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for Christianity, there is no doubt that Jesus declared the message of love , for all people , even your enemies , you must not resist an evil person, if someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. I wonder why he started saying the right cheek, instead of the left cheek, perhaps, a person will hit you in your right cheek with his left hand, and his left hand is weak (for most people), then turn to him the other one , the right cheek, he will hit you with his right hand which is strong, Jesus was trying to say, if someone hits you weakly by his left hand , enable him o hit you strongly , with his right hand, wow , great teachings, anyway, Jesus never asked his followers to kill unbelievers , he himself never hits a person , only when he saw Jews making business , beside the temple, he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area , but did he hit one by his whip, of course not , what a perfect man! for Judaism, Jews have not been commanded in the Torah to fight, anywhere , except in the holy land! most Jews believe that they will not return to the holy land by themselves, only when they are being led by the messiah, and we all agree with that , if the messiah came ,Christians or Muslims will do what he says , if he says the Jewish people must return to their holy land we all, Christians and Muslims will leave the holy land for them to enter freely! because both Muslims and Christians believe in the messiah, the Christ, there is no problem here , so we are still friends. On the other hand, The Jewish people subjected a lot of persecution among history, heir temple has been destroyed many times, I am sure that the Jews understand the meaning of persecution , that what made them the most peaceful people in the world. for Islam, Islam gave both Christians and Jews , a special rank, Islam called them "the people of book" , since they had books ( Gospel, or Torah) before Islam, Islam allows Muslims to marry any daughter of a christian or a Jew , so will I kill my wife because she is unbeliever ! of course not , will I kill my son because his mother is unbeliever , surely not, again will I kill my wife's cousin because he is unbeliever , no, in addition , Muslims are allowed to eat with the people of the book( Christians and Jews) . (it is mentioned in the Quran, to eat their food, particularly meat, not to eat with them, but if you do not eat with them you should buy their food , making business is more dangerous )so by this exact command from Islam , Islam commands Muslims to become friends with the people of the book and eat with them. The reason ,why there is hatred between Jews, Christians and Muslims, is political issues, a true religious Jew , a true religious christian , a true religious Muslim , all these are friends.

I do not want to discuss about religious people, a religion differs from a religion, a religious person differs from another religious person, what I wan to discuss about is general facts about the relation between religion and science, what I mentioned is a true historical event between the early church and early scientific observation. I do not want to involve in personal beliefs.

in this exact post of mine, this is what I want to discuss! The original proposal of this thread is :- Rate Topic physics with mathematics, philosophy , engineering and religion . Started by yahya515, Yesterday, 06:13 AM Which includes philosophy and religion as well as mathematics and engineering! Why does everybody get so spooked at the hint of something higher than human . The Greeks philosophers , put me right if I am wrong michel123456 , They stood on the acropolis and looked up and thought the Gods ,Zeus, Mercury and others were in control . Men of far older civilizations looked to the stars and heavens and thought of higher beings. Why do so many scientists run for cover nowerdays when one even hints at the idea of something greater than humans , when big bangs , to black holes to quasars to atomic energies enough to make you quiver exist out there and they are ALL so much bigger and more powerfull than humans . Why do scientists have to cling like limpets to a rock to the idea of " There is NOTHING Out there. .? Mike thanks mike.

you started a big fight!

There is a difference here ,you fought against religion, and you won, we will fight against misunderstanding of religion and we will win.

you are right ,there is kind of flexibility in science, theories can be changed and you believe in what you think is true, not in what you should believe in.

I understand your point of view, so I would like to hear from someone else, so that I will benefit from a variety number of people,OK?

I do not think you are talking about what I am talking about, so our discussion will be meaningless, and you repeat ideas , like "mathematics is a powerful tool", I understand all these , so you are just running in circles.

In Newton's laws , if there are two objects contacting with each other, and a force affects on one of them they will undergo the same acceleration , if they are moving in a straight path , however in circular motion an object is divided into atoms, the front group of atoms for an object rotating in a circular path , that the part of the mass which is ahead the direction of rotating , will change direction of motion first than the back part , it will be pulled by the centripetal force first, the back part will just follow the front back because they are one entity, this will enable the centripetal force to affect on part of the mass to give it torque, the front one, this torque is towards the center of the circular path , because of the direction of the torque, clockwise circular path will give clockwise rotation.

