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  1. Okay. So... I don't get it :) At this point, the problem is really trivial and you should be able to get it with everything i've given you, or at least make some kind of stab at guessing the solution. I'm going to give you a final hint: take a point in (0,1). Say, for simplicity, a half. Then take ANY ball of radius [math]\epsilon[/math]. Is there a point which is in a ball of radius [math]\epsilon[/math] and centred at the origin, but not contained within (0,1)? It will probably help if you draw a picture :)

     

    Please be so kind as to read my posts again .

     

    I am not asking for a geometrical picture where intutively we can say that ,since we cannot fit a disc into a line ,then S is not open in [math]R^2[/math].

     

    WE want an analytical proof .

     

    For example, we can easily see that a continuous function in a certain interval ,with f(a)>0 and f(b)<0 for two valeus a,b the function will at least cross the x-axis .

     

    But to prove that analytically is quite a job

  2. Given that:

     

    1) A function [math] f: D_{f}\subset R\rightarrow R[/math] is uniformly continuous iff for any pair of sequences {[math]x_{n}[/math]} {[math]y_{n}[/math]} in [math] D_{f}[/math] ( = domain of f),

     

    [math]lim_{n\to\infty}|x_{n}-y_{n}| = 0[/math][math]\Longrightarrow lim_{n\to\infty}|f(x_{n})-f(y_{n})| = 0[/math],

     

    Determine if the function f(x) = [math]x^2[/math] is uniformly continuous or not.

  3. Why'd you bother defining f if you don't use it?

     

    But seriously, this problem is fairly straightforward. You should attempt a proof first, and then we'll be able to help some more.

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    Well what would suggest the "δ" to be chosen ??

  4. My professor wants me to PROVE the statement:

     

    "If b divides c, then (a,b) <= (a,c)."

     

    by completing a proof. I can't just give a set of numbers that show it's true, i actually need to have a "proof" with variables that would make the statement work.

     

    Does this make sense?

     

     

    Well, did i not write a proof in my post #2 ,apart from the numerical example???.

     

    Unless you cannot even recognise what a proof is.

     

    I like the expression "proof with variables"

  5. "

     

    And the statement is:

     

    "If b divides c, then (a,b) <= (a,c)."

     

    So in english, if "c divided by b", then the GCD of "a" and "b" is less than or equal to the GCD of "a" and "c".

     

     

     

     

     

    !

     

    ..

     

     

     

     

    Here's an example of a proof in the fashion he wants us to write them:

     

    "if c divides a and c divides b, then [a,b] <= ab"

     

    Assuming this is true, the proof would look like:

     

    We need to show that ab/c is a multiple of "a" and "b".

     

    [/b]

     

    What does your professor ???,actually want you to prove ,if he wants you to prove anything at all

     

     

    Firstly he asks for a proof by using the concept of the GCD.

     

    Then he asks for a proof by using the concept of the LCM.

     

    To curry on with my example of the air plane:

     

    Not only he wants to fly from L.A to New York thru S.Africa ,but now he wants the pilot to get petrol supply in the air.

     

    Next ,i suppose, he will ask the pilot to fly the air plane upside down .

     

    Do you think he will ever get into an air plane???

  6. Hey everyone,

     

    I'm taking this course called "Number Theory" and am having a lot of difficulty with it. We're currently on "proofs" and i am having some issues.

     

    Last week was my first weeks classes. The first day my professor jumped right into the material without giving much background. He's assigning problems left and right without giving any class examples, and the textbook seems like more of a novel than a math book.

     

    I'm stuck on one problem. I "think" it's asking for a proof, but the directions are very unclear.

     

    It asks:

     

    "Tell whether each statement is true and give counterexamples to those that are false. Assume a, b, and c are arbitrary nonzero integers."

     

    And the statement is:

     

    "If b divides c, then (a,b) <= (a,c)."

     

    So in english, if "c divided by b", then the GCD of "a" and "b" is less than or equal to the GCD of "a" and "c".

     

     

     

    The back of the book lists the answer as "TRUE" but doesn't give any reasoning or proof to go along with it.

     

    He gave us two proof examples in class using GCD and LCM etc, but i honestly don't understand them. Making up variables here and there, it doesn't look like any math i've seen before.

