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My apologies -I had a feeling I was building a bridge too far but I am still very interested in the force messenger subject. I have heard both sides of the story regarding Casimir theory which I beleive reflect this subject. My impression is that one camp has a problem with physical linkage via vacuum fluctuations and claims Casimir effect can be explained in terms of thermodynamics which creates an imbalance, that induces an electrostatic attraction, that "pulls plates together" . The Casimir theory camp claims the wavelength restriction only allows smaller virtual particles to remain between the plates while the normal population outside "pushes the plates" together due to the pressure imbalance . I happen to lean toward the vacuum fluctuations but still try to choose the middle ground when ever possible and do have another thread regarding a possible 3rd option. As far as the messenger goes I was also following work by Beck and Mackey regarding gravitational activity of "virtual photons" below 2 THZ but when I try to look up the definition of virtual particles on wikipedia it implies that if a "virtual" particle lasts long enough to be measured, it isn't really a "virtual" particle! I guess I am really asking the same question... do vacuum fluctuations use virtual photons as messengers? mod note: post and responses moved from hijacked thread

Yes a gravitational difference is created by a Casimir cavity where the plates are braced apart. the cavity restricts vacuum fluctuations vs outside the cavity creating a boundary. Italian researchers Di Fiore et all in a 2002 paper "Vacuum fluctuation force on a rigid Casimir cavity in a gravitational field" proposed the possibility of verifying the equivalence principle for the zero-point energy of quantum electrodynamics, by evaluating the force, produced by vacuum fluctuations, acting on a rigid Casimir cavity in a weak gravitational field. Their calculations show a resulting force has opposite direction with respect to the gravitational acceleration, their calculations indicates an equivalent acceleration of only 10 E^-14 N. This appears inconsequential but the spatial confinement inside the cavity may allow heat energy to contribute to accelerating gas atoms on this vector. My personal thought is that this force could be the energy source behind excess heat when atomic hydrogen is diffused into rigid catalysts that have casimir geometry like Rayney nickel or possibly Pd - The geometry may resist high velocity formation of diatomic compounds.

"Due to zero point fluctuations a force is 'supplied' " The restriction of long wavelength fluctuations could be relativistic instead of the simple "up-conversion" of wavelengths suggested by present theory. I am suggesting the same longer wavelengths appear up-converted from our perspective outside the cavity due to space-time twisting on the time axis inside the cavity. see animation

I may be approaching that layer and wouldn't mind some expert help. I am trying to understand the relativity regarding cavity QED when a gas atom is diffused into the cavity. DiFiore et all proposed the cavity has equivalent acceleration opposite to the local gravitational field back in 2002 but only an inconsequential 10E-14. I beleive cavity confinement however allows heat energy to be redirected onto this vector. Assuming my conjecture or other factor does allow these atoms to reach relativistic veocity, My question is regarding the manner in which these "fast" atoms would manifest from our perspective - just how do these atoms deviate? Obviously linear spatial velocity in the cavity confinement is out, Can the temporal axis present itself as a normal spatial axis allowing the atom to escape confinement and "contract" away from our perspective due to temporal displacement while remaining spatially stationary? or is this an orbital velocity kind of thing like some of Bourgoins 2006 paper suggests? Am I simply proceeding from a bad assumption?

In a new blog http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/comment/reply/25072 I have found an argument for use of both K-G and Poincare equations in a 1996 paper "Cavity QED* " by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula which addresses this with the destruction of isotropy inside a cavity and resulting effect on invariance under transformations of the Poincare group. It leads me to suggest the math is correct but their interpretation is wrong in that the Bohr radius is never violated locally and solves from a relativistic perspective. Add to this the theory that space inside a Casimir cavity has equivalent acceleration ( or maybe "de-acceleration" would be more appropriate) which was first attributed to Di Fiore et all in a 2002 paper "Vacuum fluctuation force on a rigid Casimir cavity in a gravitational field". They proposed the possibility of verifying the equivalence principle for the zero-point energy of quantum electrodynamics, by evaluating the force, produced by vacuum fluctuations, acting on a rigid Casimir cavity in a weak gravitational field. Their calculations show a resulting force has opposite direction with respect to the gravitational acceleration, their calculations indicate an equivalent acceleration between the gravitational field "falling” outside the cavity relative to inside the cavity. This force of only 10 E^-14 N appears inconsequential but it is a constant acceleration which accumulates velocity in opposition to diatomic confinement common in Pd membranes and Casimir cavities. No effect on regular H2 but I propose it rips apart H2 trying to form from higher velocity relativistic H1. Best Regards Fran

