Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Whuh? Don't be sorry, explain your theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 If the universe hasn't always existed, then what was here before it did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Who cares? If the things we are studying are defined and controlled by the laws of physics that exist in this universe, then it doesn't matter what was here before it. I want to know about the reasoning for humans being the only logical intelligent form, because it sounds like it could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 If there was nothing, which I just thought of, then maybe a higher power created the universe using thought. Now we can shape it using assumtions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 oh humans being the only inteligent form! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Well, first the animals with the most ability to learn would be mamals, so I assume that only a mammal can have rational thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 If there's a higher power floating about, you don't really have "nothing". But assuming we aren't counting the higher power as "something", we're still left with the question of 'where did it come from?' (Hence the whole "let's work with what we've got" approach that deals only with the observable, testable universe around us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Second are the hands. I do belveve in small evolution, just not goo to people. When humans could use their hands they could use the environment better. The once who were the smartest, that could use their hands the best) would live and reprodece until we were smarter as a race. But the same race. I think that only mammals with two arms that can manipulate the environment can have inteligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Maybe the higher power thought it into existance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 There's no evidence for a higher power to start with, so it's a little pointless us speculating on how such an entity might come about. We don't even know what physical rules - if any - existed before the universe, and if we did it's unlikely they still apply. So pre-universe stuff is probably going to be of no help to your theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 What do you think about humans being the only possible inteligent life form, and the hands part of my theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Considering the number of mammalian species that have hands, and their heritage, it's unlikely to be the only factor. A question: Since your theory requires hands in order for a mammal species to achieve our level of sophistication, would that mean dolphins have reached an upper limit of intelligence for their species? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 No other animal completely uses their hands for what we do. They walk and climb with them. It made us slower, so inteligence compensated. Also the higher need for balance, only having two legs, would produce some brain enhancment of some kind. I still stick by that having hands to manipulate the environment made us smarter. Dolphins--they don't need to be smarter, I think it more likely that they would evolve speed or stregnth, because they don't need intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 No other animal completely uses their hands for what we do because they are not adapted to do what we do. Your proposition was that "When humans could use their hands they could use the environment better", as an explanation of why human-like animals would be the only intelligent ones. So if this is true, and hands play such an important role, why are other primates not as intelligent as humans? That's the major obstacle your theory needs to get around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Because they use them for other things and don't need to be smart to survive. The smart ones live and reproduce just as often and probably only slightly more often than the rest. They need other things more than they need Intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Why are (were?) we so different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 We happened, possible be random mutation, got up on two legs and used our for limbs for something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Much like, say, the rest of the primates do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 They don't need to be smart to survive? If we didn't have all this technology, we could live like doofuses and not have a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 "They don't need to be smart to survive?" If that's a reply to me, I have to wonder where the logic has gone from this discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 We would die. Most other animals are stronger and faster than us. Most carniviors would rip us apart if we were only as smart as they were. So only the smart ones could survive. We are so phisically weak that we need intellingence. But this all contradicts the existence of a soul, because it means that we only got smart, that we are just a smart animal. So I don't know if I belive this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 No, it's to EinsteinTheory. I wonder if Einstein would approve of EinsteinTheory's ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Clearly we did not die out before we got intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 hopelfully we aren't dead right now. But I am out of Ideas! As of this moment anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheetah Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 We got weaker while our intelligence got bigger. Not sure why though, maybe intelligent individuals got to mate more often or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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