# Apeofman

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1. ## Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I know what you mean, but i reckon you could start off the game with a limited rule set, and update it as circumstance or reason requires. I am not suggesting the imposition of the winning games result on the governments of nations. If sufficient people played such a game' date=' it would at least provide an insight as to what trade offs would be politically acceptable to their people. It seems to me that if you are warring, all your mental effort goes into defeating your enemies, without any consideration of their desires whatsoever. A winning game played by people of opposing views, requires mutual consideration and compromise. A chance to think about being a good neighbour, perhaps. When each side is determined to give way a little more than the other. Me too.
2. ## Does anyone think this is a good idea?

Year after year the war continues between Israel and it's neighbours. No reasonable solution to resolve the conflicting issues between Israel and it's neighbours exists. It has occured to me, that a solution might be arrived at, if the conflicting requirements of each side could be incorperated into a board game. The game could be played on the web by Palestinians, Israelis, and others. The game would consist of many boards, each board having at least two opposing players. The players of each board would negotiate/barter real issues, and respond to events. The game winners would be the players of the board that arrives at sustainable peace in a short time, and is polled best solution by players and onlookers. Does anyone think this is a good idea? Maybe there is an existing game that can be adapted? Apeofman say's..May the desert bloom by a living sea when all minds turn to peaceful pursuit..
3. ## Relative speeds...

I understand that, but i don't yet see how Jakari's propositions give rise to a result greater than c, if he is taking that into account. Maybe things will be clearer after some sleep. Interesting topic.
4. ## Relative speeds...

In which case velocities a and b are relative to an unmentioned stationary refererence frame containing an observer who i will call O. i.e Vab= (Vao+Vbo)/(1+(VaoVbo/c^2)) gives the right answer to "0.5c + 0.5c = 0.8c" JaKiri however chose to .. ..What vertical component:confused: Relative to what:confused: Where: was this mentioned in your previous post. When the quantities are properly specified the equation Jakari cited..(a+b)/(1+(ab/c^2)) does not produce a sum greater than c. So why now state " and therefore will have a total relative velocity of greater than c.":confused: It is my understanding that, in the context of relativity, relative velocity, is measured in the observers frame of reference along the direction of the observed objects motion. This relative measured velocity can be used in the Lorentz transforms and it's derivatives such as the relativistic velocity addition equation cited. For example.. With permission from magen.co.uk Note. This is an old picture. The word "see":eek: is incorrect. Should be, measures/observe's (along the axis of motion!). Look's like i need to update:embarass: Time for sleep. Maybe reality will different then:D

6. ## here's a thought

Hi Rocket Man, I hope this helps. Doppler shift is due to a change in the wavelength of light that occurs when an object is moving toward or away from an observer. It might help to consider an electromagnetic wave as being(emitted)extruded from an object onto a conveyer belt of constant velocity c, to be later retrieved by an observer. The length of the observed extrusion is dependant on the relative velocities of the emitting object during the time of emission and the observer during the time of observation. If emitting object, and observer are relatively stationary, then the observed extruded wave length will be the same for both emitting object and observer. If the emitting object was moving away from the observer, the wave extruded onto the conveyer would be longer, however the extruded wave would still travel at the same velocity c, to the observer. If the emitting object was moving towards the observer, the wave extruded onto the conveyer would be shorter, however the extruded wave would still travel at the same velocity c, to the observer. Also, i believe that the doppler effect, is not a relativistic effect. In addition to the doppler effect, the wave length is also subject to time dilation, which is a relativistic effect.

