Predict the Future

[Wetard89]

I posted the same thing in the debate forum, perhaps it should have really went here, I'm not sure but tell me your thoughts on the following...thoughts...lol, Can any of this be true?

 

What if the past, present, and future were all happening at the same time? What if the subconscious and conscious mind were separated not only in the thought but also time perception? Would it be possible to know your history from beginning to end but not be able to access it?

If time was occurring at the past, present, and future, it would be possible to think at all three levels. Ones subconscious state of mind never really perceives time since everything is happening at once and it is the only part of ones brain that can view time in all three levels. The way humans see time is in a conscious state from beginning to end in sequential order, one event to the next. In this state, one can remember events of the past and understand events as they occur but time to the conscious mind is going in order and therefore places an imaginary line between the past, present, and future.

A line, however, does not exist if the past, present, and future are all transpiring at the same instance. The subconscious mind is in this state with no boundaries, and is not restrained to only observe time in sequential order from start to finish. It’s a higher level of thinking but one can not to communicate the subconscious with the conscious mind, or at least not effectively. If one could concoct a way to communicate the two minds, would it be possible to comprehend the future?

 

-Shane

[bascule]

What if the past, present, and future were all happening at the same time?

 

That's a contradiction in terms. Past, present, and future define causal order. If you disregard causal order, the concepts of past, present, and future become irrelevant.

 

What if the subconscious and conscious mind were separated not only in the thought but also time perception?

 

I believe they're both manifestations of causal, material processes.

 

Would it be possible to know your history from beginning to end but not be able to access it?

 

I believe the accumulation of knowledge is manifested by the strengths of various synaptic connections and memory peptides, both of which rely on causal systems to accumulate/have meaningful value to the brain as a whole.

 

If time was occurring at the past, present, and future, it would be possible to think at all three levels.

 

Thought is a causal process. Without time it is irrelevant.

 

Ones subconscious state of mind never really perceives time

 

I think the subconscious merely registers information, so yes, that's technically correct in that the subconscious doesn't "perceive" anything.

 

since everything is happening at once and it is the only part of ones brain that can view time in all three levels.

 

Brains could not operate without causality.

 

The way humans see time is in a conscious state from beginning to end in sequential order, one event to the next. In this state, one can remember events of the past and understand events as they occur but time to the conscious mind is going in order and therefore places an imaginary line between the past, present, and future.

A line, however, does not exist if the past, present, and future are all transpiring at the same instance. The subconscious mind is in this state with no boundaries, and is not restrained to only observe time in sequential order from start to finish. It’s a higher level of thinking but one can not to communicate the subconscious with the conscious mind, or at least not effectively. If one could concoct a way to communicate the two minds, would it be possible to comprehend the future?

 

Sorry, I got bored of responding to this post. I think the answers to your subsequent questions have already been addressed earlier in my reply.

 

And here I wanted the chance to predict the future! Oh well, now I don't feel like it any more.

[padren]

I think we are experiencing every moment at the same time, but at any given point of time, our minds' have a computational state that contains past data accrude via the senses and no way to percieve what occurs later, creating the illusion of the passage of time. Since the illusion aids any species' survival, its presense is likely to stay.

 

You can think of the subconscious as the part of our brain that is always working but we which has processes we do not observe. We get so use to the conscious "voice in our head" of our minds while we think and do math, that we forget that we actually have a 6th sense in the brain to sense the data we are thinking consciously.

 

We cannot sense all the data and computation of course, because the sensing process itself requires managing of data and computation, so we would always need "more brains" to sense that data too and it would get pretty useless to know that you know that you know that you are thinking of something etc.

 

The subconscious, while mysterious, is still based on data input from the senses, and that input occurs due to the laws of the universe applied over time, ie causality.

 

Therefore, the only way to have any knowledge of the future, would be if there is a process within physics that allows for counter-causal reactions (events in the present caused by events in the future), which have not yet been observed anywhere in physics to my knowledge.

 

Then you have the issue of changing the future, which if everything is happening "at the same time" is already written. A moment in time is either this or that, and will always be such. To change anything in a point of time would require the word "change" which is inherently a function of time and causality itself. You would actually need a second temporal dimension to track "when" you changed a point in time and that really starts not to make sense.

[Wetard89]

If you disregard causal order, the concepts of past, present, and future become irrelevant.

 

So what would you say to a quote from Einstein "...for us physicists who believe, the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." from his fabric of time

Einstein believed there was no true division between past and future so he rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now.