yahya515

you can do the experiment you wish, the results are the same. you said in your own words"Theories need to have mathematics to support them" , so they are theories in the first place , whether they are supported by math or not.

You're right, you're completely neural .

when the mass rotates first , it twists the (mono-filament) string, the string is not free , it will resist the rotation after a while, however it will start to rotate again after you release the potential energy from the string by hand.

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Of course there are other factors. The rotation speed of earth around the sun (about 29 km/s) is more than the speed of the moon around the earth (about 1 km/s).But I did not mention all factors because I do not want to involve in mathematical derivations. instead of math I provide experiments. you can refer to my experiment on my first topic (a new discovery: new source of renewable energy).

place on a rotating table a mass hung by a string, so that the whole system is rotating, you will see the rotation of the mass clearly, at the same direction which I mentioned, you can verify that by changing the direction of the rotation of the table or any reference frame, however the spinning of the table should be at moderate speed so that the hanging mass will not lie horizontally . for the effect of the earth rotation around its axis on the mass ,that will not affect the experiment a lot , the rotation of the earth around its axis gives tiny rotation for the mass hung on a string , it is tiny because the earth radius is relatively huge, compared to the rotating table . because they change direction of motion continuously. I did not provide mathematics in my theory, that is why I have been directed to speculations ! and that is why you reading my post.

if the object starts from a non-zero velocity, we should calculate the change in velocity , (Delta)V. For universe creation? yes.

"the internal rotation speed is inversely proportional to the radius of the circular motion" if the object starts from rest. and that for my experiment of simple pendulum rotates around its vertical axis, starting from rest.

Venus rotates very slowly around its axis, it completes on rotation in 243 earth days, and has linear velocity at its surface of about 1.8 meters per second, comparing to earth linear rotation velocity at its surface 465 m/s, so it probably was spinning backwards at very high speed , may be one revolution every one hour , when it has been put in its orbit around the sun it slowed down to 1.8 m/s, as I said it is not torque which causes planets to rotate around their axis, it is not a force which will change speed continuously , it changes it at an instant and keeps it rotates at constant speed forever, in other words it changed Venus backwards rotation from high speed to low speed and kept it rotating at slow speed forever, it is not pretty important the direction for Venus. for Uranus in order not to rotate at all it should be exactly at 90 degrees angle, and that practically will never happen , believe me. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth " , Genesis , chapter 1 , verse 1

The theory of rotation within rotation: "Every object moving in a circular path, or even a curve , will possess internal motion, particularly regular one (rotation), the law of directions is simple, counterclockwise circular path will give counterclockwise rotation, clockwise circular path will give clockwise rotation, for objects on the surface of earth, north the equator will give counterclockwise rotation, south the equator will give clockwise rotation. The rotation of earth around its axis is due to such effect, and direction law applies for the earth and the other planets and the moons. This rotation has constant speed, an object starts at rest and continues at constant speed, the internal rotation speed is inversely proportional to the radius of the circular motion (straight path will give no rotation)" you can refer to the discussion about this theory on my first topic (discovery : new source of renewable energy)

Thanks arc you are a real scientist.

The speed of the rotation decreased by not using multi-filament string. As I mentioned earlier , I can not violate your point of view theoretically, by tests it seems some kind of extra potential energy is stored in a multi-filament string and appears when it lifts weight, the bigger mass the bigger potential energy. for swivels, they will not work, because the friction of the swivels will hamper the rotation, and I do not think the force increases by the increament in the mass , I do not think it is a force at all, rotation of earth ( around its axis and also around the sun) gives tiny rotation for objects on earth, at constant speed , exatly as rotation of earth around the sun gives the earth rotation around its axis at constant speed(24 hours for one reveloution), however bigger masses will give great kinetic energy, but I am curious about such phenomenon applied to the solar system planets and moons. I do not care about sources of energy , I care about science.

