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  1. I understand the overlap. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to just bump that old thread but some online communities don’t like that. There is a fundamental difference. The crux of the approach last time was to contrast health to the efficacy of vaccines, but I wanted this thread to focus specifically on case studies or research that may exist that looks specifically at siblings where one is vaccinated and one isn’t. Or some similar such circumstance. Guessing based on what’s been posted so far the well is running dry. Sorry. For example—there is evidence to sugg
  2. Me again—guy with the anti-vaxxer pregnant wife trying to set her straight. Looking for medical case studies or vaccine research or that contrasts vaccinated with non-vaccinated siblings. My wife believes good health and fitness can compensate for vaccines. So examples of differences in health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated siblings is another line of evidence that shows vaccines actually work.
  3. Can you not appreciate that, when trying to convince a cynical person, induction of that caliber isn’t going to work? The anti-vaccination community circulates a graph showing a sharp dip in measles outbreaks many years before the vaccine came out. Sadly, information like that has made people within that community suspicious of “absence” of a disease being used as evidence, given things like hygiene and general health have also improved as time has gone on. I get it. Vaccination rates go up, infection rates go down, and vice versa. But that angle just won’t penetrate, because peopl
  4. I don’t need luck, I need better, more scientific evidence to point to; two-way ANOVA tests, that sort of thing. The potential for confounding variables is a problem, so simply citing the absence of a particular disease in this day and age just won’t cut it—reasonable though it may be. When a person is genuinely plagued by fallacious information they can quite easily fill in the blanks with their own nonsense. I need positive evidence to substantiate my positive claim that vaccines do something for the immune system that lifestyle choices and diet cannot. I have lots of literature and art
  5. I understand you what you’re saying. What I mean is, I’m trying to convince a person who very easily conflates and confuses things. She’ll dismiss that sort of argument as “hygiene improved and that’s that”. I need to try a find explicit studies that show diet and health are a factor that can’t replicate what vaccines do.
  6. I appreciate the sentiments, but “healthiest” doesn’t necessarily mean they had the level of health my wife believes she, our child to be, and I, will be able to maintain. And imagination is half the problem, my wife imagines all sorts of quirky things about health and well-being. Her sister was a Breathatarian for a short time, to give you some idea of the lunacy she’s being exposed to. What’s difficult is that my wife has an almost unfalsifiable position given the studies needed to prove her side of things are not feasible—she can’t substantiate her side at all. But I’m left trying to m
  7. My wife is pregnant, and comes from a pretty nutty family of conspiratorial people. The Earth is flat, the British Royal Family are reptiles, you know the drill. She’s come a long way as a result of my influence—I’m very skeptical and scientific—but I fear she has some misconceptions about health and vaccines. She’s thankfully open to the idea of vaccines now, but feels they’re superfluous and a healthy lifestyle is enough. She has some misconceptions about health in general, she was a big fan of Dr. Sebi (he’s a total fraud) and things like the Acid-Ash Hypothesis, but I managed to
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