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If photon has no rest mass how it could have relativistic mass which is actually apprent mass added to the mass in motion .

Yes dear energy does exist independently however mass doesn't exist independly . means mass less particles may contain energy but can not exhibit particle characteristics

I am well in English but yaar it seems u r not well prepared to understand physics Being Indian u is short form of you Nice dear that is what I was trying to say sofar and if rest frame for photon doesnt exist then how to explain its relative mass

And f is free energy not fruquency But where u found I am feeble in English Have u found any correction in my content I posted initially

U meant equation is incomplete

If photon is mass less then it is only energy ... If we say it has particle nature then we shud say energy has particle nature ... Then every kind of energy shud have particle nature Where was that incomplete bro I am not wrong ... OK let u explain dual nature how it is possible for zero mass quantity But I am not denying its dual nature but trying to explain its existence Dear f is free energy associated with every particle in nature .. It is new term not preworked one that is why u r confused

Every thing at quantum level has dual nature but photon is nothing at all but energy as having no rest mass so what about that do u mean energy on quantum level behaves as particle Nice then if it is applicable for quantity having mass then do u mean energy behaves as particle We cannot measure the lapse between transition between two dual behavior of photon as it is so rapid we pretend that both natures exist simultaneously And at highest density point it has particle nature and energy nature at threshold value density ... Energy for compression is obtained from the energy associated with its particle nature

What about debronglie lambda =h/ MV it is not applicable at quantum level only hahaha Nice but where from the apparent mass of massless quantity can evolve

It is wrong indeed becoz it only mentioned that photon has dual nature though having zero mass explain it in view of enistines concept Be amicable dear that is only way to reach conclusion

I am claiming that eneisteins theory was lacking few concepts like relative mass of something that had zero mass OK u explain it Photons are masless but apparent mass can be defined only for those particles having definite rest mass ... If photon really would have even negligible mass its relativistic mass would be immense that we would never be able to with stand its collision despite of its minute size ... But fortunately photon actually isn't particle at all and hence had no mass but what about term particle nature of photon ... Explain it And it should be apparent weight not mass as mass doesn't change even if kinetic energy is supplied ... Mas remains constant What typing words etc are u vituperating me

Yes I will but u need to let me know the content that u think is garbled

Which content u think was garbled

Try to ponder u will understand it

I am taking about its relativistic mass which is mass due to its motion in space or kinetic energy .... If rest mass is zero relative mass has no meaning for that as energy suplied to energy will give u more energy .... But energy supplied to mass may set it in motion and hence will increase its appent mass

Nice dear but I am not looking for what u said answer the content is itself a theory .... Force when applied on the ball attains motion and hence kinetic energy hence its appent mass increases but what about photon whoes rest mass is zero or its initial mass before it was set in motion was zero supplying energy to energy will give large amount of energy ...e1 + e2 not apparent mass to zero mass quantity Energy of photon doesn't change but packet within which it is packed changes its density in different points of space

Nice Einstein said photon has no rest mass then how can supply of further energy to something having zero mass impart it apparent mass ... Photon actually has energy not mass as energy is never static but energy in photon is in the threshold dense packet called quantum whose density varies in different points of space while propagating through it at highest density it acquires property of matter and has finite mass and below this density value point it again reaches the threshold value where it has characteristics of energy ... Transion fallows the mass energy equalence Nice Einstein said photon has no rest mass then how can supply of further energy to something having zero mass impart it apparent mass ... Photon actually has energy not mass as energy is never static but energy in photon is in the threshold dense packet called quantum whose density varies in different points of space while propagating through it at highest density it acquires property of matter and has finite mass and below this density value point it again reaches the threshold value where it has characteristics of energy ... Transion fallows the mass energy equalence Nice Einstein said photon has no rest mass then how can supply of further energy to something having zero mass impart it apparent mass ... Photon actually has energy not mass as energy is never static but energy in photon is in the threshold dense packet called quantum whose density varies in different points of space while propagating through it at highest density it acquires property of matter and has finite mass and below this density value point it again reaches the threshold value where it has characteristics of energy ... Transion fallows the mass energy equalence Nice Einstein said photon has no rest mass then how can supply of further energy to something having zero mass impart it apparent mass ... Photon actually has energy not mass as energy is never static but energy in photon is in the threshold dense packet called quantum whose density varies in different points of space while propagating through it at highest density it acquires property of matter and has finite mass and below this density value point it again reaches the threshold value where it has characteristics of energy ... Transion fallows the mass energy equalence

Dear it is actually based on the apparent mass of the photon can't exist independly means apparent mass of any quantity is property of matter not of any thing that has zero mass

Eniestein while publishing his theory haven't considered that any quantity having rest mass zero doesn't exist in reality. Photon necessarily should have such energy density within each quantum that its density variation in different points of space imparts it two natures particle where density is highest and energy (wave) where density is lower than threshold value .hence transition between the two natures is so frequent that it can't be determines by any special equipment,Hence imparting it dual nature . Rest mass and relativistic mass of photon falls under controversy while the postulates that I intended are pondered well . concept is based on the rest mass of light is zero so any thing having zero mass is actually imaginary point that in reality doesn't exist so something that actually doesn't exist has nothing to do with apparent mass as it is extensive property . photon actually isn't simple particle as hypothesed by Einstein , it is packet of energy called quantum which has such a frequent transition between particle(matter) and energy (propagating in form of waves ) nature that it can't be noticed by any of our current equipment . debronglie's dual nature of matter Is actually consequence of free energy associated within every particle and the quantity of this free energy associated with particle is proportional to its mass and this free energy is responsible for imparting wave nature to the particle as energy propagates in form of waves and the mass associated with it is forced to fallow the similar fashion that energy traces out! Lambda =h /fv where f ~m equation implies free energy associated with any particle is proportional to its mass ,if value of mass of particle is greater free energy associated will be accordingly hence value of v for certain value of force will be lesser than in case of small particle here point to ponder is that free energy is also responsible for inertia of body . hence lambda = h/fv is modified version of dual nature of matter equation ! Photon occupies such a very small volume that transition between energy and matter nature cannot be noticed thus we say photon is massless particle becoz we never have encountered any photon in rest so far. photon in rest essentially would have mass zero as the mass is characteristic of matter photons energy while propagating through space transit between energy and particle due to the variation in its density at different points in space ! As matter is dense form of energy as implied by E=mc²

it is time to share the concepts that i had accumulated since few months past , related to the photo electric effect. which was explained by the Enistein nearly a century ago but i felt that his version is lacking little informational concept that would explain the phenonmenon more precisely so inshallah sooner i will share those concepts on this forum so that every one would be able to explore those concepts and i hope that my version will become more familiar to people which however is same as Enistein had mentioned regarding the concept, but i had just structured it in little distinct way which can be under stood by considering both wave as well as particle nature of light. unlike as Enestein had explained it by considering the wave nature solely.......even though my explaination regarding the concept is similar as that of Eneistein but explained more precisely .and also some new concepts have been added to his existing theory derived from the existing conepts. thanks from ovi issac