DARK0717

11 hours ago, Silvestru said:

Yes. Sorry I kind off implied that in my example.
Also if someone would hypothetically use "a device to quite literally suck in or funnel the Earths magnetic field"  it would probably have tragic consequences!
#MarsRemembers

lol yea, imagine all the magnetic field of the earth just sucked dry. But even so, laws of thermodynamics, the energy u get from the funneling will just return back to the atmospher at one point in its energy form to another energy form cycle.

I see.

I asked this question because ive been quite intruiged about the Zero Point Energy generator scams all use magnets. I just wondered that what if zpe isnt really energy from nowhere but actual magnetic fields. Well thanks for answering me, maybe extracting neodymium fields couldve be sufficient since its got a really strong magnetism.

If thats the case, does magnetism ever run out? or does it get consumed and not go back to being a field, i find it highly unlikely like the earth's field which if its the case then funneling tremendous amounts of weak fields will stack up to a sufficient amount to be usable and the cycle of energy going back to being a field and the cycle continuous. Plus, if its that weak, how does it protect us from the Sun's harm? 

7 hours ago, Strange said:

Correct. And special relativity explains why they are the same thing. 

so, back to the original question since weve got the fundamentals of magnetism layed down. Can such a device be built to quite literally suck in or funnel the Earths magnetic field or even fields from magnets and get usable electricity out of it?

On 1/1/2019 at 1:43 AM, QuantumT said:

The extremely high pressure down there.
The pipe's made strong enough to withstand it, so there's less pressure inside it, than outside it. Therefore it acts as a pressure release, sending water upwards.

Maybe it won't work, but as long as it hasn't been tried - who knows?

i think what u shouldve gone with is lining the pipe with piezoelectric objects, I've read piezoelectric is like the higher the pressure, the more electricity comes out of the element like quartz I think, anyways, this is out of my expertise or knowledge.

5 hours ago, Strange said:

You are quite right. I should have said “... by a moving charge [such as an electric current]”

then that would prove what I said that magnetism and electrcity always come together, it's simply just moving one or the other to get the other. eg "cut"the field with a magnet or coil then u get electrcty, move electricity and u get a field.

8 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

you still have to eat

don't make this much broader than what I originated the topic with. If u wanna go for it, heres my answer. Our solar system is technically and long term perpetual system specifically the earth and the sun, continuous cycle of feeding and being fed and so on so the cycle and everything is pretty much free for me. Its just the idea of people having to pay is what makes free, paid.

1 minute ago, dimreepr said:

no such thing as a free lunch.

lol ofcourse, I used the word "free" because u get the watch running without buying batteries for replacement.

On 27/12/2018 at 10:27 PM, Strange said:

You need either a moving coil or a moving agent to generate electricity. There are very low power devices that generate their own power the way (for example, some electronic watches charge the batteries from the movement of the wearer's arm).

What is a magnetic sheet?

 

1. That's free energy right there

2. imagine a bond paper, but its painted with magnetic dust or something similar to that idea.

1 minute ago, studiot said:

It also fills a large volume; it is diffuse.

So these particles travel a long way before they are fully deflected.

Oh, i never knew that. Thanks

Just now, studiot said:

You are using it every day to protect yourself from harmful charged particles coming from space.

 

XD. Now who says the earths magnetic field is “weak”

27 minutes ago, Strange said:

A magnetic field does not "contain" electricity. A magnetic field is generated by a changing electric current. An electric current is generated by a changing magnetic field. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html

If you were to move a conductor through the Earth's magnetic field, you could generate a tiny voltage. But the Earth's magnetic field is very weak so it is not a practical way of generating electricity.

A magnetic field always starts and ends at the poles. That is why you can never get an isolated north pole. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/maxeq2.html#c2

Well, if u change the field then where does the electricity come from? I mean just a simple coil and a magnet can generate electricity. If it just flows around the closed loop then why not just do that on every electronic device?

I know about energy loss so dont explain it further to me XD

Have u tried to place a magnetic sheet on top of a magnet on its side, it shows 2 separate ovals, one for north and one for south?

Yes u can never get an isolated north, no idea why but if u split the magnet, ull just create another toroid for either north or south. What im saying is traditional textbook mag field visualization is probably wrong since not much big companies put an effort to further explore the “field” of magnetism than what it is now. (sorry for the pun XD)

(actually, i know why u get another field if u cut a magnet, nvm XD)

What the title says.

im not talking about magnetic induction but an actual converter like a funnel. One end sucks in magnetic field and the other end spits out usable electricity?

