The Use of Radio Carbon C14 Dating-Method For Homo Neanderthalensis Valid?

[S0PH1ST3S]

Hello. I stumbled over this bit of information and was hoping for a little cross-checking. I have no opinion on what he is implying, I simply am interested in whether there are errors in the method since I have been excited about the discovery of a Homo Neanderthalensis burial site with flowers.

 

-Here is the Link to the Site

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_watchers06.htm

 

I also posted the main points without the rhetoric below.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Scientists accept they have accurately calculated the age of Neanderthal bones by using this Radio Carbon C14 method.

 

-C14 is a type of carbon formed in the upper atmosphere when cosmic radiation particles bombard it. It forms radioactive carbon dioxide and from the atmosphere in minute quantities through photosynthesis passes into plants and animals and so is absorbed by all living things along the food chain. Natural carbon C12 is also present in all living things but in much greater quantity. The ratio of C12 to its minute cousin C14 is constant in all living things (today one C14 atom to one billion C12 atoms).

-Scientists have accepted the assumption that C14 has been forming in the atmosphere constantly and continually for millions of years and that its build up which they calculate would have taken 30,000 years has reached its constant saturation point (the radiocarbon reservoir) and that as much C14 is now decaying as is being formed.

Once a plant or animal dies it stops taking in C14 and it starts to decay at the above rate while C12 stays the same.

-* C14 absorbed into any living thing during its life time starts to decay once it dies.

* Half its amount of C14 decays away to nitrogen gas in about 5,700 years.

* Half of the remaining half decays away in a further 5,700 years and so on until immeasurably small.

-Calibrations given to the C14 Clock:

• 5,700yrs after death 50% of C14 remains = 150 c14 counts per second

• after 11,400yrs 25% of C14 remains = 75 C14 counts per second

• after 17,100yrs 12.5% of C14 remains = 37.5 C14 counts per sec

• after 22.800yrs 6.25% of C14 remains = 18.7 C14 counts per sec

• after 28,500yrs 3.12% of C14 remains = 9.8 C14 counts per sec

• after 34,200yrs 1.56% of C14 remains = 4.9 C14 counts per sec

-Libby’s theory

he found to his surprise a considerable discrepancy in his measurements; that apparently, radiocarbon was being created in the atmosphere somewhere around 25% faster than it was becoming extinct. Since this result to him was inexplicable he put it down to experimental error.

-Richard Longenfelter found,

’There is strong indication, despite the large errors that the present natural production rate exceeds the natural decay rate by as much as 25%’.

-Other researchers have since confirmed this finding including Hans Suess, of the University of Southern California in the Journal of Geophysical Research and V R Switzer writing in Science.

-Professor Melvin Cook Professor of Metallurgy at Utah University reviewed the data of Suess and Lingenfelter and reached the conclusion that the present rate of formation of carbon 14 is 18.4 atoms per gram per minute and the rate of decay 13.3 atoms per gram per minute, a ratio indicating that formation exceeds decay by some 38 per cent.

-Cook went one step further by taking the latest measured figures on radiocarbon formation and decay. He calculated them back to the point at which there would have been zero radiocarbon. In so doing he is in effect using the radiocarbon technique to date the Earth’s own atmosphere. His resulting calculations showed that the atmosphere is only around 10,000 years old!

-Many researchers have shown that the C14 in the atmosphere is ’still’ increasing at between 25 to 38% more than is at present decaying.

When we calculate back the equation to zero point of C14 in the atmosphere using this increasing 25-38% present ’greater build up of decay ratio’ in the atmosphere we find we get a starting date for the C14 build up process in the atmosphere by cosmic ray bombardment of only c10,000 years ago. This would have the effect of drastically reducing the amount of C14 that was present in the atmosphere and thereby reduce the amount absorbed by living organisms during their life times. When reading these reduced amounts it would create an artificially, much older dying date when using the present wrongly calibrated C14 clock setting.

Scientists calculate Neanderthal disappeared some 32,500 years ago according to present dating by C14, when applying the erroneous assumption that C14 saturation has already been achieved. To arrive at their date of 32,500 years ago the C14 reading in the Neanderthal bones would have been c 2% of original ratio, achieved by a C14 clock count reading of c 6 counts per second.

If we now rework this date using the short 10,000 year period of C14 build up and the 2% of original ratio ( 6, counts per second ) used in the evolutionists original calculation. Then a Neanderthal who had died say 4,400 years ago would have absorbed C14 from the atmosphere that had only been building up for 5,600 years. Then at death the Neanderthal would only have absorbed 18.67% of the scientists anticipated full 100% saturation amount of C14.

If absorption into the atmosphere started 10,000 years ago then 4,400 years ago absorption would have been in operation for 5,600 years, if saturation takes 30,000 years then 5,600 years would be 18.67% of 30,000 years. This would give a false calculation for the year of his death showing erroneously that he had been dead for 14,286 years at the time he died.

It is ridiculous to think that the atmosphere of the Earth is only 10,000 years old as the science evidence suggests. Agreed, but the truth can often more incredible than fiction. There is now new evidence that we shall be considering that although the atmosphere is old the absorption of C14 has possibly only been going on for the last 4,400 years; that the C14 penetration and absorption into our atmosphere was inhibited prior to this time and that when the protection ended the Earth’s climate also changed radically.

Edited July 30, 2014 by S0PH1ST3S

[swansont]

Post-nuclear-age radiocarbon has the complication of us messing with production. Prior to that, we have ways of calibrating the measurements, such as tree ring measurements (dendrochronology). So dates a few 10k years ago should be fairly solid.

 

Funny that the linked site doesn't mention this. Calibration takes care of any fluctuation in production rate that might have occurred.

 

Also, the lack of citations and phrases like "many scientists believe" are warning signs. The technical errors, too, such as the implication the C-14 only starts decaying when something dies.