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I am reading books of my favorite philosopher Seneca - On Anger, On Clemency, On the Shortness of Life. And these books really make you think and reconsider your worldview. Seneca was as scheming as he was brilliant. He brought up the most cruel emperor ever, Nero, and Nero ordered him to kill himself. Seneca followed that order...

Oh please, don't play with words. And please don't pretend that you don't know what people talk about. It doesn't matter that "In any event, the situation is vastly more comploicated than the one sided view you have presented." Survival of the fittest and natural selection are crutches of the theory of evolution. Likewise it doesn't matter that there is no definition of intelligence, artificial "intelligence" is out there. And let's ask scientists about the definition of man, in your case human/human being. "featherless biped"?? Robot is also featherless biped. So funny. And i think that machine really is an evolutionary stage of a human being. Who cares about biology? I think that "quantum biology" will cope with this. There are already so many theories about space and time and consciousness, and new theories on physics. And it doesn't matter that you don't agree with them, they are in people's heads. People are now left to their own in these questions and definitions. And there is no ground anymore, unfortunately.

Write this sentence in all those political topics about Trump.

You know, as for me I didn't read Nietzsche, but why do you think that these phrase "he who got it wrong" refers to Trump? Did he start any war? Is he giving orders to kill people at the moment? As far as I can see you live in the UK. Are you a citizen of the USA? People voted for Trump in their free choice and free will. It was a free choice of free people in the free country. And this is the most important thing. Would you forgive those people, who voted for Trump, if you were a citizen of the USA? And if they were your relatives? Or friends? Would you forgive yourself, if you voted for Trump? Maybe Darwin got it wrong? Einstein? No?

I'm thinking what you are disagree with. Who am I to judge others, I try observe myself, but...how would you know of how to love others, or about loving one's neighbor at all, if there weren't religion? I just think that ability to love is a gift. What does it mean to love others? What does it mean to love thyself?

This is my thought and i can be wrong. ""Be under obligation to no one — the only obligation you have is to love one another. Whoever does this has obeyed the Law. "Romans 13:8 If you don't mind, i want to change this sentence: Because if you love your neighbor, and act with love, you don't even consider them to be rules.

Yes. I am not a theologist, and I very cautiously think that this attitude distinguishes The Old Testament from The New Testament. Because if you love your neighbor, and act with love, you don't need rules. I always thought that one needed a lot of strength to turn one's cheek and at the same time not look like a victim. The thing is, if you turn your cheek because of love, you will never be a victim, or a hypocrite.

This is the thing. You consider these to be rules. Like here is some list, if you follow it - you go to heaven, if you don't - you go to hell.

No, no, no, people wish to transfer their responsibility to machines for all the troubles we have. So, machines must be responsible. I think the law for programs needs to be made up.

It is a company you work for. But there are protests against AI. It steals ideas, information.

Such words like "man" ,"mankind", "people" have disappeared from English, there are human beings and humans. And it seems to me, that the word human distinguishes people like species among other ones. So why can't we think of A"I" as of other species? The Kingdom of Computers? I think it is compatible with evolution. Because this term has a broad sense and it refers not only to biology. Who cares about biology? You? So what? These programs are everywhere already. As for me, it's time for them to have responsibility, isn't it?

swansont, so what? This is kitchen talk. You wrote: And you are free to disagree that intelligence can be artificial, etc. Nobody is stopping you. That's why i say that you don't have a right to complain. You have just closed that topic, and said that Sensei need help. No. His thinking is a product of "we are animals". Programmers think they have "created" kind of a soul. So why can't we think that these artificial robots and programs are a part of evolution? Evolutionary stage? Evolution is a change, not development, don't forget. 3D printers print organs. Folks wonder about artificial brain, and about artificial human beings. And it doesn't matter what is happening with these programs. If someone decides that artificial consciousness is here, we will get it. I only think, that artificial "intelligence" will help people to understand what it means to be man. Not an animal, not species, not human, not human being, but man. I hope it won't be too late.

Very nice

I mean control your heart bit, control by your will or intention. When you raise your arm, what makes you do this? Your thoughts, your will? What is that will? Is it a brain function? How do our muscles work? Seneca, Letter 11:On the blush of modesty "And I feel sure that his habit of blushing will stay with him after he has strengthened his character, stripped off all his faults, and become wise. For by no wisdom can natural weaknesses of the body be removed. That which is implanted and inborn can be toned down by training, but not overcome. The steadiest speaker, when before the public, often breaks into a perspiration, as if he had wearied or over-heated himself; some tremble in the knees when they rise to speak; I know of some whose teeth chatter, whose tongues falter, whose lips quiver. Training and experience can never shake off this habit; nature exerts her own power and through such a weakness makes her presence known even to the strongest. I know that the blush, too, is a habit of this sort, spreading suddenly over the faces of the most dignified men. It is, indeed more prevalent in youth, because of the warmer blood and the sensitive countenance; nevertheless, both seasoned men and aged men are affected by it. Some are most dangerous when they redden, as if they were letting all their sense of shame escape. Sulla, when the blood mantled his cheeks, was in his fiercest mood. ... As I remarked, Wisdom can never remove this habit; for if she could rub out all our faults, she would be mistress of the universe. Whatever is assigned to us by the terms of our birth and the blend in our constitutions, will stick with us, no matter how hard or how long the soul may have tried to master itself. ..." We don't control blush. Or maybe Seneca thought about different trifles? Anyway, I don't want to take someone's topic over.

I asked about digestion, blood circulation, heart bit. My point is that our body is not just material flesh.

Can you control processes in your body? digestion, blood circulation, heart bit?

The brain is situated in the body. You contradict yourself. AI is artificial intelligence. People say, that intelligence can be artificial. And everyone agrees.

Doesn't help. If there are multiple definitions, this doesn't mean that intelligence can be artificial. This is the substitution of concepts. What is worse, some people say "This dumb AI", or "AI is dangerous". Just think of it: intelligence is dangerous, or dumb intelligence... Which more worse, scientists keep silence, nodding, yes, artificial intelligence.. I just think we're slowly approaching the abyss.

But let's look at the name of this topic: Christianity Compatible with Science of the Age of the Earth, Evolution etc. It looks like one must take the age of Earth and evolution for granted. Like some group of people decides for others what they are compatible with. How come?! I am talking about our body, how we move, why we have pain, healing processes, etc. Isn't our brain situated in our head, and our head is a part of our body? So, our brain IS our body. Why do people separate the brain from the body?

Everything depends on the approach. Yes, our body is supernatural. Because we don't control processes in our body.

There is no definition of intelligence, for example, but people decided that it can be artificial. There is no definition of consciousness, but people say that it's a brain function. And so on.

Yes, compatibility. So why should religion be compatible with science, but you have an excuse for science in the form of evidence? There is evidence of the existing of the soul - you, having your body, your thoughts, your ability to observe your thoughts, your ability to feel and to think about feelings! But modern science is not interested in this approach. And imposes its views on religion. But if scientists don't want to take this approach, it doesn't mean there is no evidence! Everything depends on the instruments. Just please don't say that religion is compatible with science or is close to it.

Why doesn't science accept the existence of soul? Do I make myself clear?

Yes, I've read an article on Wikipedia. I just don't understand why you want the Church to accept a scientific point of view. Why doesn't science accept religious position? I see that the Inquisition remains alive, but sides have changed.

I'm sorry, but what about origin of man and soul?