I asked this question because, since magnetism and electricity “come together”, meaning that magnetic fields must/should contain electricity.

I visualize it as magnetism cages electricity in a spiral/helix fashion, to convert that to usable elec. maybe reverse it so that the elec cages the magnetism.

(Random)

Do u guys know what the mag fields really are? What im saying is instead of a field going from north to south, north has an entirely separate field in a clockwise toroid and the south is counterclockwise. Ive observed this with a magnetic sheet and not with iron dust because iron dust is simply magnetized thats why it follows the toroid shape but since the dust has its own N and S, it just forms an oval bridging north if the magnet to the south.

Thank you very much

Do AC motors/generators make frequencies since it alternates, it should be an oscillation or a frequency?

I'm curious if Tesla used AC generators/motors to do high frequency stuff and is that frequency similar to sound frequency or even the frequency of everything?

On 20/12/2018 at 6:05 PM, studiot said:

 

I am still not clear what you mean by high frequency.??

 

There is a reason why mains frequency is set at the 50/60 Hz level.
As frequency rises, the size of (frequency sensitive) components decreases.
This is particularly seen with inductive components, coils, chokes and transformers.
This makes them smaller lighter in weight and cheaper.

Set against this arises the need for specially tuned circuits to carry the electricity.

So 50/60Hz mains is set where large heavy transformers can be founded on the ground.
In the aircraft industry 400/440 hz is common which saves a great deal of weight and bulk in an aircraft.
The trade off is fancier wiring.

Once you get into the kilohertz and above range tuned transmission lines are needed, which are impractical for long runs.
So the efficiency saving trade off favouirs ultrasonic motors, which are directly coupled and close to  their power source.
But the capacitance involved in longer transmission becomes significant.
 

 

 

oh I see, thank you.

But about what you said last time where back then, what they considered Tesla's works to be high frequencies are not very high today so are you saying its below the Mhz range? or waaay lower?

Other than smaller and fancier circuitries, what other better benefits does higher frequencies do?

When I meant high frequency, Im just curious because Tesla was working on High Frequency and high voltage electric stuff so I cant stop thinking wether is he using high sound frequency coupled with a separate high voltage electricity or the high voltage is on high frequency itself that's why I came to ask "you guys" personally to find the answer faster and more accurately.

8 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

If you can make an AC motor work then you already have oscillating current

What are you trying to do?

just some high voltage, high frequency electricity

3 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

Oscilloscopes do not generate oscillations.

What "thing"?

The same thing as eachother, or the thing that you mistakenly thing oscilloscopes do?

They still get used sometimes for high voltage switching- because they are simple and cheap.  They are inefficient, noisy and need regular maintenance.

 

Yes, thyratrons, thyristors, triac, triggertrons, transistors, relays  etc. 

It's impossible to know which options would be good without knowing what you want to do.

It is one type of spark gap; there are others.

to clarify

1. I meant frequency generators not oscilliscopes

2. I meant do AC motors/generators make oscillations since "it alternates". If so, can I just use an AC motor to make oscillations and a step up coil for higher volts?

10 hours ago, studiot said:

I'm very glad to see you are asking a sensible question instead of pushing nonsense from cranks.  +1

But beware there are many cranks using/hiding behind the Tesla brand.

 

No Tesla didn't have an audio amplifier or an oscilloscope.

But he did use coils.

The system was known as a 'spark gap device'.

Bsically the making and breaking of a mechanical contact causes electrical oscillations in an inductive system.
The faster the contats make and break, the higher the voltage and the frequency.

https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/invention-of-radio/spark-gap-transmitter/

Remember also what they called high frequency would not be regarded as very high today.
Nowadays the High Frequency band (HF) is officially in the 3Mhz to 30 Mhz range which is not very high compared to a mobile phone in the 1 to 15 giga hertz range.

Final comment, when you break the contacts a phenomenon called inductive backswing occurs.
This can be a very high voltage and is the basis of creating several hundred volts in an automotive distributor.
These several hundred volts are then transformed to several kilovolts by the 'automotive coil' acting as a transformer.

 

Thank you very much. Another question, is the oscilloscope/frequency generators have the same function as the spark gap device (which is generate electrical frequency/oscillations)? Does AC generators or motors do the same thing? How applicable or how relevant is the spark gap device to use today? if not that relevant to use then are there any devices I could make or buy to do the same thing as a spark gap device? How synonymous is sound frequency to electrical frequency/oscillations? Is frequency and voltage directly proportional? Ive also seen a device in which there is a circular disc with bolts and nuts attached in the outer circumference of the disc which then travels in between two contacts in a very tiny spacing in between which generates spark, is this the same as the spark gap device?

