snp.gupta

THIS is the ultimate question and of which there is NO answer by anybody

 

I have asked this question for years

 

space is a consequense of matter

 

time is a mathematical concept , based on the fundamental movement(s) of energy and matter

 

time is NOT in any way a substance

:-)'Space-time continuum' is that required really any where????, even as a concept???

snp.gupta, jeff was not talking about the local group. Andromeda is a only 2.5 million light years away, very small compared to the distances to which jeff was alluding. He was talking about galaxies on the other side of the Great Attractor. The Great Attractor is 250 million light years away, so he was referring to galaxies 500 million light years away. At these distances the Hubble flow overwhelms any local motion and overwhelms gravity.

 

 

 

Thread moved to pseudoscience.

Thank you sir,

There are blue shifted Galaxies there also, Can there be any catalog giving the details...

regards:-)

This is a straw man, Jeff. You are intentionally omitting the Hubble Flow. The motion toward the Great Attractor is small compared to the motion induced by the expansion of space. We would only see blue shifted galaxies if the Great Attractor dominated the expansion of space.

Do you mean to say, Andromeda is now no more a Blue shifted galaxy?

Can you please explain…????....

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What exactly would the universe be defined as? All of the matter and the space it occupies? If space dosent end and does go on forever (lets say without overlapping on itself) wouldn't most of space be regions where the matter and energy from the big bang has not yet reached? (like i said im just a weedhead from jersey, sorry if its hard to grasp what im saying) ....

:-)What will happen if space exists there also???

think rotation by that huge object and the mass or matter that is within that space

 

and the consequences

:-)Then space bends is it ???

Why? The path of mass or matter will bend, why space it self?

Then space converts to time there.

How to prove it Experimentally???

“The Pioneer anomaly or Pioneer effect is the observed deviation from expectations of the trajectories of various unmanned spacecraft visiting the outer solar system, notably Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11. Both spacecraft are escaping from the solar system, and are slowing down under the influence of the Sun's gravity.” as described by Wikipedia.

Dynamic universe model of cosmology has a natutal explanation to this problem. It shows effectively the acceleration due to gravity of SUN increases towards SUN, approximately beyond Mercury -4.44202E-07 m /sec^2 ; beyond MOON -2.11409E-08 m /sec^2 ; beyond Mars -2.11E-08 m /sec^2 ; beyond Jupiter -2.30844E-05 m /sec^2 ; beyond Saturn -2.44565E-06 m /sec^2 ; beyond Uranus -8.91522E-08 m /sec^2 and beyond Neptune -4.3E-09 m /sec^2. The negative sign indicates that the force is acting towards SUN in the same direction as SUN’s acceleration due to gravity. These values are approximate and depend not only on distance from SUN to the test particle, but also overall effect of gravitation of near by stars, Milkyway and its center, globular systems and Local system. Here we have done some approximations. These approximations had to be done for two reasons. Total data was not available. Even if the data available, there is no computer which can handle all that data of 10^13 stars individually.

Dynamic universe model is different from Newtonian static model, Einstein’s Special & General theories of Relativity, Hoyle’s Steady state theory, MOND, M-theory & String theories or any of the Unified field theories. It is basically computationally intensive real observational data based theoretical system. It is based on non uniform densities of matter distribution in space. There is no space time continuum. It uses the fact that mass of moon is different to that of a Galaxy. No negative time. No singularity of any kind. No divide by zero error in any computation/ calculation till today. No black holes, No Bigbang or no many minute Bigbangs. All real numbers are used with no imaginary number. Geometry is in Euclidian space. Some of its earlier results are non collapsing non symmetric mass distributions. It proves that there is no missing mass in Galaxy due to circular velocity curves. Today it tries to solve the Pioneer anomaly.

Our universe is not a Newtonian type static universe. There is no Big bang singularity, so “ What happened before Big bang?” question does not arise. Ours is neither an expanding nor contracting universe. It is not infinite but it is a closed finite universe. Our universe is neither isotropic nor homogeneous. It is LUMPY. But it is not empty. It may not hold an infinite sink at the infinity to hold all the energy that is escaped. This is closed universe and no energy will go out of it. Ours is not a steady state universe in the sense, it does not require matter generation through empty spaces. No starting point of time is required. Time and spatial coordinates can be chosen as required. No imaginary time, perpendicular to normal time axis, is required. No baby universes, black holes or warm holes were built in.