10. ## The tax code

Hi sunspot, and USA taxpayers, I don't know much about your tax system over there. However, i recently heard an American on the BBC, promoting a variation of "negative tax" for the USA. Below is a proposal, that was put to the UK government, at the beginning of their first term. The figures are somewhat out of date. I would be interested in your opinions on this approach, to remove the poverty trap, and to promote wealth and job creation. I am a citizen who has been, unemployed, employed, self employed, a worker, and an employer. I wish you to know and consider my opinions on the matter of welfare reform. Citizens within a democratic society submit themselves to society's laws and regulations, for the benefit of the majority. Observance of society's laws and regulations, restricts the citizens options to manage their own welfare. Some citizens may find themselves excluded from lawfully providing for themselves, on account of their age, health, or other circumstances. An ideal state takes responsibility for the welfare of all it's citizens. Those who are excluded from providing for their own welfare, are in some way provided for, out of the national bounty. The state simply takes on the responsibility of it's citizens, in return for their observance of society's laws and regulations. Within the British Isles, the state provides for it's citizens welfare, by means of a patchwork of benefits. However, the system was developed to fulfil the needs of a society with different work and life expectations, than to days society. It does not satisfy the needs of a society faced with today's occupational circumstances. An alternative is now required. The proposed integrated tax benefit system, call it Xat, requires that the majority of welfare benefits be integrated into the tax system, by way of tax code credits. Under Xat, the state pays each citizen a basic living amount, determined by their individual tax code, and the states ability to pay. All other income that a citizen receives, is taxable. Under Xat, each citizen would have a basic wage which is unaffected by additional income, consequently citizens would always improve their income by working. This fact would help to offset the negative effects of a strong pound; thereby creating additional employment opportunities and encouraging new industry. As all citizens would be in receipt of a tangible stake in the national bounty, without systemic impediment to occupation, factors causing the poverty trap would be removed, allowing acceptance of modern occupational choices and opportunities. The concept of an integrated tax system can be implemented in a variety of ways. The following, is an hypothetic, illustration as to how an integrated tax system could effect the disposable income of a range of citizen's. In this illustration, a typical citizen's total disposable income, will comprise of tax credits plus other income, less income tax. Naturally all that Caesar gives, must be returned to him; in due course. Let's say that all of the tax credit monies paid out, are to be recovered purely by means of a 50% income tax rate, upon the first £16,000 of each citizen's yearly earned income. Let us also say that the tax rates upon earnings above £16,000 per year remain as they are now. Under these circumstances, citizens earning £16,000 per year and above would find no change in their total disposable income. Citizens earning less than £16,000 per year would, without taking into account any loss of earnings related benefits, generally gain. Unoccupied citizens would find their total disposable income unchanged. If deemed politically desirable, part of a citizens allowance could be provided for, by way of non negotiable vouchers, covering imposed bills such as, Council rates, water, energy and communication costs. This should reduce the burden currently placed upon the courts to recover such monies. It would be possible within an integrated system to introduce new classes of tax allowance. For example, an occupational allowance could be introduced to cover such items as travel, meals, and clothing, for those citizens that undertake any occupation or venture, paid or unpaid. The benefit to the state of the integrated tax system, is that it will enable citizens to engage in occupations which are currently inappropriate to their circumstances. An integrated tax system, would benefit the health, wealth and lawfulness of society as a whole. The benefit to the citizen, would be, less stress, greater wealth and security, plus greater scope for personal welfare control. The benefit to business, is that low paid jobs, and part time working, would become more affordable. Farming, fishing, manufacturing, the list of what we cannot afford to do, gets longer by the day. Would this approach work in the US. What do you think:confused:

13. ## What must happen if Iran continue its Nuclear Programm?

A bit. My favourite program at the time. :D A really good and pretty accurate insight as to how British government ministers work, is a TV comedy series called 'Yes Minister'. Our Tony converted most of the working classes into to the middle classes in his first term. Why not all,.. Because then there would be no one to look down to. In fact our social security system is well suited to keep those at the bottom, down. Look it this way, somebody has to be at the bottom of the pile. If every body got a taste of how it feels the government would be pressured to do something about it. Which they don't want to. So it's better to keep the same people at the bottom all of the time. It also gives the workers somebody to look down to. I agree:-)... Thank you for your other comments, i assure you i feel the same way. I may not show it; but love you all, despite your flaws and despot leaders.(from Apeofman the web-book:eek: )

15. ## What must happen if Iran continue its Nuclear Programm?

I agree with your point, i see it all the time. All else i have to say on the matter was posted in my reply to John. Evil is a weasel word, only of subjective meaning, there is a thread on it somewhere in the forum. I presume that was a sardonic joke. :D You wanna try out being a white middle class Englishman for a while.
16. ## What must happen if Iran continue its Nuclear Programm?