You can answer these question by maybe labeling your answers 1-5 accordingly. XD

I was wondering the web and saw a Nikola Tesla video and saw that Tesla is applying high voltage, high frequencies. How exactly does Tesla do high volts and high frequencies at the same time? Does he use sound using an ancient amplifier and oscilloscope? XD or is it related to AC motors in which the currents oscillate and the faster the AC motor is, the higher the frequency/oscillations which then goes to a step up coil???

19 hours ago, Strange said:

So why aren't the oil companies using this magic technology? They could avoid all the time and expense of exploring for diminishing oil reserves. And cut out the middleman by selling electricity instead of selling oil at a lower profit.

But also, how do they have the power to do this?

No it isn't.

It is perfectly well understood. Except by you and your fellow free-energy nuts.

Maybe you should learn then, instead of making stuff up.

Why aren't they using this technology? They are already making so much money. Why would they even invest time and money on something they are unsure of. I know the rules of trade and I know they wont risk their money on something they think isn't worth while. Why aren't electric companies not using this tech. Same reason. They still wont invest money to something risky. Oil companies don't have the power? Yes they do. Where do electric companies get the electricity? From burning oil, coal. "How about the water turbines etc etc. Who owns them? The turbine companies. The electric companies pay the bigger companies to get paid by us and since those big companies are the root of energy trade then yes, they definitely have the power. A simple threat of cutting bonds and ties is enough to scare those electric companies to back off on projects and researches. Even I wont do it, but hey, I stand for myself and I have no company. The risk to reward ratio can be slim in things like this so its a risk but if you ask me, Its still a risk, but this is a financial risk Im willing to take because you guys haven't seen what ive seen.

ZPE is NOT well understood. The basis of this are one theories eg: quantum field THEORY, Einstein's theory of general relativity or special relativity, are theories proven, no, not yet, now tell me if theories are also WELL understood.

Ill give you what's well understood as an example of what is really well understood. 

The earth is round or an oblate spheroid.

Everything consist of molecules and molecules consist of atoms

Nutrients on Food

We breathe oxygen

There, now you tell me if these things aren't well understood. 

Maybe its you who should learn and NOT make things up. "It is perfectly well understood. Except by you and your fellow free-energy nuts."

In this case of you making me look stupid by thinking what your saying is completely true and saying false facts without doing intensive researches and tests into something that you said, I can therefore conclude that "We fellow free-energy nuts" more know about ZPE than you and anyone else. Why? Because we did more research about those things than anyone because we believe of the potential that people seem to ignore because of what other people higher than them said to them that these things are fake or impossible. Well guess what, even Tesla's teacher said AC IS IMPOSSIBLE, now look, AC power for the world.

22 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

Two things
1 Through what mechanism?

2 Japan.

No oil or coal to speak of. Plenty of money.
Are they using these magic coils?

Why not?

Speak for yourself.

Do you fully understand ZPE? Speak for myself? Did I claim to understand, if so I will quit this site and this project and admit for being stupid If I claimed or said I understand ZPE to its fullest.

Why not? Read Up

You can say no oil, but there is definitely coal. Heck even oil companies mine coal because coal is what powers most of the electricity today. You might say why don't we have coal burners in our house?? Yeah, amazing reasoning, ofcourse there are coal power plants.

Have you done your research on things like these to seemingly underestimate a mere person who just asks if such phenomenon (original question) is possible? Or are you just looking it up quickly in google and paste whatever you see, not learned?

10 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

I think we should wait for some sort of explanation of why the power stations are not building these.

It should be funny.

Over to you DARK0717

They wont and they cant, the bigger bosses like the oil companies will do everything they can to shut these projects down coz their oil business will go down in a matter of weeks or other companies who rely on non free energy to get all the money they can. What should be funny is why does the rich companies want to get richer.

10 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

Well, I hadn't done a lot of research.
But, now that I know you believe that,  know I am right.

You have been suckered.

 

And if your idea of doing an experiment involves trying to use a dead battery as a power source, the best I can say is that you are simply not equipped to do it well.

The battery isn't dead, I said its mostly used and been stocked for almost a year, which you should've concluded that its almost drained but not dead.

