Use of time dilation by advanced alien civilization

[Nerexis]

Hello, it's my first post here

I wanna discuss an idea that has come to my mind, when I was thinking about how an advanced civilization (> type 2 in Kardashev scale), could develop.

So if an civilization, wants to win competition in advancement of technology with other civilizations, then one way would be to use time dilation effect for advantage. There are at least 2-3 ways to use this effect.

Method 1 - use time dilation to make your civilization time run faster, compared to other civilizations, to increase speed of advancement in technology compared to other civilizations.
There are few ways to make time run faster (if I'm not wrong).
First would be to slow down speed of whole star system compared to other objects, like galaxy or other civilization star.
Second way is to sit in place where gravity is lower, for example in some empty space, far away from objects with big gravity, like big concentrations of mass: stars/galaxies.

Method 2 - become observer - use time dilation, using your spaceship to make time around spaceship to be in future to steal/learn/use your or alien civilization advancement in technology for yourself (for example to not die).
How to do that? Get fast spaceship and increase your speed near to speed of light.
However this might have some disadvantage, because you might not understand new technology from future after trip (or die).

Method 3 - offensive method - use time dilation to make other civilizations clocks run slower than your civilization for advantage.
How? Easy: increase their star system speed or place it near object with high gravity, like black hole.

Above ideas would be good to find advanced alien civilization(s).
For example we could spot stars, (with exoplanets) which speed is increasing or decreasing, (orbit changes).
Other idea is to find very fast or slow stars, or maybe stars far away from big mass objects, sitting in empty space (or even planets without stars). Another would be to find victims of Method 3 - stars near big mass objects - or stars which are changing orbits to sit near black holes. There might even wars between civilizations using Method 3. Actually super-high advanced civilization of type 3 in Kardashev scale would manipulate galaxies for advantage, so such big manipulation of speed of such big objects should be visible as hell, but we might not even notice.

What do you think guys about my idea? If you have more ideas, regarding this topic please add them here.
Would be nice if you have an idea how to spot them - I can write a program to analyze some data too.
Also I have no idea how to change your or other stars orbit etc. It's abstract.

If this topic is interesting, I can post some more info from conversation I had with other man from another forum.

Kinds regards

Edited July 20, 2016 by Nerexis

[swansont]

Hello, it's my first post here

 

I wanna discuss an idea that has come to my mind, when I was thinking about how an advanced civilization (> type 2 in Kardashev scale), could develop.

 

So if an civilization, wants to win competition in advancement of technology with other civilizations, then one way would be to use time dilation effect for advantage. There are at least 2-3 ways to use this effect.

 

Method 1 - use time dilation to make your civilization time run faster, compared to other civilizations, to increase speed of advancement in technology compared to other civilizations.

There are few ways to make time run faster (if I'm not wrong).

First would be to slow down speed of whole star system compared to other objects, like galaxy or other civilization star.

Second way is to sit in place where gravity is lower, for example in some empty space, far away from objects with big gravity, like big concentrations of mass: stars/galaxies.

 

 

 

 

Slowing down your motion would have disastrous effects on your orbit, and you aren't likely to be moving all that fast. Same with gravity — you aren't that deep in a well to begin with.

 

We're moving 30 km/sec around the sun. That's a part in 10^4 of c, so the time dilation factor from that is 5 x 10^-9. You'd gain less than a second per year compared to earth by being at rest with respect to the sun.

[Nerexis]

Yes, method 1 doesn't apply much to our solar system, because it sits in good time-dilation orbit around our galaxy center.
Anyway, other civilizations might not be that lucky, because their solar system would have orbit close to our galaxy center black hole, so it's speed would be higher and time dilation factor stronger.
Also remember that our human time scales of time might not apply in same way to other civilizations.
Also remember that our evolution took billions of year, and time dilation factor close to galaxy center might be significant to slow down evolution there, and because of it, complex/intelligent life might not arise there.

Still it would be cool to check for artificial orbit changes of stars over time in our galaxy, to check if somebody is manipulating orbits of stars.
Does anybody know, where can I find archive orbital data of stars? (I'm noob in astronomy data)

[swansont]

Yes, method 1 doesn't apply much to our solar system, because it sits in good time-dilation orbit around our galaxy center.

Anyway, other civilizations might not be that lucky, because their solar system would have orbit close to our galaxy center black hole, so it's speed would be higher and time dilation factor stronger.

Also remember that our human time scales of time might not apply in same way to other civilizations.

Also remember that our evolution took billions of year, and time dilation factor close to galaxy center might be significant to slow down evolution there, and because of it, complex/intelligent life might not arise there.

 

Still it would be cool to check for artificial orbit changes of stars over time in our galaxy, to check if somebody is manipulating orbits of stars.

Does anybody know, where can I find archive orbital data of stars? (I'm noob in astronomy data)

 

 

 

Instead of a hand-wave, you could run the numbers.

 

Use the galactic rotation curve for M33, for example.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/M33_rotation_curve_HI.gif

 

or NGC 3198

http://bustard.phys.nd.edu/Phys171/lectures/ngc3198_rc_big.gif

 

Getting closer in doesn't increase the orbital speed, it decreases it. But the differences are only of order a factor of 2 or 3, and less than an order of magnitude larger than the number I used. The time dilation effect is tiny, even for 150 km/sec — that gets you to a whole second per year!