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  1. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise It is relevant because the intention was to reduce the political power of slave states.
  2. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    The anti-slavery faction felt they lost in the 3/5 compromise because they wanted slaves to count for zero. Any counting of slaves gave slave holding states more power in the federal government. If slaves had counted for zero, slavery could have easily been contained within the existing slave holding states and then later been abolished through legislation. The 3/5 compromise did in fact limit the power of slave holding states, just not enough.
  3. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Something about the link I provided that you don't understand?
  4. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Don't speak for me. The 3/5 of a white person rule was an anti-slavery position. To count slaves as full persons would have given the south more political power by giving them a higher population. Anti-slavery proponents didn't want slaves to be counted at all. There argument was that if a slave is simply property like a horse why should they be counted? Had they gotten there way, slavery would have likely ended sooner. The 3/5 of a white person rule as a compromise that anti-slavery proponents felt they lost. https://americanvision.org/3918/the-original-constitution-and-the-three-fifths-myth/
  5. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Yes I admit it. I Oh the southern strategy myth. Let's look at the the outcome of the 1968 election. 1968 Election Results Candidate Party Electoral Votes Popular Votes ✓ Richard M. Nixon Republican 301 31,710,470 Hubert H. Humphrey Democratic 191 30,898,055 George C. Wallace American Independent 46 9,906,473 looks like the racists voted for the former Democratic Governor of Alabama. Not Nixon. Just in case you didn't see the origin of the white supremacy movement in the US. Let me show you again.
  6. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    To piss off Democrats. But you still miss their votes don't you.
  7. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    If a company polluted a river 150 years ago and that company is still in existence, is that company responsible to clean it up? If that pollution killed people, is the company responsible for compensating the decedents of those who died even today? If you want to know why there is race hatred in the United States, look no further than the Democratic party. Now I know that upsets you, but that is an historical fact.
  8. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Show me where I wrote the above bolded text. That campaign slogan is part of the history of the Democratic Party. It belongs to the Democratic Party. It's where they come from. I wouldn't belong to a political party that was responsible for the holocaust, and I wouldn't belong to a political party that was responsible for that campaign slogan and the brutality that such a sentiment generated in this country for the following 100 years resulting in oppression, murder, and lynching. Why would anyone join a political party with such a history?
  9. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    All political parties are defined by their history. That is how you know what they stand for. Why would anyone join a political party without such an understanding. i'm just wondering. If a Nazi told said to you that you cant associate modern Nazi's with the holocaust because it happened more than 60 years ago, would you agree? Somehow you don't think the Democratic party owns this 1868 presidential campaign slogan. I have read on Science Forums many times liberals, progressives, and Democrats co-opting all Republicans prior to JFK. Knowing the history of the Democratic party one can hardly blame them. But now you're claiming Nixon for your team. You folks make me laugh.
  10. Al Franken's funniest moment

    No, it wan't him it was " crowded and chaotic situations" that made people feel bad. Al's says he is a warm person who hugs people and only a few sensitive type females felt bad. Any apology that does not include a genuine admission of guilt is not a real apology. In fact such a non apology is simply a further insult. Also Al Franken does remember forcing his tongue down Leeann Tweeden throat either. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/franken-apology/index.html So no, Al Franken hasn't taken responsibility for any thing.
  11. Al Franken's funniest moment

    Has he taken full responsibility for it? Here is his apology. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/al-franken-issues-apology-after-groping-accusations-surface-w512619 Does that really sound like an acknowledgement of guilt or taking responsibility? He's suggesting that his groping was simply a misunderstanding caused by "crowded and chaotic situations." It's also a "I'm sorry that you were offended" and not a "I'm sorry that I groped you" apology. He then goes on to say that during "crowded and chaotic" situations he needs to be more careful and sensitive." Sounds like a denial of intent to me.
  12. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Those some who feel that way can vote for politicians in a few years to set a different course for the EPA. Yes the current party can claim credit for the past actions of their party. They are also responsible for the failing of their pasts party.
  13. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Not agreeing with the Democratic party agenda for the EPA is not the same as destroying the EPA. Also, it is not irrelevant who created the EPA. The creator of the EPA deserves enormous credit for our current clean water and air.
  14. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    I didn't ask you to mention Nixon. I asked you who created the EPA. Had you said Richard Nixon, I would have went away. With regard to the middle ground, you find that by acknowledging the accomplishments of your political opponents. Richard Nixon became president in 1968. That was not 60 years ago. 60 years past is not ancient history. Either is 150 years for that matter. The things a political party did 150, 60, or 40 years ago have lasting impact. They own their history and are responsible for it. Quit pretending otherwise.
  15. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    i"m happy to give Kennedy credit for proposing tax cuts and understanding how taxes are a drag on economic growth. Republicans agree with him and will be happy to give him credit for tax cuts today.