I don't want to believe because I know my time will be wasted on such childish dreams, but I tell you, try to look more into it because right now, you are judging the book by its cover.

11 hours ago, Strange said:

This probably gives a clue about how terrible your measurements are. We can't draw any conclusions from this shambolic experiment.

Perpetual motion does not mean, literally, going on for ever. It just means running without a source of energy.

"Zero point energy" is an old favourite of free energy crackpots.

That's exactly what perpetual motion means. Going on forever without the source of energy.

Zero point energy is the quantum energy that drives electrons to move around without an external source, but that's not true coz that external energy is zero point energy which is not understandable as of today.  Zero point energy may also the one in charge of light reaching a fast speed. and much more. You can look at it like this, Zero point energy is the air, we cant see, but we know what it can do, we also feel it. And the coil being the wind turbines. Altho not excactly what it is but its the best I can say at the moment.

22 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

I have only the information on display- and in the soundtrack of- the video.

 I see them construct a complicated array of bits of wire. And I hear them say they connect one coil to an amplifier (and I also see that there's a signal generator which seems to be driving the amp) and I see that they connect a load- a group of LEDs to the other coil. And I see them light up.

There's no indication of the power applied or delivered, so it is impossible to say if it amplifies or not.

However the laws of physics say it's impossible for it to do so.

You have been suckered.

Ive done my homework and a lot of intensive research even those that correlate with the coil even for the smallest of correlation, I researched. 

1. did u research about it before you conclude that I have been suckered? or is it you who has been due to ignorance or probably laziness to not research something you don't understand?

2. If you've done some research, ull know why theres an amp, and oscilloscope, and the exact measurements of the input and output. Fun fact, im not your average guy in the backyard thinking that perpetual motion is possible, obviously, it doesn't, "The laws of physics say it doesn't", yes it doesn't, you cant create energy from nothing, and neither does the coil, the coil instead takes energy from its surroundings eg. atmosphere, ground energy, even people that go inside the room (which I forgot to mention, I have proven since the voltage changes depending on the person and how many is the person in the room) etc etc. that one might even say its "zero point energy" which is not entirely impossible unlike perpetual motion which is totally impossible as all things come to a halt even the sun will come to a halt which then makes the perpetuality of the earth come to a halt as well. You can conclude that I am not a suckered person, or an idiot because that I am not. Altho some mistakes here and there specially in the comments but what can I say, im merely human.

49 minutes ago, Strange said:

Nonsense.

As we have gone from questions to full-on crackpot, I will suggest this is moved to the appropriate place.

That might be its purpose, but it doesn't do it.

You could build this, extract some of the power to stop it getting dangerous and sell that power to your local electricity company.

Why isn't everyone (who believes this nonsense) doing this? Why isn't the electricity company doing this? I'm sure they would love to just have a couple of coils to give them free energy instead of having to pay for coal/oil/nuclear fuel.

yes uve got a point, its potential is the very reason why I tried it out in the first place

Well, it increased the mA of a very used battery and the point in which it has to warm up, well its pretty warmed up before I tested with the LED which therefore I can conclude that the milliamp increase isn't a coincidence or because of the status of the battery or I can just say it does its purpose, since its a small model, it wont do much just like the bigger ones

1 minute ago, Strange said:

It is four windings on a core. It can act as a transformer, if you use it that way. It can act as an inductor with some resistance.

No it doesn't.

You are certainly not getting both a higher voltage and a higher current.

 

What im trying to say with "It amplifies power" is that its purpose (the coil) is to amplify power/energy

1 minute ago, studiot said:

I don't understand what you are saying.

Sure the question is very simple?

 

Is there a power source  of any description, other than the 2 D cells, connected to the circuit, either directly or indirectly?

nah, just the batteries, nothing else

Just now, studiot said:

 

So is the power source yet another thing you haven't told us about before ?

No. The thing is if we could get two coils to run in to a loop, that will get it to not require a power source, but instead run on its own but the dangerous part is the energy must be released or else it will just keep on stacking energy infinitely or to the maximum the coil can take. So at the moment, a power source is required, if the power source runs out of juice, be it batteries or the outlet, the coil will stop working, and IT MUST have a load in order to function or for the amplification to happen, that's atleast what I learned from my tests because the energy needs to flow into that specific geometry.

Just now, Carrock said:

You can keep the capacitor charged by feeding back to it a little of the power you've created.

 

 

I cant just plug a capacitor into it, I will did a diode to prevent the current to go back, altho I don't know what specific diode it is yet