Peterkin

Well, Okay then!

I tried that approach first. It didn't work.

With great effort, difficulty and expense. But they good news is, they rarely get damaged in winter. And, obviously, they only exist in municipalities, not in the wild country, where snow may build up 12-14' deep and hard packed. Wires all the way through Tornado Alley? Don't think that's such a good idea. Especially at 1% loss per 100 miles of wire. It's a pretty solid box, but some people have poked holes through the side. Of course, there is the unmentionable aspect: Reduce Demand! Yeah! And this stuff! https://www.solarfabric.com/

One person's [particularly the OP's] inability or unwillingness to describe, define or explain the concept he or she wishes to discuss, does, however, limit the possibilities of a discussion, as other people's inability to grasp the incoherent idea of the OP, does also. We have very few clues as to who that may be, which gives us very little basis for bias. There may be an idea, but as long as it's incomprehensible, it has constrained scope for development, which is probably why it hasn't. If you define your terms, before launching a proffered solution to an unspecified problem in an unspecified category of unspecified subjects in an unspecified context for an unspecified purpose according and unspecified principle - sure. IOW - What are you talking about?

I don't even know what this means.

I understand that your are attempting "to further clarify your position", but your position has no evident relation to the statement I made regarding 20th century secularism; therefore I cannot regard it as a response.

Not really.... but I'm used to that.

Uh-huh. Was responding to Mistermack's post.

Gobbledegook repeated and bolded , nevertheless remains gobbledegook. If you won't define the topic and clarify the question, there can be no discussion.

This is doable in the city; not across many thousands of miles of mountain and tundra. No reason cities can't have local energy generation, each depending on where it is and what's most readily available. No reason each church and factory can't have its own solar array - as many already do. The US is buying lots of elecricity from Canada, especially Quebec, if I recall correctly, but the grid is the problem, not the solution. Yes, and tide and thermal - whatever works best in each locality. And a lot of smart, inventive people are working on a lot of different projects. It should have been started half a century ago, instead of those large subsidies to the oil and gas industry - by now, we'd really have made progress. Here's a taste. https://www.cdp.net/en/cities/world-renewable-energy-cities A great site for stats, btw.

Which answers none of my questions, including the central one: What are you talking about?? 'Work with' implies that a tool or methodology is applied to specific and defined purpose. None has been identified.

What market are you talking about?There are all kinds of business dealings going on all over the world in a whole lot of different media, via a lot of different monetary devices on various legal and financial platforms. What, specifically, requires direction and tweaking? And why? That's a doctrine exactly as effective as the divine right of kings or the infallibility of the pope. Sounds lofty and comprehensive, even while it means nothing. Best in what sense? By what underlying principle or desired outcome - and desired by whom, for whose benefit? The dirty, competitive, partisan political systems are entirely human. They're already controlled, to a large extent, by economic interests. All the computer is expected to do is calculate the cost/profit ratios and transfer the funds. That is the least error-prone component of the system. I suspect your grasp on economic theory is not very firm yet. Here is an entertaining beginner's guide. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/270750.A_Tenured_Professor It's a novel, not very long and easy to read, that tells you more about how "the market" operates than many difficult essays would.

I don't imagine known spies would neglect to wear gloves - or even touch the paper themselves while photographing. However, the FBI may be collecting evidence of specific crimes by persons other than Trump, against whom they intend to bring separate charges.

Something like that did happen in the west in the mid 20th century. Due to a number of converging factors, after WWII, there was a strong movement toward secularism, liberalism, ecumenicalism and personal freedom. Churches were losing their congregants in droves; so much so, that a great many places of worship had to be decosecrated, sold and repurposed. Young people were experimenting, not only with sex and drugs, but also with philosophies. The Eastern traditions had terrific charisma for my generation - most of whom, of course, had only the most superficial understanding of those philosophies; they just liked the incense and flowing draperies. Most of the lapsed Christians of that period had never been deeply religious, and nor were their families; it was largely lip-service they were rejecting. We were actually headed toward a tolerant, inclusive society... Then came The Backlash. Again, for many and complex reasons, most of them unconcerned with the soul or God or any of those imaginary things: what was actually at stake was far more practical.