     

    Here are some random facts i picked up on:

     

    LCM = (a x b)/GCD

    LCM x GCD = a x b

    (a,b) stands for the GCD (greatest common divisor)

    [a,b] stands for the LCM (lowest common multiple)

     

    a divides b: b = a (k) with some int k

    b divides c: c = b (L) with some int L

    a divides c: c = a (k x L) with ints K and L

     

     

    Yeah, that's all i know...

     

    Can anyone help me out with this problem? I have honestly no idea where to begin. Thanks!

     

    Suppose (a,b)=x and (a,c) =y and b/c (=b devides c) .

     

    We want to prove : [math]x\leq y[/math]

     

    From the definition of the GCD ,if (a,b) =x ,we have that:

     

    x>0........................................................................................1

     

    x/a and x/b ..............................................................................2

     

    And if d is any No such that d/a and d/b ,then d/x................................3

     

    Also if (a,c) = y we have that:

     

    y>0..............................................................................................4

     

    y/a and y/c......................................................................................5

     

    And if d is any No such that d/a and d/c ,then d/y..............................................................................................6

     

    Put in (6) d = x and we have that:

     

    If x/a and x/c ,then x/y.....................................................................................7

     

    But from (2) we have that x/a and x/b, and also is given that b/c ,hence x/a and x/c.

     

    And using (7) we have : x/y

     

    Now from the definition of x/y that implies that:

     

    y=kx ...........................................................................................8

     

    where

     

    [math] k\geq 1[/math].......................................................................9

     

    Multiply (9) by x>0 and we have:

     

    [math]xk\geq x[/math]..................................................................................10

     

    And substituting (8) into (10) we have:

     

    [math]y\geq x[/math]

     

    You can easily see the above problem by using a numerical example.

     

    Let (a,b) = (4,12) and (4,36) where 12/36

     

    And GCD(=4) of (4,12)[math]\leq[/math] GCD(=4) of (4,36)

  7. Yes you can add [math]m^2[/math] to both sides of [math]A_{3}[/math] by using the following axiom,concerning equality:

     

    for all ,x,y,z : [math] x=y\Longrightarrow x+z = y+z[/math] and if we put:

     

    x=[math]n^2[/math] , y= 2m+1 ,z = [math]m^2[/math] the above becomes:

     

    [math]n^2 = 2m+1\Longrightarrow n^2+m^2 = 2m+1+m^2[/math].

     

    By the way the law that allow us to do that is called Universal Elimination.

     

    Now coming back to your exercise ,the right state of affairs is:

     

    If n is odd ,then n= 2k+1 and thus [math]n^2 =4k^2 +4k+1 =2(2k^2+2k)+1[/math],hence there exists a natural No m such that [math]n^2=2m+1[/math] ,or [math] m=\frac{n^2-1}{2}[/math] and from here onwards we follow the proof as shown in my post

     

    But, by making the substitution n = 2k+1 into [math] m=\frac{n^2-1}{2}[/math]

     

    you simply make the proof longer .

     

    To give you another simple example.

     

    Suppose you want to prove : [math](x+1)^2 =x^2+2x+1[/math].

     

    You can do that the simple way by simple multiplying (x+1) and(x+1) and using the law of distribution obtain the desired result, or you can do it the long way as follows:

     

    Let x=y+1 ,then [math](x+1)^2 =[(y+1)+1]^2 = [(y+1)+1][(y+1)+1][/math]= (Y+1)[(y+1)+1] +1[(y+1)+1] =[math]y^2+4y+4[/math] =[math](x-1)^2 +4(x-1) +4 = x^2-2x+1+4x-4+4 =x^2+2x+1[/math]

     

    You can make the above simple problem as long as you like.

     

    So if there is a direct fly from L.A to New-York,would you fly thru S.Africa??

  8. Hey guys,

     

    I'm in the class "Number Theory" at my college. It's WEEK 1 and we are already going over these weird proofs and i am COMPLETELY lost.

     

    The question asks:

     

    "Show that if n is any odd positive integer, and m = (n^2-1)/2, then m^2 + n^2 = (m+1)^2."

     

    My professor as awful and has given us absolutely NO background.

