Curious layman

Just now, iNow said:

What “tweaks” do you recommend?

I don't recommend anything, that's why I posted on this forum, because people like CharonY and Hypervalient are here who are knowledgeable about these things.

I was wondering if there was another way to determine who plays what based on something other than just male or female. Maybe based on muscle mass or testosterone, or something else.

Is the future of sport mixed? will it stay the same?, will it change?

I don't know, just something I thought was interesting. Maybe I should of changed the title to "the future of sport' instead.

33 minutes ago, iNow said:

preexisting misogynistic assumptions and gender biases?

Try reading the 100m sprint times that were posted.

33 minutes ago, iNow said:

In what way are you suggesting this assertion is relevant?

I never made an assertion and never said it was relevant. If it was wrong, then fine, I'm happy to be educated. But what I'm not fine with, is being accused of being misogynistic.

the point of his thread was/is about the future of sport regarding transgenders. My concerns about the safety or fairness isn't my way of saying including them is wrong, i just think sport will need to change in the near future and was interested in how or what that might be.

If you can only interpret my questions or my (admittedly) shitty knowledge on the subject as having an hidden agenda then that's too bad.

I was hoping to learn something interesting*, not defend myself against unfair accusations.

peace.

edit: * which I have.

21 minutes ago, zapatos said:

 

If you don't want us to assume you and another have an anti-trans agenda then stop saying things that sound like you do have an agenda.

Where have i made anti trans statements?

You need to stop pulling assumptions out your ass, they stink.

11 minutes ago, iNow said:

Your link doesn’t support your claim

Yes it does.

1 hour ago, Curious layman said:

I could be wrong, but their seems to be a lot more male to female athletes entering sports than female to male athletes.

My link doesn't support your accusations and assumptions.

as for the down votes...yawn, you sad bastard.

19 minutes ago, iNow said:

Return when done.

Sure. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports#Trans_men

at the bottom.

20 minutes ago, iNow said:

and expecting all of us to accept them as valid

Now who's extracting assertions from their colon. 

I have made no assertions, just given opinions.

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An opinion is a judgement, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive.

29 minutes ago, iNow said:

 

In a word, No. In another word, Stop. 

You need to get of your high horse and stop assuming people who are interested in this have an anti trans agenda.

5 minutes ago, iNow said:

I gave examples of it being surmounted. Just because you found one specific example where it wasn’t doesn’t magically render my rebuttal invalid. 

Either way, you’re boring and I’m done. 

She does have a point though (the men's running events, not the other stuff). For alot of sportsmen/women, sport is a way out of poverty.

What if you're born female and you're considered a world class athlete, in some sports if you moved over to the men's events you're career would be over, you wouldn't even qualify. That's not a situation that would encourage people to be themselves.

I could be wrong, but their seems to be a lot more male to female athletes entering sports than female to male athletes.

It's something I think needs to be addressed at some point. I don't think sport needs a major overhaul, just a few tweaks here and there.

41 minutes ago, OdinSon2k11 said:

How are the camera lenses kept free of dust? The picture is crystal clear. 

Dust covers.

5 minutes ago, swansont said:

There are physical difference between any arbitrary group of men, and any arbitrary group of women. Can just anybody succeed at basketball? At horse racing? Is there a lot of crossover participation between pro jockeys and the NBA? We have weight classes in wrestling and boxing. 

Yes, sexual dimorphism is real. But you’re presenting it as a specific, rather than a general trend.

There are different issues when one is speaking of professional sports and amateur sports, where everyone is supposed to be able to participate 

 

Very well put, thank you.

12 minutes ago, Danijel Gorupec said:

 

What I hope is that there will be the ultimate category. The category where anybody can try to compete.... (btw, is this already so.... are all 'man' sports open for females who might be able to compete?)

 

IIRC there have been women in men's NASCAR, golf too. Probably more.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_NASCAR_drivers

quite a few actually.

1 minute ago, swansont said:

You could go with believing people when they tell you the gender with which they identify. Why does it have to be more complicated than that?

Who said I didn't believe them. 

I was under the impression there are physical differences between men and women. If their aren't, can you explain why we have male and female sports instead of just sport?

Just now, swansont said:

Why not use an actual example instead of making something up?

 

 

Because this is a recent thing, so there aren't any I can think of.

2 hours ago, Curious layman said:

Would it be possible to have another way to determine who plays what sport?

So instead of male and female, base it on muscle ratio or testosterone levels?

Once again, this is the question I'm interested in. The future of sport, how will it change to accommodate everyone fairly.

If it doesn't need to be, then fine. I'm interested in being educated on the subject not making a statement.

39 minutes ago, swansont said:

Are you presenting a scenario where someone who is not trans pretends to be? i.e. they are trying to cheat? 

 

No. That's just poor phrasing by me. Apologies for confusion, my fault.

Just a genuine interest in the future of sport regarding transgender people. How do we make it fair for everyone.

1 minute ago, zapatos said:

Why are you "concerned"? Is someone in danger? Do you have examples of injuries?

