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  1. newbie

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    I agree but the majority rules, 37 say yes and 33 say no. Case closed time to move on.
  2. Well maybe you will have more luck, I am growing tired of all 4 of them. I am always the one who doesn't listen or the troll. Its sad but they are the ones that don't get it not me. Oh well time to let it go, after all I'm just the American what do I know right?
  3. I meant to quote budullewraagh' date=' but really it didn't matter. I never said what you are saying, you need to read it and understand it before you reply, I said [i']"Moore gives the distinct impression in the film that the Bin Ladens left the country before others were allowed."[/i] For budullewraagh to say what he did is complete nonsense and he needs to listen and learn. What I said is true no matter how many internet sources you use. The Saudi's did not leave the country until flights resumed, end of story. FYI budullewraagh and Phi for All, that does support my statement.
  4. No im sorry I have seen the film, I actually have it. The Saudi's did not leave the country until September 14th. That is when flights were resumed. There is nothing else to say. Even the 911 report confirms it. So not matter what you three say you are wrong, believe all you want from your internet sources.
  5. The concept you are not getting is that Moore presented that the Saudi's left on 9/11' date=' but when in reality they left with everyone else on the [u']14th[/u] and not before. Because you do not believe that doesn't change that to be fact. Since you have not actually seen the film and rely totally on 'your sources' then please do not keep this going
  6. You know what, your right I apologize. I stand corrected, I certainly cannot discredit the soldiers ot the Iraqi people, but they did not help Moore's opinion at all. The Soldiers did not say anything bad about Bush though.
  7. If you think I tried to insult you then you need to read more, you have not given anything to this discussion, only bogus beliefs. My source as you asked for is the movie it self, you make your agruments as if the film tells you all your 'facts'. My point is you are wrong, I told you I would not give you the fact because it is not mine to give, you only need to watch the film again. Pay careful attention to the dates shown on the flights, its just that simple.
  8. What!? I know you can't be serious. If you don't have anything to contribute please don't post.
  9. I don't believe any facts were presented in Farenheit 911, there is nothing to dispute. Michael Moore loves to edit. He loves to edit because he loves to manipulate facts. Moore edits for time, placing event B before event A in his movies to create the impression that B caused A (....).
  10. I understand people will take offense to this but I am sorry this is the way it is. Interracial marriage is not the same as homosexual marriage; it can only be relevant if the circumstances are the same, regardless of the objection. They are not. There is a no difference between a black or white human being skin color being trivial, but there is a big difference between a man and a woman. To your credit you have a point, since two homosexuals decide to spend the rest of their life together it would be nice for them to have some rights as married couples. I just want to point out that they do have rights; gay couples can already do everything married people do; express love, set up housekeeping, share home ownership, have sex, raise children, commingle property, receive inheritance, and spend the rest of their lives together. Homosexuals not being able to wed lack certain entitlements, but not freedoms. Bible does not say that at all. Clearly as you said yourself you are not religious. Since we established that why would we go this route when it doesn't prove your point? Never mind you don't have to respond to that.
  11. Homosexuals are not being denied rights, and I don't see how they are being denied the freedom to love who they want to. Homosexuals can marry and get all the privileges and benefits of state sanctioned matrimony, they just cannot marry someone of the same sex. Those are rights and restrictions that all citizens share equally. Might not be what some want but its legitimate nonetheless.
  12. I will give a short answer, I thought it was a funny movie.
  13. I read your posts, but you didn’t extend the same courtesy. I guess you don't want to continue so this ends the discussion. I feel confident in the outcome so you will hear nothing else from me on it. Well At least you say that as an opinion and not stating it as fact, you are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. I believe America does not glorify war, in all that I saw regarding the war they always reported what happened, when it happened and what was expected next. I also believe there is no exaggeration of the innocents lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, my point was that America was not the cause though.
  14. No I don’t understand what you are saying; you took nothing but a couple words of mine and replied to those, you didn’t reply to my post at all. The webpage you provided supports my position you need to read it again. I did state I highly doubted casualties in the thousands, first you need to put my statement in context, I was replying to someone other than you. If it was to you then I would be pretty upset that you are not reading. Pulkit was referring to the wars, not sanctions; but I played along with your game nonetheless. Let’s clear this up shall we? In your webpage you provided I read: “The sanctions, first imposed in 1990 after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, are administered by the U.N., not the U.S.” Seems to support my position, lets take another look. If we look right after the quote you put in your last post we have this: “Arriving at a reliable raw number of dead people is hard enough; assigning responsibility for the ongoing tragedy borders on the purely speculative. Competing factors include sanctions, drought, hospital policy, breast-feeding education, Saddam Hussein’s government, depressed oil prices, the Iraqi economy’s almost total dependence on oil exports and food imports, destruction from the Iran-Iraq and Persian Gulf wars, differences in conditions between the autonomous north and the Saddam-controlled south, and a dozen other variables difficult to measure without direct independent access to the country.” And lastly we have this one: “The idea that sanctions in Iraq have killed half a million children (or 1 million, or 1.5 million, depending on the hysteria of the source) took root in 1995 and 1996, on the basis of two transparently flawed studies, one inexplicable doubling of the studies’ statistics, and a non-denial on 60 Minutes.” You can’t use any of that to support your arguments; you claim that America did all those atrocities when that clearly is not the case.
  15. You take a couple words of my post and give a sentence back. Really' date=' try harder next time. I only needed to read the first ‘source’. Clearly it defends my position. Actually it was too pulkit' date=' but I don’t mind talking to you. Maybe you could try and tell me why?
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