randomc

i meant how far it travels. it obviously changes, so it was a stupid question...never mind.

The linked example is for a hermetic environment, but i get the gist... what's the vertical axis on this graph about, then? change in signal modulation...something... why is it negative? the frequency decreasing with time?

hmmm, my hearing range seems to be significantly less than 32 khz... does range make much difference at high frequencies? using the most suitable material optimally engineered for the purpose, and located in your inner ear, what's the smallest possible?

Would an audibly vibrating piece of metal (i.e. a tuning fork) behave in the same way as it was reduced in size (extremely small)? presumably if you blast relatively lower frequency soundwaves at it, you could get it to vibrate harmonically, but how does scale change things?

How can i hack light bulbs so i can make the lights flicker? I want someone i have under surveillance to know how closely i'm watching them, e.g, when they're reading a book and they come to a sentence that could allude to some episode of their life, icould flicker the lights so they know i'm reading the book along with them. Or those elctric heaters that click as they change temperature, how do ihack the electricity supply to one of those? i would i have to rig the room specially?

The interactive surveillance operation following you around while you're homeless is somehow able to produce a high-pitched ringing sound in your ears. You are convinced it isn't tinnitus, and you've conluded that the purpose of it is either some form of emotional or other direct manipulation, or indirect manipulation, i.e. just messing you up by getting you to think about it.

This morning, you played a song on the piano and then went to the park and looked at some swans, then googled whether swans could fly or not.

You sit down to watch TV, the same song you played eariler is being used in a trailer for a documetary about kakapo's (flightless parrots).

Do you conclude a) stuff is being inserted into the TV schedule, b) the broadcast is private and made and delivered just for you, c) that it's the regular schedule and you are being massively directly manipulated such that your actions fit some narrative?

What sort of logical problem is this? What other possibilties might there be than the three i've given? You've already elliminated the possibility that you're nuts and it's coincidence.

You should understand that a mod is addressing an issue and not the person; it's not personal.

hard not to take it that way...

So open your own forum where you can make the rules and do whatever you like.

he he like you had to do .org

i don't like that a mod can pull rank in a thread and then answer same person immediately in another thread. My problem, but still....

Supply and demand dictates they are already here. The rich, seekers of prolonged life - why not if your rich enough - will have been sold the potential of organs that their immune systems will routinely accept decades ago.

The earliest of the clones could be in their 30's, right?

You're right.

Back in the 70s, when discrete logic was used ( 74Sxxxx series ), any complex digital circuit would have been very heavy ( and large ). But with the advent of the microprocessor and other large scale integration, more integration meant more performance/weight and performance/price, in accordance with Moore's law.

It was only in the middle to late 90s that ICs started running into heat and/or switching speed issues ( one drives the other ).

Is there any part of your post except the identifiction of 74sxxx series (i don't pretend to know what that is) that isn't redundant?

I hate to be a snip, but i feel like i spend a lot of time seperating the wheat from the chaff, as it were...

Your not making this easier

I think your talking about your admirable culture rather than your institutions. The culture is quickly becoming common to all of us. Whether the institutions change to represent us as we want to be represented is another story. The privelleged are unbelievably strong in your country. If you want to fight them, well maybe your an honorarary european, or maybe we're all honarary atlanteans!

I might be over selling this but...

DOWN WITH THE CARGO CULT POLITICO-FINANCIERS!

Ahem.

Socialist hymns aside, what does an institution that protects and represnts need to be? Probably 'election machine' is the bread and butter in a democracy...

To all, don't let imatfaal's lawyerism lower the tone... put your point to the OP as i made it. like ten oz -

I think the United States is trending towards coalitions similary and in line with the EU. The concept of American exceptionalism as both an entitlement to and justification for all things is dying. As a child in grade school I was taught that the United States was the only free place on earth. I believed that Central and South American countries were dangerous places akin to the post apocyliptic sets of Mad Max movies. That the Middle East was one giant Bond movie style evil lair where dictators obsessed over destorying America. Asia was some far away place stuck in the 1800's. Europe I visioned as a neutral zone. A place were Americans could stage equipment or rest while dealing with all the mess called the rest of the world. And of course the USSR was a prison camp masquerading as a country.

Times have changed though. Kids today understand that the United States is part of a larger world and not the only just place in it. We see China and India as industrial competitors and and economic allies rather than 3rd world places to pity. Young Americans today best know Russia their youth's outrageous contributions to YouTube than as an iron curtain. Trends are not best seen as comparisons but rather measurements of one thing over time.

Whimsically written purposeful.

There is no significant altrernative party that purports to represent the unpriveleged in the US. I'm assuming you have some sort of trade union representation.... hell, maybe your representation is so sophisticated no-one can even see it! Ha! (fuck off, your majesty)

i dunno, in some way i get the impression all is required of us is to speak when we'respoken to, although that's taken to vquite a sinister manifestation in my case.