This is just another issue concerning sports, along with equitable pay, the rule regarding turnovers due to fumbles that go out of the end zone, and the use of HGH.

Trying to scare people with scenarios like Mike Tyson killing young ladies in the ring simply feeds into peoples' fears and makes this a more difficult issue than it needs to be.

People also used to be afraid that women would die if they were allowed to compete in the marathon.

I'm using Mike Tyson because everybody knows who he is, and I'll admit it's an extreme example.

'is someone in danger'

not now, but the point is they could be.

hence the question "is it possible to have another way to decide who plays in what sport"

Just to reiterate, I'm interested in the future of sport and how it will or will not change regarding transgender people. Not whether they should be allowed to play.

1 minute ago, Prometheus said:

concerned

Exactly. Concerned, not against.

No offence, but I was hoping CharonY might answer. I'm genuinely interested   If sports will have to change regarding transgender people. 

Is mixed sports a possibility. Could transgender people be able to play in either sport?

Edit: CharonY just replied 🙂

3 minutes ago, swansont said:

But it’s not an example.

It’s a boogie-man. It’s a monster under the bed. A made-up scenario to frighten people. A slippery-slope fallacy. 

 

You can’t have an honest discussion if you aren’t properly representing the situation. 

A monster under the bed! 

So you don't think someone like him could become transgender and we should ignore it because it will probably never happen?

Men are physically stronger than women, at some point it will be a problem.

57 minutes ago, Curious layman said:

Would it be possible to have another way to determine who plays what sport?

So instead of male and female, base it on muscle ratio or testosterone levels?

This is my question, what I'm interested in discussing. Not the right and wrongs of transgender's in sport.

1 minute ago, swansont said:

I missed where Mike Tyson announced they are transgender. Do you have a link?

Of course I don't. It's an extreme example.

But if someone like Mike Tyson in his prime were to change sex and enter women's boxing he would probably kill them. Not just boxing, rugbys another one. 

Would you be comfortable with an in prime Iron mike in women's boxing?

how do we intergrate them? 

I support transgender rights, but there are serious issues with former men entering women's sports. Mike Tyson would be an example.

Would it be possible to have another way to determine who plays what sport?

So instead of male and female, base it on muscle ratio or testosterone levels?

Do we need to do anything at all?

Do you think it will happen?

Is Biden weak, do you think the Democrats need to be more aggressive?

Been inspired by this:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/joe-biden-says-his-hands-are-tied-on-a-2415-minimum-wage-thats-not-true/ar-BB1e6X8x?ocid=BingNews

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When a Republican is president, Democratic politicians, pundits and activists will tell you that the presidency is an all-powerful office that can do anything it wants. When a Democrat is president, these same politicians, pundits and activists will tell you that the presidency has no power to do anything. In fact, they will tell you a Democratic president cannot even use the bully pulpit and other forms of pressure to try to shift the votes of senators in his own party.

17 hours ago, Alex Mercer said:

Wow it got really technical, now I don't understand!! Oh well...

Lol, I feel ya bro. 

I agree with beecee, first three answers are good for an amateur. 

If you do try to understand the technical stuff, Swansont is the person to stick with. No offence to the others, but Swansont is top dog around here.

14 minutes ago, namegoeshere said:

Visible symptoms all over my skin. Still infectious and still transmissible. Something is oozing out of the side of my head

Photos?

You won't find the help you need on this site I'm afraid.

Good luck with the future buddy.

43 minutes ago, Area54 said:

I'm confused. Since when did gay become a perjorative term,

When I was in school in the 90s we used it a lot. Gay boy, queer, poofter (pronounced 'puff'), faggot, bender.

I only hear faggot now days. And this is rare. Usually by racists or outright homophobes. 

26 minutes ago, ScienceNostalgia101 said:

One thing that has always bothered me about the gay marriage debate is that people who call everything they dislike gay, and everyone they dislike a faggot, but support gay marriage.

Not everyone says 'gay' as an insult to gay people. 

I say 'mate' a lot, as in 'alright mate', I don't think we're mates its just a habit I've picked up.

I'm not defending it, but there's a difference between saying , "man, that's gay" and outright calling someone a faggot.

I understand why someone would be offended by both of them, but context is important here.

I support gay marriage, but don't automatically assume people who don't are homophobic. 

3 minutes ago, ScienceNostalgia101 said:

If Europe also had mandatory quarantine on travellers from China, the disease wouldn't have gotten into Europe either, and all of this could have been prevented.

But what about people who aren't from China but have had contact with someone who is? You can't quarantine everyone, far too many people.You'd do more damage than good.

12 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Well neither does the US

Just to clarify, I was referring to Scottish independence not disagreements over Covid. I'm on your side in this discussion. 

My fault.

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once on the first lap

twice on laps 2-9

once on the last lap.

17 minutes ago, ScienceNostalgia101 said:

Britain and America at least speak for their citizens.

That's not what Scotland says. 🙂