It's not 'momentum'; it's a deliberately engineered and driven international rightward push. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/15/far-right-extremism-global-problem-worldwide-solutions/ , and it's not about change, but the consolidation of power in non-democratic agents. See, there are two problems with democracy: people who understand their own self-interest move toward social services and environmental issues (to improve their living conditions) and the most obvious place to get the wherewithal for those improvements is the enormous caches of wealth accumulated by the uber-rich. The easiest way to stop that trend is to keep yelling "The Economy's on fire and your children will all starve to death!" and "Those Others want your stuff!", so the uber-rich can keep raking it in and give none of it back. To this end, they support the fire-bell ringing politicians - as long as they're useful. It doesn't need to be Trump, a Cruz, DeSantis or Rubio will do (I don't think Pence has the requisite bluster; he looks too much like Biden) to keep the yobs and chavs at one another's throats while the overlords gobble up what's left of the planet. That's a whole other basket of fish. Let's not try unpacking it here.

No kidding! It was a fiction then, as it is now. But it's one of the best stick (they have wronged you; they're out to get you) and carrot (reclaim your birthright to former glory, however illusory) strategy never gets used up: there is an infinite well of grievance in the breast of every man who feels inadequate or insecure. Yea... People don't like that. Put the word 'critical' in race theory or mass or anything at all, those same people feel unjustly accused. That was not an accident or coincidence. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/why-todays-gop-crackup-is-the-final-unraveling-of-nixons-southern-strategy/

...but not that they're the ones being stopped and searched...

The propaganda goes far deeper, wider and is more insidious than 'their way of life will be some how impacted'. There is a whole, interwoven narrative about job-losses, erosion of social services because of increased demand by outsiders, whites becoming a minority "in our own country", large immigrant families displacing their own children in the better schools, or overburdening the schools, or demanding a change the curriculum to include foreign religious teaching, more agile dark-skinned athletes pushing them out of sport teams or getting preference; marrying and/or impregnating their daughters; crime, especially violent crime, such as gangs, gun and drug traffic; escalation of illegal incomers because 'they' will shelter their compatriots. And that's just the immigrant story. The African-Americans pose a separate but overlapping array of threats. And that's before the propaganda-mill even gets started on the gay/feminist/socialist agenda of "the extreme left", which wants to suppress innovation and enterprise, impose exorbitant taxes, take our guns, pick-up trucks, cattle, motherhood and Liberty, the same way they've already stolen Christmas, the Sanctity of the Flag, patriarchal privilege and Family Values (I'm not sure about apple pie).... The fear and loathing never end.

Like Tom Bombadil? Sorry, impossible to resist, especially as you've done it to me with some iconic piece of cultural flotsam with which I was unfamiliar.

Aha! Except what you actually quoted was my response to that. Soooo - Each voter should just write in their own nominee? Do away with government altogether? Or just the election process? Because that last is what Trump and the extreme right are trying to achieve.

I have no idea what this means on either side of the Atlantic, since my reference was to placing a bet in Canadian currency.

It may be 'interesting', but I'm not deeply concerned with what it is you're escaping from, or how that relates to previous discussion. My problem is simply that you have consistently refused, not only to respond to what I have actually written, or the subject to which I was referring, but the very framework of reality in which it exits. Therefore, communication is impossible.

There is no point in pursuing this. You evidently live in a different dimension.

Or $7.71, depending.

That's what I frickin said! And What Marx said! The oppressed do not have enough to eat, or decent shelter, or clothing or health care or sanitation or education or leisure or anydamnthing. This why they are discontent and occasionally chop off the heads of their oppressors. But you and the various priesthoods keep insisting they should be "content" with their lot on Earth, because there is milk and honey and harp music in heaven... Catch 22: trying to get there before the oppressors are ready to let you off the rack is punishable by eternal hellfire. No, it doesn't! Oppressors are hydra. The heads grow back and shield themselves behind another generation of prelates, preaching abstinence and selflessness through one face, gobbling swan's tongue and cognac with the other.