budcamp Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 Have you looked into an oven and seen your cake boiling? also cakes bake at about 325 f. That is nowhere near three times boiling temp. Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Funny... When I do them it's at 450! Over 2 times! I say Sayo was close enough, he still has a point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 budcamp said in post # :Have you looked into an oven and seen your cake boiling? also cakes bake at about 325 f. That is nowhere near three times boiling temp. Bud Why would the whole cake boil? It's not important how hot the oven gets, only that we know it significantly exceeds the boiling point of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Yes, the different ingredients in cake have different boiling points. And the solids aren't a liquid yet, so the whole cake would not boil. Only the tiny bits of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 All I can say is you guys must sure eat some strange cakes! If the water is all mixed into the batter and then boils, what is happening to the batter at that time? Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Sayonara³ said in post # :Why would the whole cake boil? Also, what makes a lugubrious cake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 The batter WON'T boil unless it's dissolved in the water, and even then it will change the boiling point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 I think this cake bit has gone on ad absurdum. Do you guys have any ideas on cosmology, or is baking bad cakes your specialty. Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I rather like my cakes, thank you. We can talk about cosmology, it's just right now we have proved you wrong and so I find nothing to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I thought we were talking about water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Whaever. Either way, this conversation is DEAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Cap'n Refsmmat You use the word proof rather loosely! Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 budcamp said in post # :Cap'n Refsmmat You use the word proof rather loosely! Bud Well, radicaledward's presented the current thinking of science, it's you who have the burden of proof. Get on it, bring mathematics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 You could argue he uses the word "we" loosely j/k Cap'n. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I know I can talk cosmology! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 What I have done MrL_JaKiri is to show a way this theory can be proved or disproved. That is not going to be done on this site and it is not going to be done by amateurs. It needs a computer way beyond the capacity of mine to correlate the data now available. It may also need additional observations to establish if the horizon is actually there. I post on these sites to see if there are any obvious errors before I submit it to professional review. Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Sayonara³ said in post # :You should try posting it on http://www.physicspost.com and see what sort of response you get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 I will, thanks. Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 It's quite a good site; users can read your articles and rate/comment as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I'd hate to see what they think of it... I'd like a link to the thread he posts it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Even if it's not well received, chances are it just needs tweaking. Not that I'm an expert on astronomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 Cap'n Refsmmat You said “I know I can talk cosmology!” Well lets see what you think of these questions I asked Radical Edward. How fast is space expanding? Why is nothing blue shifted beyond a billion light years distant? Are other local groups also contracting? At what distance does a given mass stop the effects of the expansion of Space relative to that mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcamp Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 Sayonara³ As to water. If you take a bag of concrete, add five gallons of water and mix it, in one hour it will be a block of rock, and no water in sight. The water became part of a chemical reaction. If the water in the cake boiled, the entire oven would have been filled with steam! Try it. Experimenting is good! Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 budcamp said in post # :Ok Edward, lets see what you think about a few things. Then we can go on from there. How fast is space expanding? v = H0 D Why is nothing blue shifted beyond a billion light years distant? because the expansion > local velocities. Are other local groups also contracting? yes. At what distance does gravity stop affecting the expansion of the universe? never. inverse square law though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 budcamp said in post # :Sayonara³ As to water. If you take a bag of concrete, add five gallons of water and mix it, in one hour it will be a block of rock, and no water in sight. The water became part of a chemical reaction. True, but nobody I know makes a cake out of concrete If you mix the ingredients and leave them in a cake tin on the work surface, will you end up with a cake? No. The reaction only occurs because you heat the mixture to temperatures in excess of the boiling point of water. If all the ingredients reacted and made a cake before heating, there would be no need to invest energy in the reaction, would there? [edit] Actually it occurs that concrete and water have an exothermic reaction, whereas baking a cake is endothermic. They aren't really comparable. [/edit] If the water in the cake boiled, the entire oven would have been filled with steam! Try it. Experimenting is good! Bud Not necessarily. You're proposing there that all the water turns to steam, when in fact that has not been claimed. What has been claimed is that the water boils, which it most certainly does. Some of it does indeed turn into steam, and escapes into the oven. I don't need to experiment with this; I can simply recall all the occasions where I have checked on the progress of a cake, loaf or similar in the oven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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