I have emailed Ron for comment but I did notice early on he suppresses the time in equation (4) by use of a substitution. I am assuming his fractional values do not specify a time coordinate, or not necessarily the “same” time coordinate? My intuition is that his math solves for all possible solutions without specifying the environment which is why I cite the paper "Vacuum fluctuation force on a rigid Casimir cavity in a gravitational field" from Italian researchers Di fiore et all that establishes an equivalence boundary inside a cavity vs outside. Very weak and representing a depletion zone instead of concentration zone like a gravity well. The cavity varies the relativistic perspective of hydrogen inside Vs an external observer. I also received this criticism regarding Naudts work "You can use Klein-Gordon to describe a system of photons, but you unequivocally cannot use Klein-Gordon to describe the electron. It is why you must go the Dirac equation. The Dirac equation properly describes spin ½ particles in a potential. Once you do that all of the fractional quantum states magically disappear! " - I don't disagree with this but I think the restriction may not apply relativistically. Perhaps the electron appears like a spin 1 particle when displaced by 90 degrees and allows for K-G. I did modify my trig to reflect a perspective from 1N to 1/137N in either direction. Even for being speculative I should have realized Lorentz contraction is absolute change in distance in either direction. http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-lorentz-multiplier-quantum-states-24437.html

The theory that Casimir cavities represent an abrupt equivalence boundary is not new, In 2002 a paper "Vacuum fluctuation force on a rigid Casimir cavity in a gravitational field" by Italian researchers Enrico Calloni, Luciano Di Fiore, Giampiero Esposito, Leopoldo Milano, Luigi Rosa discusses the possibility of verifying the equivalence principle for the zero-point energy of quantum electrodynamics, by evaluating the force, produced by vacuum fluctuations, acting on a rigid Casimir cavity in a weak gravitational field. In 2005 a math paper by Jan Naudts contends that fractional quantum state argument against hydrino state overlooks relativistic solutions In 2007 Ronald Bourgoin published a paper that showed the general wave equation predicts exactly the 137 inverse principal quantum levels. animation and additional information I just assume N =1 to be 45 degree for flat space to share space time dimensions equally. velocity approaches C on spatial axis( x=volume), Time axis is suppressed (event horizon), velozity all in X axis with little or no Y component velocity approaches C on time axis (y= time), Volume axis is suppressed (Casimir cavity). velocity all in Y axis with little or no X component