since early ages ,people began to develop pure ideas about things like , life, death, gods starting from the famous Greek philosophers, who developed their philosophical ideas through ages. when physics get involved in life, beginning with Aristotle ideas, he used the same shape to develop his (theories), without any kind of mathematics, but he failed . and that is for two reasons: first, pure ideas are very difficult to develop. second , he did not do a lot of experiments, he thought in science as pure knowledge . modern physics , combines mathematics, engineering, philosophy, and a little bit of religion! for , mathematics it is clear , when Sir Isaac Newton , invented calculus to describe continuously changing phenomena , like planets motion. engineering , appears in the structure of the atom, although the structure of an atom is most basic concept in both physics and chemistry , but it was build by engineering concepts! philosophy, is behind all theories , when a scientist has a theory he (decorates ) it with a little bit of philosophy, Albert Einstein declares, I have a theory , I call it relativity, in my theory nothing can go faster than the speed of light, and I add some philosophy, if something moved faster than light speed it would go beyond time! and the big bang theory itself is philosophy. religion , appears as ( contradiction) , everything religion declares is wrong, science is the the opposite of religion, religion says, the universe has been created by a creator, science says, no , the universe existed after a big bang, people are sons and daughters of a one man and a one woman, science says , no , the human being transformed from a monkey. I think this hatred from science to religion appeared at church early ages, when the church declares that the earth is at the center of the universe everything moves around it including the sun ! and of course one person went to death for not believing in such ideas.

do you mean it should rotate towards both directions , switching from counterclockwise to clockwise , and vice versa and doing this forever? If you mean so, this will not happen, the earth rotation affect towards a single direction , and not both directions, either counterclockwise north the equator or clockwise south the equator, it starts at rest and rotates counterclockwise ( In the US, I guess), it switches direction , because it possessed kinetic energy and created potential energy in the string this potential will enable it to rotate clockwise , during it rotates in the opposite direction(clockwise), the earth rotation effect is still affecting on it , so it will not go further as it should be, doing this will cause it to loose its kinetic energy, until it stops. when it is finally at rest , there will be the rotation effect , which is counterclockwise affecting continuously , even though it is at rest , and also there is a little twisting which gives the mass a force towards clockwise direction, these two are equal in value and are opposite in directions , the earth rotational effect and the potential energy so the mass will finally stops. To ensure of the existing of the potential twisting energy in the string, untie the string and you will see it rotating , the string itself not the mass.

Thank you for being with me all this time, I love all of you. and I would like to apologize for swansont for bearing with my pure ideas and hypothesis , and I would like to thank arc for helping me in studying a new phenomenon , and also Sensei for being in in my side .you are great people and some day I will save you from your sins.

I am Yahya Christ I am Yahya Christ , the holy spirit, I came to save men from their sins, and guide them to believe in one God, and to believe in the truth .

if I told ,you would you believe?

The Bible talks about false prophets and Antichrists in general and not about a particular one , a famous one , have you ever heard about an Antichrist more famous than Mohammed, he came with a wide variety of ideas , beginning with that the Bible was corrupted , Jesus is not son of God, God is not a father for believers , Jesus' teachings are false , Jesus was not killed by Jews , he escaped from death, he changed the holy land to Mekka, instead of Jerusalem, if the Bible is not corrupted , Mohammed certainly should be mentioned in it, Mohammed must be part of Christianity whether as a prophet or as a bad person, if not this means someone somehow deleted his name from the Bible, the old or the new Testament . I did not say that. you have the right to judge me through discussion.

I apologize for everyone in this forum for my rudeness , mathematics is the language of science especially the science of physics, beside verbal language , which describes pure ideas.But I believe in my ideas.

They are both prophets , there is no doubt that each one mentioned the other , whether the one came first or the one came second, they are both being taught by God and God knows everything , the question is: if Mohammed is a false prophet, why didn't Jesus speak about a great false prophet, who will come after him and billions of people will believe in him, so Jesus should warn his followers of such false prophet, so that they will not be deceived and loose their way? So Mohammed should be mentioned in the Gospels anyway, whether he is a false prophet or a true prophet, the fact he has not been mentioned in the Gospels , is because his name was deleted , because he is a true prophet. Amen

Luke chapter 22: "22 The son of man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him." comment: I wonder ,did Jesus go to death by his will and wish , if not why he did not escape from death by asking God, and if he went to death by his will why he says (woe ) to one of his disciples (Judah) ! do you think he meant John the Baptist , why two great prophets came at the same time , Jesus said about John the Baptist "he is greater than a prophet",each one has his own disciples , and also the disciples of John were jealous from the disciples of Jesus. when the Jews asked him "why John's disciples fast a lot and your disciples does not", Moses and Aron were one entity, they had the same goal.why John and Jesus were not.there is no a prophet called john the Baptist , Jesus and John(Yahya, in Quran he was mentioned as Yahya) are two names for the same person, The Christ.

