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insane_alien gf) Questions have been answered over and over - and over - perhaps reading some of them is in order In the mean time The account of Sothis (a.k.a., Sirius), Orion, heliacal rising, heliacal setting - and the laying down of a celestial grid as told in the Pyramid Texts is an absolutely fascinating study Hopefully JohnB is familiar with it so we can discuss the methodology the Ancients used in the telling P.S. Perhaps we can bring our intellect into play and recognize that if one factor that slows the earth and causes an exchange with the moon shows that any factor that slows the earth will cause an exchange with the moon. After all isn't that the philosophy we put into affect when we solve problems at the end of the chapter using the principles and mathematical solutions? gf

The account of Sothis (a.k.a., Sirius), Orion, heliacal rising, heliacal setting - and the laying down of a celestial grid as told in the Pyramid Texts is an absolutely fascinating study Hopefully JohnB is familiar with it so we can discuss the methodology the Ancients used in the telling I can't say that this solar boat is the metaphoric style - but one such was used gf /

I still know some engineers at NASA and on occasion I'll call, or they'll call me and we'll discuss items of mutual interest. The last time we spoke I asked this question His answer was

When I first became interested in angular momentum in the Earth–Moon system I studied both modern and ancient literature. The first time we encounter mention of angular momentum in the Earth–Moon system (from what I could find) dates to 350 B.C., it reads this way paraphrasing gf) /

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/10jan_earthquake/ Now multiply one million earthquakes per year times (all earthquakes have some effect on Earth's rotation) and we are nearing the justification point for spending millions (perhaps billions) on the Lunar Laser Ranging program Tides are but one cause for the change of rotation earthquake is another - perhaps some day other causes will be observed - in which case we'll add them to our data base of knowledge The conservation of angular momentum in Earth–Moon system results in the transfer of angular momentum from Earth to Moon (due by example, my emphases) to tidal torque the Moon exerts on the Earth). This in turn results in the slowing down of the rotation rate of Earth (at about 42 nsec/day), and in gradual increase of the radius of Moon's orbit (at ~4.5 cm/year rate).

NASA scientists studying the Indonesian earthquake of Dec. 26, 2004, have calculated that it slightly changed our planet's shape, shaved almost 3 microseconds from the length of the day, and shifted the North Pole by centimeters. http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/10jan_earthquake/ gf) Now multiply one million earthquakes per year times (all earthquakes have some effect on Earth's rotation) and we are nearing the justification point for spending millions (perhaps billions) on the Lunar Laser Ranging program

Ophiolite - perhaps on your say so NASA should give up on the lunar laser ranging program and Wikipedia should take down their Angular momentum page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum I have plotted it personably - and I have given you the source of the data - eq)

On graduation with an engineering degree I hired in as a design engineer on the Apollo moon project by a subcontractor who suppled parts on the first stage launch engines and the various modules I became fascinated with the overall project and the scientific experiments that were planned. Of primary interest was the plan to place laser reflecting stations on the moon I was not part of those projects but in the mid 1990's I decided to establish the relationship between earth's rotation and the moon's orbit - so I could better understand the program. I started out by reading everything on the subject - including any by NASA. Their bulletins are available in the library system Then I obtained the primary "length-of-day" data from R. S. Gross, that was available in a series titled Next I went to the Then I plotted "length-of-day" vs earthquake and found that all earthquakes change the "length-of-day." It would have been more apparent on the NASA graph but they had to reproduce it on 7 x 10 and the resolution was lost - it takes a data base to store and retrieve. Graphs are fine but they lack resolution gf /

Klaynos gf) What is so hard to understand about Earthquake slows earth's rate of rotation - The conservation of angular momentum in EarthMoon system results in the transfer of angular momentum from Earth to Moon Take milliseconds and multiply by the million earthquakes per year and you have a second - then extrapolate (while acknowledging that one or two 8.8 - 9.0 earthquakes cannot relate to a continuous increase of the radius of Moon's orbit (at ~4.5 cm/year rate). And you have to accept that it is more than just two 8.8 - 9.0 earthquakes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