Fractional states do not exist in 4D and the hydrino is “unphysical” but in the same way as the Twin Paradox from physics 101 and the results of time dilation and Lorentz contraction on chemistry inside the cavity are very real when the hydrogen exits the cavity. I am convinced that the hydrino only exists relativistically and the entire controversy to date has been semantics. Both sides are correct, In any case the validations now confirm the mechanism exists and therefore the theory becomes even more important from the perspective of IP and optimizing the effect. I think the Haisch – Moddel patent has the advantage here and the company should really be examining the funding issue as a priority. Mill’s use of a skeletal catalyst instead of “feed through” array makes the reaction much less likely to escape the cascade. If it can’t escape it must continue to oscillate between monatomic and molecular states until it combusts or destroys the parallel plate geometry. My “relative proposal” isn’t that far fetched if you consider the following: Randell Mills’ founder of Black Light Power claims a fractional quantum state of hydrogen he coins "hydrino" which is formed inside skeletal catalyst Rayney nickel and has up to 137 fractional quantum states. The hydrino is claimed to produce much more heat energy than chemistry can explain. This claim is still disputed by the mainstream but on August 12, 2009 Rowan University faculty and staff announced validation using their own materials and simplified method which promises to expedite replications. In 2005 a math paper by Jan Naudts contends that fractional quantum state argument against hydrino state overlooks relativistic solutions. This bolsters claim by Randell Mills that disassociated hydrogen diffused into skeletal catalyst can release excess heat. I will attempt to make the case that similar to the “Twin Paradox” in Physics 101. Hydrogen outside the cavity has equivalent motion relative to the shielded hydrogen inside the cavity. This results in hydrogen exiting the cavity older than hydrogen which did not diffuse through the cavity. Hydrogen inside the cavity performs many more reactions through time dilation and Lorentz contraction then could be performed outside the cavity for the time period the hydrogen was inside. In 2007 Ronald Bourgoin published a paper that showed the general wave equation predicts exactly the 137 inverse principal quantum levels claimed by Mills. His equations use a 4D coordinate system suggesting the orbital could appear to collapse spatially below the Bohr radius because the “displacement” to the nucleus is partially converted to the time axis. The fractional quantum radius only exists from our 3D perspective outside the cavity observing the hydrino inside. The Bourgoin solutions suggest Mills hydrino only exists relative to an observer outside the Casimir cavity. Inside the cavity hydrogen atoms are unaware the t coordinate of their (X, Y, Z, t) position has changed in the same way that the earth bound twin is unaware of his multiple second per second existence relative to the twin approaching an event horizon (C through equivalence). Only when the still young twin returns to earth or the now “old” hydrogen exits the cavity is the difference apparent. Christian Beck and Michael Mackey publish papers, "Measurability of vacuum fluctuations and dark energy" and "Electromagnetic dark energy" relating virtual photons with frequency less than 2 THz are more gravitationally active than those above. Their claims are presently only theoretical awaiting experimental evidence. My theory hinges heavily on their as yet unperformed experiments to prove slower virtual photons are more gravitationally active. This would establish my premise that the ratio of slow to fast virtual photons reflect changes in space time such as an event horizon compared to deep space. Thomas Prevenslik paper denying Casimir effect explains Casimir force instead through QED “up-conversion”, this method requires nature to up convert IR >> VUV per conservation of energy. If my relativistic theory is correct then all frequencies inside the cavity are up converted together through time dilation including the 2Thz virtual photons Beck proposes to be more gravitationally active. Similar to the Twin Paradox the entire spectrum inside the cavity “ages” at multiple seconds per second relative to outside the cavity. From our perspective this results in “relative” up conversion of all frequencies inside the cavity. I posit the ratio of virtual photons ( >2 THz) / ( <2 THz) decreases approaching an event horizon to reflect Beck’s theory that slower virtual photons are more gravitationally active. The “up-conversion” in a Casimir cavity if relativistic would up convert all frequencies including virtual photons from our perspective outside the cavity, but the increased ratio of fast to slow virtual photons is now in the opposite direction creating a gravity “Hill” or lack of gravitationally active virtual photons as opposed to a gravity “Well”. This effect would be Omni directional in normal matter and quickly average out but in Casimir plates is directional and sums to create very local differentials where the shielded areas can be concentrated between two plates. These gravitational hills then see the normal space outside the cavity as down hill from their perspective just as we see an event horizon. The stage is now set for equivalence without the astronomical distances or crushing gravity of an event horizon. Although flat space doesn’t have the resistance to time flow of an event horizon it does still have a certain default fraction thereof, the shielded hydrogen inside the cavity however only experiences a small fraction of this default value based on Casimir geometry resulting in equivalent acceleration between hydrogen inside the cavity vs. outside. This has the unlikely consequence of time dilation and Lorentz contraction occurring to hydrogen inside the cavity relative to outside the cavity. The correct choice of material and geometry (Rayney nickel) can then act as a membrane to preferentially scale only the monatomic gas (Mills and Moddel) into what appears from our perspective to be increasingly smaller geometry where molecular gas can not follow, Then if these fractional atoms form a fractional molecule they become trapped just like the molecular gas left behind at the entrance when the atoms started diffusing into the increasingly smaller geometry of the cavity walls. The difference is that these fractional molecules that don’t even perceive themselves as fractional are trapped inside the membrane and when diffused by gas law will have their molecular bond broken by the confinement restoring monatomic energy levels and allowing the atoms to change to the new fractional value before finding another fractional atom to recombine into a different fractional molecule and give off the freely acquired energy as a photon. The cycle then cascades until the gas escapes or the heat destroys the cavity.