    He's given us two proof examples in class, but i don't understand either of them, so they don't help much.

     

    From what i can gather, odd numbers are "2k+1" and even numbers are "2k". I guess this makes sense, but i don't understand how to use it.

     

    So for the problem on hand, i understand i need to show how you get from point A to point B- but the question is how.

     

    We can assume that n is odd. So n=2k+1.

    We can also assume that m= (n^2-1)/2

    And we need to get these two equations to look like: m^2 + n^2 = (m+1)^2 in the end

     

    Working backwards:

     

    m^2 + n^2 = (m+1)^2

    .............= m^2 + 2m + 1 (expanding)

    m^2 + n^2 = m^2 + 2m + 1

    ........n^2 = ........2m + 1 (subtraction)

    so n^2 = 2m+1

     

    Working from the given that m = (n^2 - 1) / 2

     

    m = (n^2 - 1) / 2

    2m = n^2 - 1 (multiplication)

    2m + 1 = n^2 (addition)

    n^2 = 2m + 1 (switch things around)

     

    So this gets the "n^2 = 2m + 1" in the final step. But how do i get the "+ m^2" ??

     

    My biggest problem is that i don't know how this proof should "look". I understand the concept, but i am having difficulty getting it into proof form.

     

    So it should look like:

     

    A: Assume n is positive and odd, and assume m = (n^2 - 1) / 2

    A1:

    A2:

    A3:

    A4:

    A5:

    A6:

    A7:

    A8:

    A9:

    B: Show that m^2 + n^2 = (m+1)^2

     

    Then we have to write it in paragraph form....

     

    Can anyone help me out with this problem? I just don't get it...

     

    This problem is from the text "Elementary Number Theory" 2/e by Charles Vanden Eynden.

    It's Chapter 0 page 9 number 11.

     

    Thanks for any help!!

     

    I think the right question is :

     

    If n is odd then there exists an integer m such that :

     

    [math] n^2 + m^2 = (m+1)^2[/math].

     

    Proof:

     

    If n is odd ,then [math]n^2[/math] is odd ,hence there exists an integer m and [math]n^2 = 2m+1[/math].

     

    Thus [math] n^2 + m^2 = 2m+1+m^2 = (m+1)^2[/math].

     

    Now the book or your lecturer to make it easier for you they added the extra formula [math] m=\frac{n^2-1}{2}[/math] ,or solving for [math]n^2[/math] is: [math]n^2 = 2m+1[/math],which is the conclusion of the theorem:

     

    If n is odd ,then [math]n^2[/math] is odd.

     

    Actually one of the facts : "n is odd" or " [math]m=\frac{n^2-1}{2}[/math]" is redundant because either of the two can lead to the conclusion:

     

    [math]n^2+m^2 = (m+1)^2[/math]

     

     

     

    Now in your opening post you ask for a step wise proof :

     

    [math]A_{1},A_{2},A_{3}....[/math].

     

    Stepwise proofs can be quite difficult sometimes>

     

    Anyway here is a step wise proof:

     

    [math]A_{1}[/math] : n is odd......................................................................................................................................................assumption

     

    [math]A_{2}[/math] : [math]m=\frac{n^2-1}{2}[/math]..................................................................................................................................assumption ,or derived from [math]A_{1}[/math]

     

     

    [math]A_{3}[/math]: [math]n^2 = 2m+1[/math]....................................................................................................by multiplying [math]A_{2}[/math] by 2 and then adding 1 to both sides

     

     

    [math]A_{4}[/math]: [math]n^2+m^2 = 2m+1+m^2[/math] ...............................................................................by adding [math]m^2[/math] to both sides of [math]A_{3}[/math]

     

     

    [math]A_{5}[/math]: [math] (m+1)^2= 2m+1+m^2[/math].................................................................................................................expanding [math](m+1)^2[/math].

     

     

     

    [math]A_{6}[/math] :[math] n^2+m^2 = (m+1)^2[/math]................................................................................by substituting [math]A_{5}[/math] into [math]A_{4}[/math]

     

    A more detailed stepwise proof can be done ,where the axioms and the laws of logic involved in the proof can be explicitly mentioned.