Ah right. I'm talking kebab shops and grocery markets, so i'll just fuck off over here out of the way. Cos it's not like it's us who's getting pissed off innit? It's when your feckin jobs get threatened. knobh**ds.

But seriously though, that sounds like some sort of industrial tribunal type jobby. Keeps self-aggrandising delusional lawyers like imatfaal happy, but culturally null. Because are YOU going to hack someones face off with an eighteen inch kebab knife? probably not, but when it comes down to it you acountanty types can be mean mutha fuckas (and who does the damage? not us)

 

 

Not necessarily - your suggestion would lead to decision making that is highly teleological; you could read about Utilitarianism which is the best known example. On the other hand there decision making based on rules of behaviour and moral imperatives; again you could look for Kantian deontology. Or you make choices based on what you want to be and how you believe can develop yourself best - this isAristotean Virtue Ethics. Those are massive simplifications of course - but you get the idea that outcomes are not all that matters.

ok the assumption the we have to assume something... you have to get off the bus somewhere. context gets limited

 

 

I would claim that Nihilism normally results from the deliberate rejection of any meaning or purpose to life, from a refusal to believe in any moral or ethics foundation, or from a failure to grant validity to some other widely held concept. It is a mistake to conflate what is useful in maths to what is good elsewhere; I think mathematical axiomata are accepted as long as they are not contradictory and they are used if they are interesting.

Right enough. I have a hard time believing any moral or ethics foundations dosen't stand or fall by it's consequences. So not that dissimilar.

i'm buggered if i'm going to commit to defending any philosophy under these circumstances. And i have to complain that you haven't addressed my OP. And stop lawyering at me.

I don't feel particularly confident expanding on this, yet...

What matters is outcomes, right? I mean philosophy degenerates into nihilsm in the absence of self-evidence, and that makes believers out of all of us; even mathematical axioms are defended on the basis of their good consequences. The scientific utopia of the Communists failed because we lacked knowledge, because we assumed that what we knew was enough to build a political sytem,,,

would it help to bring people in if i said sex reassignment is probably bordering on psychologiacla torture for political ends

 

randomc, I found the following on Wikipedia with regards to passive aggressiveness that I can directly relate to non technical bosses managing technical professionals, especially in female dominated work environments. The strange thing is that I have also worked in both male and female dominated work groups, in similar technical capacities, and have never had any issues like this in male dominated groups, mainly because that type of behavior would be regarded as bullying, including in the ones I've worked in with female bosses.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior

 

I can understand why you don't want to go into details so I'll supply you with a few examples from my own past experience, that you might be able to relate to.

 

When I started in a projects team in a female dominated (90%) section of 50 people in a 3K+ employee organisation I had a female technical boss who had a good understanding of the technical issues at hand and we worked well together and had a good rapport due to mutual respect. That changed after a couple of months when a non technical female was rotated into my bosses position and my technical minded female boss was rotated elsewhere.

 

Initially I would just give my new boss the same executive summary type information that I gave my previous boss and reserved the technical detail for the technical people I worked with. Unfortunately she questioned everything so each small paragraph or sentence became a detailed novella with many chapters, and very quickly she was in over her head, multiple times. If she had only trusted that the information I communicated to her in good faith was correct she would not have had the breakdown.

 

After her breakdown she changed and showed assertive passive aggression that matched the bolded points from the Wki above.

 

Shortly after at my first one on one meeting alone with her she said that she and the team did not want to receive any emails or speak to me with regards to the work I was doing in the team, even my designated backup. I just continued working with everybody else in the team in the same way I always did because they were technical people who didn't have a problem, but whenever I came near her she would put up the barriers and smother any attempt at communication.

 

At my second (six months later) one on one meeting alone with her she told me that my contract would not be extended when it finished in 4 months time. I didn't think that what my boss told me was false (my contract was extended another 2 times for 1.25 years, 4 months later) so I never realised that she was bullying me until much later on. I honestly believed what she told me to the extent that 3 months later, I responded via email to the CEO's secretary with regards to a CEO request for an update on my project, with a final paragraph that I had been informed by my boss that my contract would not be renewed.

 

I didn't realise that I was being bullied for about a year because I was so busy working. Over that year I attended 2 team meetings where my boss organised for another female employee to assist me and both times, 10 months apart, the other employee was allowed to take 4 weeks of annual leave when the time came along. I was exhausted due to not being able to take any holidays but glad because everything was rolling out smoothly without any help. This was just when she revealed her hidden hand.

 

Bullying behavior by males or females only has one end randomc, it should not be allowed to survive in any responsible organisation.