A team at Cornell University has now filled in an important blank by pinpointing unique sites where the reactions take place on SWCNTs. The scientists showed that the reactions do not occur all along the tubes, but at the ends of the tubes or at defects along the tubes. I suggest this applies equally to all Casimir cavities in that catalytic action will only occur when the distance between the plates changes. A change in fractional quantum states of hydrogen is proposed by both Randell Mills from the perspective of catalysts and by Haisch -Moddel from the perspective of Casimir cavities. The lattice structures of metal catalysts and the cavity sizes of skeletal catalysts both appear to fit the geometry defining Casimir cavities so I have been proposing that a catalyst and Casimir cavity are just different concentrations of the same force and their property sets should be combined. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it IS a duck! Catalysts cause an increase in the number of reactions per unit time while Casimir cavities are posited to cause an atom to transform to fractional quantum states, although here Mills has already accomplished half the task by proposing a fractional state caused by his catalyst Rayney nickel. I propose that by reflection the catalytic ability to accelerate reactants be extended to Casimir cavities. I don't know for sure if this is even challenged and I may be simply stating the obvious but I would like to build on this without being accused of piling up multiple assumptions. To build on the above premise I assume a relativistic solution for the hydrino inspired by Jan Naudts paper (5 August 2005). "On the hydrino state of the relativistic hydrogen atom". The twin travelling near C would perceive the other twin and all physical properties back on earth as occurring at a rate of multiple seconds per second. Additionally Lorentz contraction causes the objects observed by the twin to appear smaller. Fractional quantum state hydrogen already meets these criteria of increased reaction rate and contraction. The argument then becomes whether a Casimir cavity can create equivalence where inside the cavity becomes a protected harbor that views outside the cavity just as we view an event horizon. An observer outside the cavity defines our 1 second per second reference frame to measure differences in "equivalent" acceleration rate between an event horizon or a casimir cavity. I am proposing the rate inside a Casimir cavity from our perspective becomes multiple seconds per second inverse to the Casimir restriction of longer wavelength vacuum fluctuations. This is referred to as "up conversion" by QED and causes the ratio of short to long vacuum fluctuations inside a Casimir cavity to increase as the distance between plates is reduced. By extension I would predict the ratio of short to long vacuum fluctuations approaching an event horizon to decrease. Like the twin approaching C we see matter inside the cavity occurring at multiple seconds per second because we are greatly accelerated by a default time rate (or ratio of vacuum flux) relative to the protected harbor inside the cavity. The difference in rate results in time dilation and Lorentz contraction. The hydrino remains stationary to an observer outside the cavity in XYZ coordinates but not time. the outside of the cavity has equivalent acceleration only a fraction of an event horizon but it still far exceeds the damped acceleration caused inside the cavity by Casimir plates. This creates a delta in acceleration through equivalence with the unlikely property that the observer and the effect can be spatially local and stationary to each other separated by only Casimir plates as opposed to huge gravity wells needed for an event horizon. I am proposing that the change in ratio of short to long vacuum fluctuations which defines a Casimir cavity is evidence for this difference in equivalent acceleration and that we accept time dilation and contraction inside a Casimir exclusion field just like we accept it in an event horizon. The Mills theory, Haisch-Moddel patent and my own theory are all quite similar in requiring monatomic gas into a Rigid cavity and then diverge in their explanation of the excess heat. My theory for excess heat diverges when monatomic gas contracts to fractional quantum states and starts to permeate deeper into smaller geometry cavities than the molecular gas. The smaller local geometry further contracts the atom allowing even deeper penetration, It contracts so much further than the molecular gas when an appropriate rigid cavity material is selected that I ignore the molecular gas except as a resivoir for disassociating atoms. Like a Pd membrane in reverse, a fractional state molecule that forms from these tiny atoms in these tiny cavities or lattices becomes confined, essentially trapped inside a membrane. Opposing forces that normally result in catalytic action can now be leveraged to produce heat. Heat and gas law provide motion to the fractional state molecule within the confines of the membrane which varies the Casimir force on the molecule. The froce exerted on the atoms to change fractional state is converted by the molecule to break the covalent bond which pushes the atoms out of confinement long enough to change fractional states before reforming a new fractional molecule, giving off a photon and becoming confined once again. This cycle continues until the atoms escape or the membrane /cavity melts down. Regards Fran

in June of 2007, Ronald Bourgoin, once a graduate student of Robert Carroll’s, published a paper that showed the general wave equation predicts exactly the 137 inverse principal quantum levels claimed by Mills. Inverse Quantum Mechanics of the Hydrogen Atom:

Alternate theory for hydrino based on Casimir cavity and relativistic hydrogen is less controversial than GUT of Dr Mills but remains only a theory unless Jan Naudts equation for 1 stable state of a relativistic hydrogen atom can be substituted into 2 body energy equations for molecules or compounds and proved stable. animation