This universe exists now in the present state, it existed earlier, and it will continue to exist in future also in a similar way. All physical laws will work at any time and at any place. Evidences for the three dimensional rotations or the dynamism of the universe can be seen in the streaming motions of local group and local cluster. Here in this dynamic universe, both the red shifted and blue shifted Galaxies co-exist simultaneously.

Ref

http://www.bautforum.com/against-mainstream/82024-pioneer-anomaly-dynamic-universe-model-cosmology.html

The Problem:

Calculations of the radio Doppler and ranging data, which gives information on the velocity and distance of both the Pioneer spacecraft; shows an acceleration of (8.74 ± 1.33) × 10−10 m/s2 for both spacecraft towards Sun, compared to the predicted position data. Even after their relative proximity to the Sun, Galileo and Ulysses spacecraft also shows a similar effect, and they are spin-stabilised, no thrusters. The measured value of acceleration difference for Cassini satellite is (26.7 ± 1.1) × 10−10 m/s2, but that includes some thermal effects. What is the result of these thermal effects is not known. At present there is no universally accepted explanation for this problem. Now the Dynamic Universe Model offers a solution why there will be more attraction force towards SUN.

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In places where there is no matter (a true void i guess) would time exist?

Would it even need to exist since absolutley nothing is going on (movement)?

And, without matter would space exist?

 

I sorta got my own theory on this but i cannot put it into words.

In that condition, why time is required?

:confused:Do you exist there?

Where on this universe such place exists?

Weird imagination……!!!!…..

Call me crazy but i have always had the notion that the universe is a black hole...Sounds strange but what it would mean is that there is enough mass in a small enough area to bend space in on it self ..That means that space can never end because when you look forward you are seeing the space that is behind you in a sence.

 

Kind of like if you went all the way around the earth you will end up at the same spot you started making the earth appear infinitly large to someone that didnt know any better.

:-)Why don’t we think in terms of Normal Physics? Is it not too much imagination?

 

I feel we can explain every thing with Normal every day EXPERIMENTAL Physics…

 

Why should we get into math singularity and go nowhere from there???

because thats where physics is at

 

mathematical physics seems to think " space can bend " it can't

 

it just " seems " that way

:-)You are correct sir,

Light Rays near huge masses bend. It does not imply space itself is bent ????

the answer is:

 

there is one flock of sheep in Scotland and they are black on one side.

TomC,

 

.....final line of a well-known math joke. Why he did this, I have no clue, but you really shouldn't worry much about it since it's not relevant to your inquiry.

 

 

A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer were traveling through Scotland when they saw a black sheep through the window of the train.

"Aha," says the engineer, "I see that Scottish sheep are black."

"Hmm," says the physicist, "You mean that some Scottish sheep are black."

"No," says the mathematician, "

All we know is that there is at least one sheep in Scotland, and that at least one side of that one sheep is black!"

 

Sir,

Does this “single sheep with one side black” really exist???

I will ask more directly, Is space-time continuum really required????

if Space is infinite,which is logically consistent,could that explain an over-abundance of Dark Matter?

Existence of Darkmatter is required theoretically for explaining the circular velocity curves of stars in any Galaxy. Stars show higher velocities than the central mass available in the Galaxy.

Call me crazy but i have always had the notion that the universe is a black hole...Sounds strange but what it would mean is that there is enough mass in a small enough area to bend space in on it self ..That means that space can never end because when you look forward you are seeing the space that is behind you in a sence.

 

Kind of like if you went all the way around the earth you will end up at the same spot you started making the earth appear infinitly large to someone that didnt know any better.

:-)Why don’t we think in terms of Normal Physics? Is it not too much imagination?

I feel we can explain every thing with Normal every day EXPERIMENTAL Physics…

Why should we get into math singularity and go nowhere from there???