JaKiri Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 The only way I can see it being a 'message' to the world is if it's sensationalised. Hence the comments about tabloids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Yeah I understand what you're saying, I just don't really agree. 1) Because no matter how ti is used, it's going to be known that they're using the data. The data itself shouldn't be anything special - just the fact it's originating frmo the nazis' experiments are going to create the media zoo, which will get it to people's minds and would likely create what I was saying, and 2) Even if its only in the science community, it's enough to be given SOME sort of legitimization. and 3) If it doesnt contain any "sensational" data anywys, then its my opinion that this data can be aquired in other - more ethical - ways. ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 By the way, as I've written before in my last few posts in this thread, I don't deny the fact that my opinion might be based largely on the fact that this is a very close-to-heart subject. However, we *are* talkin about ethical matters here, so the fact I am close to it only gives me an extra "ethical" view, I think. I don't know if you've read my first post in this thread but you might want to take a look, it's explaining my INITIAL thoughts about the subject... might shed some light on why I am saying what I .. am saying. The first post is here: http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=28444#post28444 ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Agree to disagree, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 I believe that's what I just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 People will have suffered in vain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 They already have suffered in vain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 At least let it count for something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 On the contrary. DON"T. That's my point. If you do - then it was just. Even by a LITTLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Okay, so we can use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Not in my opinion. I think I've already answered that.. I don't see any new point you're making here. You should perhaps read my other posts, for if I explain my view here in this one it would look PRECISELY the same. ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Okay, okay. Then I agree with whoever agrees with me, k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 So it would hurt the people that had to go through with it for us to use the research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 no no no It would hurt the CAUSE. And yes, it would also hurt the people and their families, but my point is that I think it would hurt the entire cause. If you use the information (which, I already said you don't HAVE TO it's better to get it again ANYWAYS it's not unique data) you give *even by little* legitimization for the entire process of TAKING those tests and results and such. So yes, it would hurt the people. Not the RESEARCH. The DATA from that NAZIs. ~moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Oh so it would make it a little more okay to do that kind of thing, I can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Okay. READ. MY. POSTS. And I seriously lost you man. I am saying "It would be wrong in my opinion" and yu say "ah. So it would be right". You have frustrated me officially. ~one frustrated moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 No, if scietist used the research then other scientist would think it was okay to do that kinda research. Now I'm confused. But I have skimed your posts, and I think I understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I lost you too now. I don't understand your question ... :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 -Demosthenes- said in post # :No, if scietist used the research then other scientist would think it was okay to do that kinda research. Now I'm confused. But I have skimed your posts, and I think I understand them. This has gone down the crazy hole. Skimmed? Please, the subject demands more effort than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I agree I just noticed I fell into it myself... anyone has a rope? ;p ~moo (That was a suggestion to close the topic if no one understood it... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 We've been over this a thousand times.. all we do in the past posts is repeating things and arguing. This is just not going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Yes, and now we know how you have 725 posts when you joined in January 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Sry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooeypoo Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 A) As always, you're twisting things. B) You just did. And I will be the one who stops. This is seriously not going anywhere. Too bad, the subject is really interresting. Or was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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