An unusually exotic theory of sonoluminescence, which received much popular attention, is the Casimir energy theory suggested by noted physicist Julian Schwinger which focuses on long distance quantum radiative phenomenon associated not with atoms, but with fast-moving surfaces in the collapsing bubble. This was later dismissed in a paper by Claudia Eberlein because the velocity would have to approach the speed of light but bubble collapse vélocity is only about 100 m/s. If Schwinger had focused instead on the trapped gas atoms inside the bubble he might have come to the same conclusion as Jan Naudts 2005 paper regarding "hydrino state of relativistic hydrogen” which provided a plausible explanation for the controversial hydrino. Naudts theory is for a single atom and only 1 stable state but which I propose to extend to numerous stable states when bonding occurs between atoms in this relativistic state QED refers to as “up converted” inside a Casimir cavity. I am proposing that the hydrino state of relativistic hydrogen inside a Casimir cavity can only occur if vacuum fluctuations twist on the temporal axis appearing to an observer in our plane as getting faster and taking all matter diffused in the field such as the hydrogen atom along for the ride leading to the fractional quantum hydrino. This twisted temporal angle would simply reverse on exiting the cavity EXCEPT if the atoms happen to form a compound while “twisted”. The “twisted” compound would then be oversized for the temporal - spatial corridor when the compound tries to exit the cavity . The widening spatial gap causes an inversely proportional narrowing of the temporal width via retracting vacuum fluctuations but the compound lodges in the corridor while the retracting temporal boundary with the orbital bonds accumulate and soon break apart the compound. The atoms immediately reform compounds or molecules at a lesser orientation emitting light of slower and slower frequency as the cycle repeats in a cascade that drives the atoms back out of the cavity. This change in temporal orientation of vacuum fluctuations explains the odd spectrum of Black Light plasma and questions our measurement of time and frequency due to relativistic effects. This theory draws a common basis for solid Casimir cavities like Black Light and Jovion as well as dynamic cavities formed by shaping conductive bubbles to Casimir geometry through acoustics or diffusion through bulk shaping particles or catalytic electrodes associated with LENR, Cold Fusion and water fuel cells. Temporal science may be awakening based on what QED calls "upconverting" of vacuum fluctuations inside Casimir cavities. I propose the Casimir cavity is to an observer in our plane as our plane is to an observer in an event horizon with all the relativistic opportunities that implies and without the gravitational or cosmic penalties. All the anomalous heat readings of cold fusion experiments, Black Light Powers confirmation by Rowan University and recent patent by Jovion corporation can all be understood in terms of "upconverting" of vacuum fluctuations. Keep in mind that relative to other atoms in the same upconverted vacuum fluctuations there is no change and all would simply translate back to normal upon exiting the Casimir field EXCEPT if a compound forms while matter is in translated state. Things then get interesting regarding what can scale and the effects of bonding on this "temporal" translation. Like accepted relativistic itheory regarding slowing of time inside an event horizon relative to our plane the perspective from the Casimir cavity sees our plane in the same way. From our perspective in the "middle" we see the event horizon slowing matter caught in it's gravitational field and we see the Casimir cavity as accelerating matter caught between it's conductive plates in a venturi like manner. I see the time dimension as slow moving wide current in the event horizon least effected by matter cutting straight through our plane from future to past while the Casimir cavity is a narrow fast moving stream that briefly redirects time some degrees away from perpindicular allowing catalytic reactants to take a temporal detour accomplishing hours of work in what appears to be only minutes from our perspective. As spacing between Casimir plates formed by narrowing cavities in Rayney nickel gets smaller the vacuum fluctuations and therefore any matter diffused therough them twist on the time axis trading spatial parameters for temporal components but maintaining the same quadric volume. the translation is non radiative and energy remains at ground state ( -13.5 eV for hydrogen) but the atoms orbital from our perspective appears far smaller than ground state because the minimal approach is being observed on the time axis and only the portion of the twisted profile remaining in our plane is measured. from the time axis perspective the nucleus sits at the bottom of a microgravity well while the orbital circles higher in the well like a halo. when the atom translates to what Dr Mills callls a hydrino this temporal- gravitational displacement increases to maintain the ground state while the orbital diameter is free to close down far below the diameter we normally use as a measure of ground state allowing it to take on many new states with the energy now stored in different combinations of orbital diameters and temporal displacements between nucleus and orbital. The catch is that this remains a non radiative translation and unless a compound forms to lock the orbitals from simply translating back no energy will be harvested. If a molecule or compound does form it creates a semi stable compound and locks the distended micro gravity well at some length inversely proportional to the fractional quantum states of the hydrino. These dihydrinos now have distended gravity wells too temporally deep to fit in our plane and find the retracting vacuum fluctuations accumlating boundary conditions and breaking the orbital bonds of the molecule while it is wedged in the temporal-spatial corridor inside a Casimir cavity. These "organized" vacuum fluctuations accumulate and repeatedly break the compounds' bonds which immediately reform at a lesser and lesser orientation releasing energy in a cascading emission called Black Light plasma. I propose Casimir cavities or outcroppings are responsible for all catalytic action, that conductive electrolyte in cold fusion can form casimir geometry when separated by small numbers of gas atoms or shaping larger bubbles through bulk nano material or pulsing. Because the temporal doorway opens as the spatial doorway closes at these scales the possibility exists for atoms to enter one Casimir cavity and exit a nearby cavity entangling the two cavities and possibly creating a nano wormhole where they remain connected in time even when spatially displaced. I propose the plasma claimed by Black Light Power may be less important then the pre-plasma for its' linkage to vacuum fluctuations that I posit are responsible for breaking the bonds of compounds formed inside the Casimir field. If we keep the reactor just below the 200 C where this effect normally cascades we may be able to push the Casimir cavities with trapped gas atoms through coils as an ionized powder to provide reactionless drive with those vacuum fluctuations starting to accumulate on the offending bonds of these quasi interdimensional compounds. Although everything was simply relativistic until the atoms formed bonds inside the Casimir field, once those orbitals locked their orientation into a bond they started resisting changes in translation between the distance of the walls inside the cavity - these "stuck" orientations take us away from relativistic changes and now we have interdimensional travel with matter at 2 different angles relative to time residing in the same frame. It is this property that allows Black Light to use the hydrogen atom as a bucket to harvest heat from "organized vacuum flux trying to push the offending orbitals back into alignment and which also may allow us to build a reactionless drive. I predict that gas compounds on the threshold of emitting plasma will measure frictional linkage to vacuum fluctuations which affect inertia and if circulated in the vertical axis with a short return path would modify apparent weight. V/R Fran