I used thin copper wire , about 12 inches , it turned only 60 degrees angle , then I used a 1 m thin copper wire , it rotated for about 4 seconds, then I used thin rubber it rotated for 7 seconds or more, but for thin copper wire or thin rubber there is a problem which is I will not be able to put big masses for the rotation to appear clearly, then I took a nylon string I divided it into three threads , I took one of the threads I divided it into tiny threads , it barely lift a 100- hundered- gram weight ,it gave the same result. After that I took a chain and I hang a relative big mass on it , it gave the same result. I am not sure if I will be able to video these experiments, since I have a bad quality camera, a person will not be able to distinguish whether I am using string, wire, rubber , or chain. in what direction it rotated?

torsion pendulum has nothing to do with what I am trying to explain, first of all the energy I obtain from my device is weak , and needs large masses and clocks do not use large masses, second a classical clock does not need my (source of renewable energy ) it operates using a simple pendulum! the torsion penedulum is similar to the simple pendulum , they both oscillate, however my device has nothing to do with oscillations , especially when using what (arc) suggested (swivels).

Thank you for your information, and I know that USA people fish for fun I see that in movies! These( swivels) are really what I need in order to keep the system moving continuously. Are they expensive?

the string will first get longer a little bit by the weight of the mass, then it will begin to get shorter while the mass rotates,this means rotation will lift the mass above that why the weight of the mass will increase the potential of the string (the horizontal potential which I mentioned for Sensei , which finally force the mass to stop ) this means for big masses the string will only twist a little bit , even if the torque force (which causes rotation) increases by the increament of the mass . you can try this ,take a small mass , hang it with a string , spin it round and round , you will see that the string became very very short and if you do this further it will cut. but I do not understand how the string will become long by the spinning , there is no reason for that. I hope my English is understandable. Your point of view is very clever, however I can not violate it theoretically ,on the other hand , here in Sudan people do not fish by themself , rather than in the US , even though we are a poor country, so I do not know what a fishing line looks like , but I took a string and divided it into three threads, I took one of them , it looked a little wavy , however since it is not rubber material , no potential energy will be stored in it anyhow(vertically), and by saying some stored potential energy will appear only if the thread lift weight , this is not true at all .

It does not slow down with time , the mass starts rotating counterclockwise then when there is enough potential on the string it stops, to turn around clockwise , continuing like this until the potential on the string is opppsite in direction and equal to the torque force, at that time it stops rotating . I apologize , I do not understand one of your words , perhaps because I am not a native speaker, but again I apologize. wounding the rope in the opposite direction is meaningless , this is free energy comes from a source of renewable energy , like sunshine , doing any extra work will be useless. we can not use a straight dynamo , a dynamo will give little electric energy , and thousands of dyanmoes will cause the electric energy to disappear, so using (a tool) to lift little water ( 1cc) and combine thousands of such tools will produce flood of water to generate much electricity, this is the best choise. you are right , the energy you get from the system will probably equal the energy used setting the mass on the rope each time, however long strings will cause the mass to rotate for longer periods, to generate more energy. I am looking forward to seeing such device being developed, especially using modern technology.

Earth rotation , either clockwise south the equator or counterclockwise north the equator, theoretically it would stop if it was on the equator.

Every object hanging on a string (like the simple pendulum) will rotate either clockwise or counterclockwise according to the place where it is ,the force which makes this rotation appears in foucault's pendulum , and the force is proportional to the mass of the object, we can benefit from this force by a device I call (mechanical cell) , in which a 4 kilogram mass hanging can lift 1 cc of water to 10 cm height, if we use thousands of such device we can make flood of water to generate electricity. so why any hanging object rotates around its vertical axis ? the planet earth rotates around its axis because it rotates around the sun, the satellite rotates around itself because it rotates around the earth , and the same for the moon and the planets and any object on the surface of the earth rotates with the planet earth around its axis , we are not moving in a straight line. this link on youtube is a video for my experiment :