Klaynos You still have not answered the question of what do you mean about earthquakes et al... gf) Paraphrasing from citation below Here is proof from NASA that earthquake changes earth's rate of rotation from my post number 32 Please study it carefully - NASA presented the material to dozens of Universities and the National Science Foundation - they are not prone to error under those circumstances / / /

Klaynos Ophiolite gf) let me repeat myself (paraphrasing from post # 90 cults .. base their interests on limited interpretations, removal of key elements, and focused on specific deities ... These efforts were geared to focus on the Cult's objectives

Ophiolite When portions of Text are removed (or never present from the start) it becomes impossible to follow extended story lines. By example in post 62 I mentioned there are 14 riddles in the Pyramid Texts (meaning Faulkner's as I do not quote others) all starting with the phrase Recite four times - this text has been changed (or never included) in JohnB's (Pyramid Texts) so the riddles are not recognizable That a person can follow these riddles and solved them in Faulkner's translation - stands in proof that his translation is accurate and complete JohnB's response to my mention of the riddles was Can you elaborate on these "missing" riddles? Where are they missing from? gf) You'll note that I answered Where are they missing from? in my original statement Riddles and Puzzles have characteristic preludes - so when I saw Recite four times repeated 14 times I suspected they were a prelude. That proved correct - but it took almost a year to solve them because they take you on a merry chase though the Pyramid Texts BTW many ancient cultures loved riddles so it is not surprising to find them in the Pyramid Texts

Ophiolite gf) The Egyptian civilization that flourished for thousands of years was based on the content of the Pyramid Texts. Than cults (that based their interests on limited interpretations, removal of key elements, and focused on specific deities began to develop. These removal efforts were geared to focus on the Cults objectives A good example can be made by comparing the Mercer Pyramid Texts to those of Dr. R. O. Faulkner - The late Dr R. O. Faulkner was the leading modern British authority on the progressive stages of funerary texts developed in antiquity His 1969 translation of Utterance 572 follows. Notice the continuity and faithfulness to word and intent Following in contrast is Mercer's 1952 Pyramid Texts that JohnB has said to be the better interpretation - But it is so obtuse that little sense can be made of it (this renders it near impossible to comprehend. It has a parallel in the reluctance to change the Constitution of the United States. The test will be in JohnB's ability to focus in on heliacal rising and setting (and the laying down of a celestial grid) as the very essence of ancient Egyptian Cosmology. And to answer whether he agrees or denies that Sothis is associated with Orion and heliacal rising and setting - and is not the morning star - Occult leanings remove the ability to focus on details gf /

Klaynos gf) I've answered every question - multiple times Let's see if JohnB agrees or denies that Sothis is associated with Orion and heliacal rising and setting - and is not the morning star After all it was in the proper identification of the morning star per the Pyramid Texts that tested the validity of Internet sources JohnB was not able to do that - hence we must conclude that the Internet source is not valid Here is another chance - heliacal rising and setting (and the laying down of a celestial grid) is the very essence of ancient Egyptian Cosmology Let's hope quotes are not from the Book of the Dead gf /

gf) We'd hope JohnB was not suggesting thereby that Sothis (a.k.a. Sirius) is the morning star Sothis is associated with Orion and heliacal rising and setting - and is not the morning star The Pyramid Texts are very clear on Orion, Sothis and heliacal rising and setting - Let's see if JohnB agrees or denies that Sothis is associated with Orion and heliacal rising and setting - and is not the morning star Let's hope too that any quotes are not from the Book of the Dead gf

Another point JohnB places Sothis (a.k.a. Sirius) in close association with the phrase morning star JohnB gf) We'd hope JohnB was not suggesting thereby that Sothis (a.k.a. Sirius) is the morning star Sothis is associated with Orion and heliacal rising and setting - and is not the morning star I hope also we can agree that the point of difference between Internet and Published material is in peer exposure The Pyramid Texts are very clear on Orion, Sothis and heliacal rising and setting - gf

gf) JohnB is quoting Internet material - it does not correspond to published work And his statement about the accuracy of Sethe's work is in stark contrast to published material -

gf) Okay - Where in a published version of the Pyramid Texts are we to read about "N!" N is in the Book of the Dead (over 170 times) - but not in the Pyramid Texts NOTE what JohnB says gf) Hardly the standard work in this area. Because of his accuracy that JohnB claims It's easy to make claims - but unless you're working from a published version - little can be verified gf /