Great Answer... so then to some small but still measurable degree spacecraft orbiting the sun should be experiencing slightly slower time.

look at the place where time anomallies occur. obvious is the event horizon where you can store incurable patients until science finds a cure and then there is my theory that a Casiir cavity is to us what we are to the event horizon. If I am correct that reactants in a catalytic reaction are actually putting in all the hours we think we are saving in our plane and that catalytic engine is built on Casimir geometry (just look up the geometry of cavity size in skeletal catalysts in wikipedia). My point is you now have a relative perspective from the temporal axis -the conductive plates of Casimir cavities (catalysts) form venturi like streams in the narrow gap between them allowing the stream orientation from future to past through our plane to be "less perpindicular" than our plane which in turn is also less perpindicular to the stream than an event horizon where time flows nearly straight through (perpindicular bisect) our plane from future to past. time appears slower here from our perspective because in contrast to a narrow stream in a Casimir cavity the event horizon is a wide slow stream where it interacts far less with matter reducing the temporal yard stick we use in our plane. -thats my 3 cents worth Fran

just a thought - I know a lot of electrolysis for HHO use a pulsed DC for their work - and often refer to it improperly as AC( the current alternating between on and off instead of positive and negative)

After re-reading carefully I will not take offense to Kyrisch but need to take his advice re posting less. The different forums did help me to informally organize and convey some validity of my theory to a senior engineer who today informed me has been promised an IR&D shop order to investigate further. that said I guess the idea no longer belongs to me and will have to refrain from further comment. A good time to get back to my HHO experiments and see if I can create some plasma in the meantime! V/R Fran

Kyrisch, you are correct and I will vacate this forum -sorry if HV forming temporal lenses or casimir cavities as catalysts make you so angry you need to lash out but I don't stay where I am not welcome. V/R Francis X Roarty 51 Lumberton NJ senior R&D technician Lockheed Martin maritime systems

my use of the term shearing against the time axis is to convey that our plane - time frame has much relative motion both macro and micro scale and that where our thin mesh of a time frame intersects with the sea of time it seperates future and past - like a net with spinning mesh sinking in a cosmic fish tank virtual particles from the future are sheared? squeezed? through our plank width temporal dimension seperating future from past-Casimir plates resist this time stream and the gap between plates is accelerated in a venturi like manner. then we have what we consider "normal" flow in our plane, and finally we have an event horizon where the mesh appears wide open for virtual particles to flow from future to past so the current is divided down and objects caught in it appear to slow down from our perspective. - My previous equation was enough to put me on the right track seeking a ratio to normal vs an actual value -the Rydberg atom properties and equations appear to be where I was headed but I need to sit back and study awhile. thanks Fran

