Jump to content

Is being closed a sufficient condition for a finite subset to be a subgroup?

Featured Replies

H is a finite subset of a group G, and for each h1, h2 in H their combination h1h2 is also in H. Is H a group?

No. The subset also must contain the identity as well as the inverses for all elements of the subset. The associative property is however inherited from the group G.

 

Edited by KJW

  • Author

I think, that being finite and closed guarantees that it contains the identity and all the inverses. 

Edited by Genady

30 minutes ago, Genady said:

I think, that being finite and closed guarantees that it contains the identity and all the inverses. 

Can you provide a proof? I can't at this time provide a counterexample.

 

EDIT: I think you may be correct. If one chooses a single non-identity element as a generator, then if it is a finite generator, the subset generated must contain the identity element and all the inverses of the elements of the generated subset, and hence be a group. But if the generator is not finite, then the subset generated is not necessarily a group.

 

Edited by KJW

  • Author

IOW,

Let's take any h in H. Because of H being closed, all combinations h, hh, hhh, ... are in H. But because of H being finite, some combinations should repeat, say hm = hn for some m<n. Then hn = hmhn-m = hm and thus hn-m is identity, e (from G). e = hn-m is thus contained in H.

Now, if n-m = 1, then e = h is inverse of itself. Otherwise, e = hhn-m-1, which makes hn-m-1 an inverse of h.

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in

Sign In Now

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.