Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 How many of you people believe chiropractors actually can cure diseases? I don't! Reading Material(Click Here!) Ok, Sayo, I changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 How exactly is that "proof to the contrary"? Did you even bother to read their mission statement? To provide comprehensive information about chiropractic history, theories, and current practices. To encourage and support the use of science-based practices by chiropractors. To identify and oppose the use of unscientific practices by chiropractors. To warn the public about inappropriate chiropractic care. To help people seeking appropriate chiropractic care to locate it. To pinpoint the risks involved in pursuing a chiropractic career. Stop bandying the phrase "proof to the contrary" around like a toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 How many of the articles did you read? Practically ALL of them disprove chiropractors, or show the risk, or how insurance won't pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Cap'n Refsmmat said in post # :How many of the articles did you read? Practically ALL of them disprove chiropractors, or show the risk, or how insurance won't pay for it. Oh they prove it do they? Is that your medical opinion? There's a risk associated with any surgery. Does that make surgery quackery too? OMG my insurance broker won't cover me for blasting myself with radiation to kill the bacteria on my skin. That must mean it won't work!!! * Note that I am not claiming chiropractic works, just that your evidence is crap. ** Not crap as in nonsense, but as in badly presented and selected because it supports one side, rather than impartial representation of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 You didn't read anything but the mission statement, did you? I'm not saying risk or insurance disproves it! The other parts disprove it!! Good grief!! Oh yes, and whoever modified the poll, that option is true anyway, unless you are in the government or something. Take it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 The site is run by Quackwatch, and the National Council Against Health Fraud. Don't you think that if they had proof positive that chiropractic was utterly ineffective, the site would be called "no more chiropractors" instead of "the reluctant sceptic's guide to getting the best of it"? The majority of the material I have looked at there repeatedly states that the site is intended to raise awareness of the high percentage of chiropractors engaged in dubious practices, which is commentary on the academic and regulatory shortcomings of the profession, and not the actual practice itself. Can you say "bad data sample"? You haven't earned the right to decry it as false. You have no "proof" that it has no effects. You haven't done any studies, research, experimentation or sampling. You have no results, hypothesis, or conclusions. All you've done is decided to take a side, slapped a web site down and said "there we go chaps, find some stuff in there that makes my opinion look scientific, then agree with me in this poll". Now that is quackery. Furthermore, since your poll question indicates specifically that you want peoples' opinions and not any sort of actual evidence, you need to give an out clause that acknowledges the scope of opinion alone can't sufficiently address the issue. So option 4 stays. "You didn't read anything..." Irrelevant. My issue is with your approach, not the material. You might as well be saying "I read OJ's testimony and he said he didn't do it, so I think he didn't do it. I'm going to make a poll now, and get other people to read it and vote." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Good grief. All I wanted to mean, is that it is a good site to look. I did not mean that is was proof! Let me edit it! And, no, that option should not be there. Opinion won't change anything. So unless you reworded it, it should go. Let's not debate it here. DISCUSS CHIROPRACTORS! that's what this thread is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Well, as you can see two people have voted "duh! no" without offering any reasoning, which is what happens when the first post is biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 erm... daft question here, but what exactly does a "chiropractor" do? even if allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 They manipulate the spine (and therefore associated nervous system elements) in a way that supposedly alleviates disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Cap'n Refsmmat said in post # :How many of you people believe chiropractors actually can cure diseases? I don't! Chiropractors perform a function that enables millions of people to carry out there lives without crippling back pain. It's an essencial service. Instead of trusting randomhate.org why not just ask someone you know, who has back problems, how a chiropractor can/does keep them mobile. They don't offer magic cures, they just help people. There are always good and bad examples of that. Trust me, when you need one later in life you'll be very glad they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Some chiropractors go farther than back pain. They claim to cure many different diseases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I could be wrong, but I think Fafalone has considered becoming a chiropractor as a career after medical school. To be brutally honest, I think a fully qualified doctor is probably the best place to start when looking to cure disease. The fact that chiropractors concentrate on the spine, well goodness, doesn’t that makes a medical specialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 22, 2004 Author Share Posted February 22, 2004 See, chiropractors (some of them) claim to cure things like ear infections. That is what I doubt, that manipulating the spine will help cure an infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I thought that was Orthopedic surgeons that did that with a neurologists permission? I could be wrong however? but I`ve had similar exams and work done that used these two types of medical technicians and I never once remeber a chiropractor being mentioned???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 22, 2004 Author Share Posted February 22, 2004 No, chiropractors believe that they can cure things like ear infections by manipulating the spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I think the key work you are looking for is 'indirectly'. You would be amazed just how little you know about physiology and homeostasis. Chiropractors don't claim to cure disease directly. Your just reading bitterhatred.info and reading it as fact. This is the theory behind the 'cure' you say is being claimed:- 1) Damaged vertebrae impair the nervous system, 2) Impared nervous system means lowered defenses and immune response 3) This contibutes to disease Simple theory so far, no big lies yet. All makes sense, and everyone agrees. Now here's the 'cure'. Pay attention. In order to ensure the nervous system has the best chance at fighting the disease, chiropractors align the vertebrae, which in turn alleviates the strain on the nervous system. Now, think carefully. What is the problem with that logic? Is there any? I don't see anything wrong at all, personally. It's all super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I thought it worked from the top down alon the spine, hence if you break your neck and live you stand a good chance of being paralysed from that point downwards, or a break in the lower spine may leave you unable to walk but your arms should be ok. how does it work UPwards? I can see how pain in legs or arms can be helped with this treatment sure, trapped nerves in the spine or pinch`s making pain in the limb assosciated with the nerve affected. but upwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 UK ppl: The phone-in thing on Radio 2 this afternoon is about homeopathy, osteopathy and chiropractic. It's on until 14.00, when that goon Steve Wright takes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Cheerz, I`ll have a listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 They're also talking about chewing gum for some reason... it's looking like they might save the chiropractic calls until tomorrow. (LOL, one guy just phoned in to say he now reports chewing-gum-spitters to the police. I bet he eventually gets done for wasting police time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Ooooh they're talking about it now! They have some sort of victim or expert or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 there`s alot of anecdotal evidence for sure, the one about the girl with high blood pressure sounds interesting. maybe it was just a soothing calming effect that lowered it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 That's the problem with phone-ins. It's purely annecdotal (except last week when a professor of whatever it was phoned in to tell everyone they were plain wrong, which was fun). That coma story wasn't really the best advert for osteopathy, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 it was going well untill the punchline I`ve been to Phsio and acupuncture, and the acupuncture worked the best for the pain, I could hardly beleive it! I had to laugh at the one needle though, it goes in the top of your head, I looked like a damn TeleTubby ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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