Klaynos gf) Not true - His earlier posts were clearly not quoted from the Pyramid Texts - so the challenge was to provide proof by having him give us the Pyramid Texts version of the mother of Horus and what the Morning star was He was able to do neither - when we check his Internet source - which I would hope you did too we find it neither by word or intent in any way equivalent to the Pyramid Texts http://www.sacred-te...y/pyt/index.htm As to your other question The Book of the Dead is a recent compilation I'll quote from the Book of the Dead So they are no more related than if you quoted from the Bible gf

Klaynos gf) Not true - Notice you are looking at a wall the text thereon you cannot read Notice too JohnB did not give you the source of his Horus's mother statement - Let me quote it for you It came from The Book of the Dead Not the Pyramid Text as stated - I'll address your other questions in a bit - You asked about Occult - than please let's resolve it Go to the link JohnB gave us and read about "N" N does not apperar in the Pyramid Texts - Read again the quote I gave you on this page SPELL 29 A I am Horus...my father Geb and of my mother Nut are from The Book of the Dead -- Not the Pyramid Text as stated - gf /

Ophiolite gf) On the matter of the Occult I would ask this forum to read JohnB's response very very carefully and note his reference to a multiplicity of legends (see his quote following my response) - What we refer to as The Pyramid Texts are those 4000 lines of hieroglyphic inscriptions that are written on stone - the form of which was deciphered by means of the Rosetta stone by Jean Francois Champollion c1821 - 22. They were published in English by the late Dr. R. O. Faulkner under the title, The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts (They are not legends) What JohnB is quoting is not the Pyramid Texts - it is Occult. JohnB provided this link in a previous response - Please go there and open one of the Chapters and note the frequent reference to "N." http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/index.htm You will not find "N," in the Pyramid Texts - but it is used 173 times in the Book of the Dead. So what is the Book of Dead? It is a compilation of spells, prayers, vignettes, and incantations written on various papyri and collected from other sources. The authors are those who tended to the burial processes. The Book of the Dead and its reference to "N" has no relationship to the Pyramid Texts Please note JohnB's reference to legend and a multiplicity of sources gf /

JohnB gf) (not nice JohnB) The question was not what your favorite was - nor how many variations you could come up with - The question related to your ability to identify Horus's mother from the Pyramid Texts Obviously you weren't able to do that - and photos in retrospect is kind of revealing As to JohnB says gf) It was not my translation as you well know - I quote directly from Dr. R. O Faulkner's the Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts (a published book) - You quote MYTH and Occult from a 1952 Internet version that may or may not have been reviewed Faulkner was staff at the British Museum - the book was published by Oxford University Press Who published, and who reviewed Your Occult version? And why were the 14 riddles all starting with the phrase Recite four times removed from your Internet version? gf

Hi mooeypoo, actually they are riddles whose answers fall in the category of science, the first is easy the second and those to come will redefine the Universe No speculation here - they are what they appear to be gf /

I have gone up upon the ladder with my foot on Orion and my arm uplifted I summon a thousand, and the sun-folk come to me bowing

Cap'n gf Because it is Occult - By example there are 14 riddles in the Pyramid Texts all starting with the phrase Recite four times - this text has been changed in JohnB's (Pyramid Texts) and the riddles have been removed JohnB says gf) I don't know how many mothers you can have - but not three for certain sure -but JohnB says Nut Isis/Hathor The answer is Hathor By linking ( Isis/Hathor ) in that conjoined manner JohnB is demonstrating the influence of the Occult. The Pyramid Texts actually mark therein a transition from the gods (little g) to mankind. Isis fell out of favor and Hathor who represented motherhood stood in her stance The Pyramid Texts version JohnB uses is one where all the science, the riddles, and the nuances have been removed and funerary placed in its stead gf /