 

If you have problems that are anything remotely like the above, check if your organisation has some sort of Public Interest Disclosure (PID) system in place where bullying etc can be reported by employees and investigated internally without disclosure. In some countries, state or federal legislation can require organisations of certain sizes to have these types of systems in place. An organisation usually needs some sort of a PID if it has systems whose access is incumbent on employees signing confidentiality undertakings, with dob clauses, (due to state/federal Info Privacy and/or Info Sec legislation) if they become aware of unauthorised disclosures or modifications of system information by other employees or third parties.

 

Please note that all of my comments above are related to non technical females 45+ working in technical roles. I regularly work with female inspectors/engineers doing QA on major infrastructure projects and have never been bullied in any way shape or form. I give her the QA test results and she decides whether the job continues or not based on those results so she may as well be the boss.

 

One way that bullying can be detected is through unusual rosters singling out individual employees. From personal experience, and unfortunately after the event, I can say to watch out if 1/ you are given a 2 week roster with 2 days off at either end and work 10 days straight, then have 2 consecutive 2/ 2 week rosters without more than a single day off in a row where you finish late before your day off and start early straight after your day off. This gets really interesting if you rotate between 5 different shift start times: 2am, 5am, 7am, 11am and 2pm and roll out the final 5 consecutive days 3/ by starting the first shift at 2pm, the next at 11am, the next at 7am, the next at 5am and the final shift at 2am. I was positively jet lagged by the end so I didn't notice the roster pattern described above.

 

The disturbing thing was that the boss who designed these rosters was a white haired 60 year old grandmother, in a female dominant industry, who knew exactly what she was doing.

Have you ever been around a women of advanced years who feels she's lost status, and takes it out on you just for having seen? There are at least four genders if you ask me.

To your experience, as i've been told off for, the issue is the extent to which it generalises i suppose. Gender is based on how hormones influence brain development right?

 

 

Besides, everyone works for someone they don't like at some point in their life.

I didn't say i didn't like her. Hurkle

 

 

Evidence enters into it when you make claims such as, 'men don't like competing with women.' If you make statements like that, you need to be able to back them up with evidence. If you can't, then your premise and the ideas that you draw from it have no basis.

mmmfff... for what it's worth, the contemporary emphasis on developing a strong "cult" of femininity is better than the old-school attacks on the "cult" of masculinity. Segueing back toward reality. Definitely better for the workplace, i would've thought.

I understand where randomc is coming from, but part of being in the workplace is getting along to the extent that the job can be done. This is irrespective of your personal views and ideologies. You may even by law be required to leave such things 'at the door'.

 

Whoever pisses you off, pisses you off and you have the right to not like everyone for any reason you see fit. You just need to let it wash over you as best you can and do your job. If the situation becomes intolerable then you should seek advice from seniors at the workplace. Beware, saying 'cos she is a girl' is unlikely to get you very far (there maybe very specific roles where this could matter, but not generally).

 

So on that, what is your job?

right, right, i suppose professionalism sort of transcends this sort of stuff. I'm not a professional and i take your point.

But i haven't provided a damn shred of evidence and i've already moved you from "sexist preconceptions" to "undercurrents of sexism". How does evidence enter into this discussion, exactly? I mean, it'd be great if ti did, but a cursory glance shows that anything less than a comprehensive comparison of all the fields which can be taken seriously on this point is going to fall short. So what's inferior in this context about asserting that men don't like competing with women as common sense?

Look, delicate social dynamics such as this are capable of affecting the productivity of entire nations. I'm not capable of parsing the literature of mulitple fields that might anwer your question, but i resent the closing down of it in such a back hand way. Shame on you

so a reprieve from biological evidence.... thats a good thing

Biological evidence that men don't want to compete with women?

I mean i'll go and look... what will you accept? it's obviously going to need to be hugely aggregative, so the social sciences are a waste of time...any suggestions?

we're getting toward see previous comment territory now... but male competitiveness doesnt want to compete with women. It's not my attitude, it's my biology (approximatley, but still definitively, in my case)

But that's quite an extreme form of feminism, isn't it? Like, you can't be arsed to deal with masculinity and so just stomp on it during education (implied by your use of "preconception" here).

well i know that. the question is how does male competitiveness fit into that? to the extent that you'll allow it to exist (i'd like you to, because it makes life fun for me)

I think it was just her style... she was what... passive aggressive becomes when you give it authority? I've come across guys like that (phi, for eg) who have been my boss but they don't piss me off to the same extent.

inows see previous comment is where this has to end....

There's conversation to be had here. You are a very sexy and adaquate modern man, and this is good. But being a sexy and adaquate modern man is hard to be, and given that workplaces are very socially complicated now, less adaquate men deserve a hearing, surely.

ok, i enjoy competition in general, but competing with women isn't the same.

So i have to adjust to enjoying this. I can't be arsed trying to enjoy this. I mean, you enjoy something or you don't.

come on, inow, this is a problem for a lot of men, competition with a women feels wrong, right?

This isn't a trivial thing.