  9. O.K

     

    S is open in R iff ,for all ,xεS there exists an ε>ο such that for all , y:

     

    [math]y\in B(x,\epsilon)\Longrightarrow y\in S[/math].

     

    Here the ball B(x,ε) = {z : |z-x|<ε }.

     

    So in this case we are seeking an ε>0

     

    ΑΝD:

     

    S is not open in [math]R^2[/math] ,iff there exists an ,xεS such that for all ε>0 ,there exists a pair of [math] (x_{1},y_{1})[/math] belonging to the ball

     

    B((x,0),ε) and not belonging to S.

     

    Here the ball B((x,0),ε) = {(z,w) : [math]\sqrt{(z-x)^2 + w^2}<\epsilon[/math]}.

     

    So in this case we are looking for a pair of [math](x_{1},y_{1})[/math].

     

    Any suggestions??

  10. Suppose that ;

     

    1)[math] f: R^2\rightarrow R[/math] such that : [math]f(x,y) =xy[/math]

     

    2)The Euclidian norm of a vector [math] v=(u_{1}, u_{2})[/math] is defined as :

     

    [math] ||v||_{Eu} =\sqrt{ u_{1}^2 +u_{2}^2}[/math]

     

    3) The maxnorm of a vector [math] v=(u_{1},u_{2})[/math] is defined as :

     

    [math] ||v||_{max} = max( |u_{1}|,|u_{2}|)[/math]

     

    Where [math] u_{1},u_{2}[/math] belong to the real Nos R

     

    Then prove :

     

    [math] \lim_{(x,y)\to(1,1)} f(x,y) = 1[/math] ,with respect to both norms

  11. Suppose that ;

     

    1)[math] f: R\rightarrow R^2[/math] such that : [math]f(x) =(2x+1,x^2)[/math]

     

    2)The Euclidian norm of a vector [math] v=(u_{1}, u_{2})[/math] is defined as :

     

    [math] ||v||_{Eu} =\sqrt{ u_{1}^2 +u_{2}^2}[/math]

     

    3) The maxnorm of a vector [math] v=(u_{1},u_{2})[/math] is defined as :

     

    [math] ||v||_{max} = max( |u_{1}|,|u_{2}|)[/math]

     

    Where [math] u_{1},u_{2}[/math] belong to the real Nos R

     

    Then prove :

     

    [math] \lim_{x\to 0} f(x) = (1,0)[/math] ,with respect to both norms

  12. I suggest you read the opening post again carefully .

     

     

    It does not ask that the sequence ln n does not converge,

     

    But,

     

     

    That the sequence ln n diverges to infinity

     

    Who said that the negation of convergence to a limit l is :

     

    " for a given ε>0,[math]\exists N=N(\epsilon)[/math] such that [math]\forall n>N |x_{n}-l|>\epsilon[/math]"

     

    Read all the posts again, nowhere you will find that.

     

    A sequence [math] x_{n}[/math] diverges to infinity iff

     

    for all ,ε>0 there exists a natural No N ,such that:

     

    for all ,n: [math] n\geq N\Longrightarrow x_{n}>\epsilon[/math]

     

    This is the definition given by K.G BINMORE in his book :Mathematical A nalysis ,on pages 38-39

     

    To mention one of the books producing that definition

  13. not sure what that second bit has to do with the first bit.

     

    According to the definition of divergence to infinity:

     

    Given an ε>0 we have to find a natural No N ,such that:

     

    for all [math]n\geq N\Longrightarrow ln n>\epsilon[/math].

     

    So the central issue here is finding that N

  14. Suggestion No 1:

     

    For any natural No N

     

    Let n = N and m = 2N,then |ln n-ln m| = |lnN- ln2N| = |lnN-ln2-lnN|= |ln2|

     

    Hence ,choose : [math]0<\epsilon\leq |ln2|[/math]

     

    Any other suggestions?

     

    Apart from those where : m= 3N,4N,5N...............................kN?

  15. Hence if ln n is not a Cauchy sequence:

     

     

    there exists an ε>0 ,such that :

     

    For all natural Nos N ,there exist natural Nos [math]n\geq N,m\geq N[/math] ,such that : [math] |ln n-ln m|\geq\epsilon[/math]

     

    Now the question is how do we find ε,n,m to satisfy the above?

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