I am positing that casimir force is the engine that drives catalysts and that these cavities create relativistic space time in a venturri like manner taking reactants on a temporal detour relative to our slow vector. I want to set up an equation that models the product of volume and time inside the field remaining semi-constant : reducing plate width the volume gets smaller but due to the field the vacuum fluctuations rotate "wide" on the time axis expanding any matter contained in the field further into the time dimension than "normal" such that the volume-time product will remain some percentage of constant depending on how close the plates become and what merit of quality the Casimir force derives from the plate material (how conductive). the concept has precedent in that event horizons allow space-time low resistance and make matter appear slow from our perspective this is simply the converse. Anyway that is the best I can explain it and below is my first swing at putting it into an equation -not very pretty! I have given up trying to put a number on time and realize it is simpler to settle for a time factor of 1for normal and solve time inside the cavity in terms of normal. volume1 * time factor = volume 2 * unknown time * (merit*1/width^2)

Sorry for confusing everyone, I guess to cut to the chase I am asking for someone to point me in the right direction regarding time frames or 4D space time. Is there a temporal duration assigned to a single time frame such as this one we call the "present" such that I could say I have quadric volume of so many cubic meter-picoseconds. My theory posits that Casimir effect allows us to proportionally translate space time width between plates say dx with width of the time dimension dt. this means reactants in these fields are sent on a temporal detour appearing to get more done - accelerated from our perspective. In order to get a numerical handle or even start to form an equation I need a reference value for the "normal" duration or width of an "instant" in time - we do live in a 4d world constantly intersecting with or shearing against the time axis but how wide is that axis? the uncertainty principle makes me suspect it is on the plank scale since even atomic orbitals appear to be knee deep in the time stream. this would mean all matter is contained inside a plank scale wide sandwich between the future and the past. Did I make a bad assumption?

OK this is crazy but interesting - I recall Tesla lore regarding HV fields solidifying ether to use the term originally applied - We also have tons of unsubstantiated UFO "sightings" never physical proof allowing more plausability to a "window" VS actual physical visitation. to get back to Tesla HV fields many sightings are near transmission lines or HV experiments like the space tether which would provide 1 HV field while I assume the UFO itself would provide the other in order to drive its plasma. Could two distant HV fields be oriented and deformed by "solidification" to form a temporal lens system just like gravitational bodies can be used to form a gravitational lens? I can just feel my credability oozing away>

I have been researching different aspects of the casimir effect regarding how a permanent exclusion field created by 2 closely spaced plates braced apart effects space-time. I backed into this from initially trying to reverse engineer what is really going on with Black Light Power and their claimed plasma. I am proposing catalysts are powered by Casimir force and leaving the suspected anomalies of gas atoms difused through said field for another thread or you can visit original blog. I am trying to get my arms around just what really happens to space-time inside a permanent Casimir cavity. The pix attached to my previous shows same waveform twisted away from our plane appears faster or from our perspective longer wavelength flux are restricted from a casimir field. Do we say c changes in a relativistic frame or time gets larger? I don't have a problem with converting time to distance using c and could ballpark a proporitional ratio based on keeping the quadric volume constant but that assumes I know the time duration or physical length of the time axis in our plane (width of a single time frame)... Fran

I considered that but I don't know how far in time either except that I may be able to assume quadric volume is mostly unchanged - the larger virtual particles cant fit inside the field created by narrow spaced conductive plates but this field softens the temporal walls allowing the particles to twist away from normal space expanding the time axis - Even this however would require me to know the "standard" width of the time dimension in a time frame :_(

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I have been considering Casimir plates braced apart to form a field that "upconverts" longer wavelength vacuum flucuations. these plates are incarnated as pouous cavities in skeletal catalysts. Casimir forces increase dramatically below 10 nm so I am considering 2 nm as a good candidate for the "throat" area between the opening into the exclusion field and the strongest area of the field where the plates are closest. The upconversion means that space-time redistributes wider on the temporal axis to accomodate the squeeze caused by conductive plates in our plane. How do I assign a distance to something I have always considered a unit of time?