i said perpetual IF nothing else ever interacted with it.

 

mooeypoo is correct as well

ah so you ignored the tidal effects on the ground then? the ground moves a good few meters every day.

 

We are not talking about tidal effects, we are talking about two objects being acted upon by gravity, with their center points being a distance away from each other.

So you are using some silly idea that you cooked up to contest reality?

 

And, actually, we are talking about atoms and electrons.

a tidal effect is an object being acted upon by gravity.

 

now, are you going to keep spouting your overly simplistic and wrong veiw of physics or are you going to take the time to learn something real? because really, your not being helpful here at all.

oh for **** sake traveller. resistance is not force, relativity is to do with velocities and very basic mechanical equations DO NOT ALWAYS APPLY.

 

stop yapping on about crap you think is right but has absolutely no basis in reality.

 

from what i have seen you have only the most tenuous of grasps on newtonian mechanics and absolutely no grasp of even the more basic parts of relativity, quantum mechanics or pretty much anything else.

 

time to shut the hell up and learn something.

 

Though, if you are asked in college, what are the forces acting on, lets say a rocket, one of the forces are given as resistance.

specifically, air friction.

 

traveller uses some unspecified resistance that is somehow required for all forces to manifest itself. not exactly the same as air resistance as discussed in rocket science.

specifically, air friction.

 

traveller uses some unspecified resistance that is somehow required for all forces to manifest itself. not exactly the same as air resistance as discussed in rocket science.

 

 

Resistance to the motion. It could be any type of resistance or "inertial force."

 

So you are using some silly idea that you cooked up to contest reality?

 

And, actually, we are talking about atoms and electrons.

 

Not to contest the reality, but to describe it accurately.

so you mean friction?

 

you do know that can cause stuff to accelerate as well? not only that, but that it doesn't exist in certain scenarios. and also that it is caused by the geometry of the objects rubbing together and interacting via electromagnetic repulsion?

so you mean friction?

 

you do know that can cause stuff to accelerate as well? not only that, but that it doesn't exist in certain scenarios. and also that it is caused by the geometry of the objects rubbing together and interacting via electromagnetic repulsion?

 

How much work is being done?

context?

context?

 

What is the force and distance?

seriously, give me something to work with here,

 

force and distance OF WHAT?

Not to contest the reality, but to describe it accurately.

 

You say electrons spiral into the atomic nucleus.

 

They don't.

 

Your theory fails.

seriously, give me something to work with here,

 

force and distance OF WHAT?

 

The force of a proton, the force of an electron, and the force of a neutron?

 

The distance from the proton to the electron.

You should know that it is change in distance. Since the distance doesn't change, no work is done, regardless of the force.

You say electrons spiral into the atomic nucleus.

 

They don't.

 

Your theory fails.

 

No, I'm saying just the opposite, that the electron gets further from the nucleus.

in what situation? its not a fixed value you know.

 

and the force is distance dependant and it depends what the force is acting on.

No, I'm saying just the opposite, that the electron gets further from the nucleus.

 

They don't.

 

Your theory still fails.

They don't.

 

Your theory still fails.

 

They do, otherwise perpetual motion would be possible.

so where is the energy coming from to move them away? and why do they always fall back down to the origional level after they have been excited by a photon such as in a laser?

They do, otherwise perpetual motion would be possible.

 

They don't, otherwise chemical bonds would cease to exist.

 

I exist, therefore your theory fails.

This whole discussion on electron orbitals fails because it ignores quantum mechanics!

You lot bicker more than actual conversation.

You lot bicker more than actual conversation.

 

I'm just finding an excuse to avoid doing my calc homework

You should know that it is change in distance. Since the distance doesn't change, no work is done, regardless of the force.

 

That's what I said, and no work means no power, right?