Thank's John. Seem's i have a few posts to answer today. Not sure if i'm well enough to get them all done. Hope so. Pessimistic? Don't worry' date=' if i was just pessimistic, i wouldn't have made my original post. I agree entirely. Glad you said, "seemed to oversimplify", shows you think. In my daily life i'm quite pragmatic, and am by no means a saint. When i was young, for reasons of nature and nurture, it was my belief that i should treat others as they would treat me. I was not a nice person to come across. As time went by i started to reap the rewards of my viewpoint, money, friends, and status. Boy was I right. Well actually no. Eventually the other rewards of my philosophy started to pour in. Being aware of this i had to examine every aspect myself, and my relationships with other people. Something i still do. I had to sort out to what extent my woes were due to me and how much was due to the people i associated with those woes. As a result i changed my philosophy and attitude towards people. I can only say that as a survival strategy, it seem's to serve my own self-interest well. I hope you see the pertinence of the above, to the topic. They certainly do. That Hamas decided to cease fire, gave me some hope of progress. When Hamas won the Palestinian elections i was as surprised as anyone else. Of course it was denounced by Israel for obvious reasons. However, i did hope that they would recognise an opportunity to encourage their enemy towards dialogue rather than violence. Unfortunately, they think it better to try and get rid of Hamas by making life of ordinary Palestinians even more miserable than it is already. Maybe that will work, but it can hardly be expected to bring a peaceful solution any nearer. It is easy to understand the feelings that dictate the Israeli position, and i maintain they are entitled to respond that way if they want. However, i am disappointed because it will not resolve the situation. The people of Israel together with the Palestinian people will continue to live in fear of one another, and that inevitably leads to paranoia and more killing. I don't think that is what the average Israeli or Palestinian wants. However my opinion of the involvement of other countries is different. I hope this reply clarifies a few things as to my perspective.
17. ## What must happen if Iran continue its Nuclear Programm?

Hi Jim, I guess my viewpoint begs such a question. Generally. That the Middle East and Persia are not America, and it's inhabitants are not American Indians, ready to be confined to reservation camps. That most people in the Middle East would prefer to get on with living a normal life without hinderance. That there will be no peace in the Middle East whilst the Israeli/Palestinian tragedy continues. Any solution there must maintain the dignity of both Israeli and Palestinian citizens. That putting the squeeze on people weaker than yourself, is an act of bullying/extortion that has nothing to do with freedom or democracy. I could go on, but it is really a waste of time, because the die is set and nobody is going to be reasonable under the prevailing circumstances. The best i can suggest off the cuff...From a premise based on what the US actually knows about Iran's actual nuclear capacity and abilities, rather than the hype of the current US President's administration... Glad you didn't ask how to resolve the US/Iran squabble. I tend to give more thought about how to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian tragedy. There is one way to make a start on that, but it requires good will. I don't know if my answer about 'premise' is of much use to you Jim. Maybe something else will occur to me later. Time to take my pain killers and get some sleep.

19. ## What must happen if Iran continue its Nuclear Programm?

Of course that would suit us, because we could continue to treat them as we do. However, Iraq got rid of their Sud missiles in front of UN inspectors just prior to America and it's cohorts invaded. I don't think Iran is going to make the same mistake. Or do you think they are stupid enough to comply with our demands that they remain defenseless in a world of Yahoo politics and bully war-mongers. I am fairly certain that we will invade Iran just as soon as our political leaders can, because they can.

21. ## here's a thought

Sorry my mistake, my thoughts were based on effects of The General Theory of Relativity. If i had been more attentive to redading the thread leading to worhole's question it would have been apparant that wormhole wanted an answer based on Special Relativity. In the Special Theory of Relativity, the velocity of the light itself is uninfluenced by the velocity or any other physical property of it's source. Any change of velocity between an observer and light source alters the wave length and hence frequency of the light with respect to that observer, not the observed/measured velocity.

25. ## Help to clarify special relativity confusion

Thank you for the reply Luke. I agree with you. I agree so far. However you say.. shouldn't that read,.. "B" can't observe/measure "A" to be moving away from "B" at a velocity greater than the velocity of light c. Otherwise yes. In fact i posted a link in this thread to a calculator that uses geometry (my avatar is the result of one such calculation) to solve the addition of relativistic velocities problem and others. The results are in accord with using the Lorentz transforms.
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