This is the real Gospel of John, do you think Jesus will not speak about the last prophet Mohammed? and here Mohammed spoke about Jesus Christ "those Messengers we excel some above the others, among them is he to whom GOD spoke (Moses), and some he raised in rank .And we gave Jesus the son of Mary the clear signs, supported him with the holy spirit." The Quran chapter 2 , verse 253, that what Mohammed said about Jesus and Moses , he said they are the best prophets , Moses God spoke with him, Jesus was supported with the holy spirit, if Mohammed was a false prophet he would say he is the best one. my comments are between parenthesizes. John chapter 3: " 8 the wind blows wherever it pleases. you hear its sound, but you can not tell where it comes from or where it is going . So it is with everyone bornof the spirit" comment: A person can know the direction of the wind easily ,especially if the wind is strong, however I have never heard a wind I hear trees moving but I do not hear the wind itself , this is impossible air movement has not clear sound to be heard. Luke chapter 5: " 30 but the pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples " why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and'sinners'? Jesus answered them ," it is not the healthy who need a doctor , but the sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous ,bu sinners to repentance." this is the truth , Jesus came as a Savior, he came to save . Amen.

Gospel of john: "1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God . 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 through him all things were made (he is the holy spirit, and everything was made by the spirit); without him nothing was made that has been made . 4 in him was life( you can kill a person's body, but you can not kill his spirit, in him was spirit, in him was life) , and that life was the light of men. 5 the light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. 6 there came a man who was sent from God; his name was Mohammed. 7 he came as a witness (he was not the messiah, he came as a witness for the messiah ) to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe . 8 he himself was not the light (the light is the messiah , he was not the messiah); he came only as a witness to the light ( since the messiah will return back after him) 9 the true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10 he was in the world, and though the world was made through him ( because he is the holy spirit), the world did not recognize him. 11 he came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become slaves for God. 13 born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or husband's will but born of God ( they will be born again by the spirit to live forever). 14 the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. 15 Mohammed testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying ,"this was he of whom I said , 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'" ( the messiah was Jesus before Mohammed , and returned back after Mohammed ) . 16 from the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another . for the law was given through Moses ; grace and truth came through Jesus (Yahya) Christ. 18 no one has ever seen God. 19 Now this was Mohammed's testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was( they came from Jerusalem to Mekka ). 20 He did not fail to confess , but confessed freely, "I am not the Christ" 21 they asked him," Then who are you? are you Elijah ?" He said ," I am not." "Are you the Prophet ?" He answered , "No" ( this does not mean Mohammed is not a prophet, they asked him about a particular prophet, they were waiting for) 22 finally they said , "who are you ? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us (The Jews) . What do you say about yourself?" 23 Mohammed replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, " I am the voice (I am a prophet) of one calling in the desert( the desert of Mekka), 'Make straight the way for the Lord ( the Lord is God and not Jesus). 16 and I will ask God, and he will give you another Counselor ( another Messiah , another Christ) to be with you forever ( he will never die, he will live forever , because he is Yahya( in Arabic means to live) He lives , and you will live with him). 26 but the Counselor, the holy spirit, who God will sent in my name (The Christ) , will teach you all things , and will remind you of everything I have said to you " And this what I remind you , not everything in the Gospels is true : john chapter 2 : " 3 when the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "they have no more wine." 4 "Dear woman ( Jesus the prophet says to his mother , dear woman , instead of saying dear mother!) , why do you involve me ? ( he is afraid to do miracles and be a prophet!) , Jesus replied . "my time has not come yet " ( I am not a prophet yet , I can not do miracles now, but he lied , since he instantly did a miracle , he changed water to wine!) , his mother said to the servants , " do whatever he tells you " ( his mother did not believe him, he said his time had not come yet , but she did not believe him , she thought he was a liar!). and more............ I will continue , by God willing . peace be upon you.

I am considering by discussion, however you do not want to give me the opportunity, I am not Albert Einstein to present a completely perfect theory .

So, what is the problem , I would like to discuss if my (hypothesis or theory) is true If I change it to the hypothesis of rotation within rotation, will I be able to have discussion.

I do not understand your English (ديما مازن)

if you believe in one, why you (as a scientist) , do experiments to tell me the other factors. I want it to mean less.