will be happy to get inline with what you, moon and the Admin prefers. zorro ...

moon: (how is this font ?? it seems more difficult for me but whatever} The greenhouse effect is a bounce of the Sun's rays we get which are controlled by the Magnetosphere. (period) In this Solar system all planets with an atmosphere exhibit greenhouse effects. {look it up} http://helios.gsfc.n...gov/magnet.html The Earth's Magnetosphere Earth's Magnetosphere in the News In spite of its low density, the solar wind, and its accompanying magnet field, is strong enough to interact with the planets and their magnetic fields to shape magnetospheres. A magnetosphere is the region surrounding a planet where the planet's magnetic field dominates. Because the ions in the solar plasma are charged, they interact with these magnetic fields, and solar wind particles are swept around planetary magnetospheres. Life on Earth has developed under the protection of this magnetosphere.The shape of the Earth's magnetosphere is the direct result of being blasted by solar wind. Solar wind compresses its sunward side to a distance of only 6 to 10 times the radius of the Earth. A supersonic shock wave is created sunward of Earth somewhat like a sonic boom. This shock wave is called the bow shock. Most of the solar wind particles are heated and slowed at the bow shock and detour around the Earth. Solar wind drags out the night-side magnetosphere to possibly 1000 times Earth's radius; its exact length is not known. This extension of the magnetosphere is known as the magnetotail. Many other planets in our solar system have magnetospheres of similar, solar wind-influenced shapes. The Earth is a Planet if you haven't noticed. I contributed to your theme by telling you are falling off track with the "Planet Designer" . This would apply to all planets. zorro .... OP theme:

Correct. Global Warming is Politics not science. The maxes we see are because the Sun is approachintg max (2013) and its magnetic field is reversing. Climate heating was predictable some 50 years ago. The same conditions will happen in 10 to 20 years. So don't worry. zorro http://forum.chaosco...p?topic=6719.90 http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/

moon: I don't mind being embarrassed as long as I learn something or helping a friend get out of a bind. That is how I maintain a negative track record. zorro BTW: According to my spwell checker, you misspelled embarrassed. ..... I did accommodate the OP. The greenhouse effect major factor is the magnetosphere and cycles 10 to 11 years dependent on Jupiter's Magnetosphere's cycles and strengts. Planet Designer is silent on these effects and thus worthless. OP theme: " Is it possible to calculate the greenhouse effect of an atmosphere? Consider the Earth except with 10 times the air pressure, would the greenhouse effect be 10 times as much? Is there a way to figure out a good approximation of the greenhouse effect? <br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); "><br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); ">The greenhouse effect of the Earths atmosphere raises the temp 36C<br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); "><br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); ">I am trying to use this site Planet Designer to calculate a planet 3 AU from the Earths sun that would be inhabitable. I am looking at an atmosphere of about 150 psi at the surface. I need close to 300C in greenhouse effect to do this.<br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); "><br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); ">So far I have found out that adding helium to the planets atmosphere lowers it's specific heat capacity, i would assume that this would lower the greenhouse effect?<br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); "><br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(248, 250, 252); ">I have figured out how to change the value of specific heat capacity and assuming a greenhouse effect of 150C I get a typical surface temp of 22.9C but the 150C number is just an assumption. I can't figure out how to predict the greenhouse effect of the planets atmosphere. " back to you .....

hello khaled: the quantum theory you speak to states: assumes that both matter and anti matter and all the rules are in place. At first cause set at nothing, there is no matter, no energy, no rules, no anti-matter, no ignition, no spark, no fields, no creation activator...nothing. Nothing cannot annihilate into something nor nothing. zorro ......

Maybe you answer your own question that "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" are bogus speculations at best. It is more likely Atmospheric Cycles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere zorro ....

Once you arrive at nothing, nothing is infinite and nothing is bounded. Therefor you have no options and you aren't there either to set one in motion. zorro ....

You have entered the world of imaginary numbers. (imagine that). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number An imaginary number is a number whose square is less than or equal to zero.[1] For example, is an imaginary number and its square is . An imaginary number can be written as a real number multiplied by the imaginary unit , which is defined by its property .[2] An imaginary number can be added to a real number to form a complex number of the form , where and are called, respectively, the real part and the imaginary part of the complex number. Imaginary numbers can therefore be thought of as complex numbers whose real part is zero. The name "imaginary number" was coined in the 17th century as a derogatory term, as such numbers were regarded by some as fictitious or useless, but today they have a variety of essential, concrete applications in science and engineering. zorro

No one knows for sure. The Big Bang and Higgs takes us to an origin. Taking one step back , we address "Nothing". If those can then be broken down, then we continue back to nearly nothing and must stop because we cannot produce "Nothing". Matter cannot be produced or destroyed. We still are stuck with "Everything from Nothing". Zorro No one knows for sure. The Big Bang and Higgs takes us to an origin. Taking one step back , we address "Nothing". If those can then be broken down, then we continue back to nearly nothing and must stop because we cannot produce "Nothing". Matter cannot be produced or destroyed. We still are stuck with "Everything from Nothing". Zorro

Beyond the Universes and all of their magnetic, gravitational ..... fields; is nothing...... No mass, no energy, no gravitational fields, no magnetic fieilds, no electrical fields, no curved, warped space, no light, no time. .... no hot dogs; NOTHING. Despite this, there is everything. How come?? zorro http://vimeo.com/23526796 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvWrI_oQjY