Bettina

Your statement is correct and I fully accept that, but I also accept that lots of supporting evidence does not set it in concrete. If we ever discover a life form or building blocks on a comet, and I believe we will, things are going to change fast. I found that link I mentioned. Here it is. http://www.bazaluk.com/en/01.html Bettina

As space exploration continues, I believe it will be found that life was created during the early formation of the universe and once this life was "seeded" thrived on the planets that could support it and is still going on today. The present scientific "theory" of life originating on earth, in my opinion, will be in question. Life evolved from the oceans and I have no doubt that I rode in on a comet. At one time I had a great link to a great explanation and I will find it shortly, but for now, check this out. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/seta/2002/05/23/stories/2002052300020200.htm Bettina

Also, who is to say that life didn't start elsewhere in the universe and we simply rode in on one of the thousands of comets that helped create our oceans. Which, by the way, is what I always believed. Bettina

I don't believe I was incorrect, but the point is moot now that the title has changed. Bettina

It matters not now.....the title of the thread has changed which messes things up. So my answer to the NEW question is NO. Bettina

Thanks...Its nice to hear from someone going thru what I go thru. It has been quiet for awhile, I've been running a lot now and it seems to help. The physiciatrist is done with me. She admits I am highly emotional, highly intuitive, and in her words "have a superior skill at reading others peoples emotions". She says I have the characteristics of PTSD but doesn't fully understand the results she gets. So, she is sending me to a Physcoanalyst friend of hers. She won't show me what she has on me, and is forwarding the paperwork to the other guy. I have to stay on the meds until the new guy determines otherwise. This is getting very boring for me to spend 45 minutes just talking about life. I knew she wasn't going to be able to help me and I was right. The meds don't do anything for me except in the beginning they made me feel different. Now they seem to do nothing. I know what I am.....(and she never used the word once and neither did I) its just that I don't think they have a way to stop it...and I would like to stop it. I'm frightened being inside other things. I just want to be inside me. I'm on a teen depression forum, and a Physco online forum, but neither of them are any help. The teen one is full of pill poppers. Not for me. One thing I will admit though, the last two girls that got killed, didn't get to me like the others, but then...they didn't suffer either. Bettina

Dang.....I missed all this Bettina

That does not settle it. The original question was...."does environmental damage destroy life or change it? What do you think?" Environmental damage IS destroying life, and if unchecked, humans will die. That is destroying life. There will not be enough time for mutations to occur for humans. Yes, bacteria can live in swamps, but your a human. Bettina

If the environmental damage continues at its present rate, and I believe it will, it will eventually destroy lower forms of life first, which in turn kills animals, which in turn will end up affecting and killing humans. Life will not have had enough time to adapt or mutate into forms that will be able to tolerate the new conditions. Its sad that my country considers it just a nuisance rather than look at it for what it really is. Bettina

I looked here too and they claim the universe is flat. So, can it still be spherical but so large that it looks flat? I'm just having a hard time imagining an explosion of space not being spherical in shape at the beginning. http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101shape.html Bettina

I read it....and the answer is.....they don't know yet. Bettina

Help me to understand this. If the universe was created from a big bang, how could it be other than spherical? I don't understand how it could be flat. Bettina

Hey!....You are not a moron. I respect you and enjoy reading your comments, and don't let the refferal number bother you. YT has been here 2 years and only has 2. Its just a number. Cheer up! You are respected. Bettina

This is my closing statement for this thread. The question posed by the opening thread, was "What is a pedophile" and since then, a bunch of different opinions have surfaced to try to convince us that the medical definition is not really acceptable and that they are simply "boy/girl lovers" who are harmless and much different than the stigmatized version. Don't you believe it. I may have come a long way in understanding the pedophile than when I first posted in this thread, but understanding and accepting are two different things. The intent of the pedophile is still correct which I can break down in four groups, three of which have posted in this thread. Group one consists of pedophiles who have not posted here. They are those who know what they are, are morally ashamed, and keep it in complete control. He will live out his entire life without anyone being the wiser. He does not engage in any private or open display of sexual affection of a child. He could, for example be my father, and I would never have known and I don't consider this pedophile a threat to anyone and he should be both respected and commended. The second type is the one who is content acting out his fantasies in the privacy of his bathroom while looking at kids in underwear from a JC Penney book and most likely will have photos of children in his home. He also knows what he is, and does not want to act out his fantasies in real life for fear of getting caught and having his name in the paper, but also does not want to hurt anyone. A pedophile with a soul perhaps. He is also not a threat. The third type is the one who plays kissing games with his nieces or nephews. He interacts with kids from his daughters or sons slumber or birthday parties. He will befriend kids in his neighborhood, hosting parties, etc. If he can, he will have kids on his lap, rubbing and caressing. He will try to get a cheap feel now and then and will seem very loving and likes being with children. Touching children is good enough to satisfy his desires but he is very much a threat. The last type is the one who wants to have consensual sex with a little kid. He goes as far as trying to find groups of young kids who have similar interests and you will hear them arguing that the Aoc laws are too strict and strive for a world where 8 year olds are legal. They argue that the Aoc laws are unfair to teens, but in reality are thinking of themselves and themselves alone. Since when is a pedophile worried that the Aoc laws are unfair for teenagers. Teens have been having sex since the dawn of time. We can do it safely and secretly too. Parents aren't smart enough to catch us, so please save your "Aoc laws are unfair to teens" speeches. We don't need you. The only reason you want them changed is to benefit you....the middle aged adult. What about teen pedophiles? I don't know, but to me a 13 year old who fondles a 4 year old needs serious help....not jail. When I speak of a pedophile, I'm speaking of a grown man or women. An adult pedophile who should go to jail if caught. While I write this, I can place myself in the body of a 7year old child . I am sitting on the lap of a person I trust and like very much. He may be my favorite uncle. He buys me gifts, and tells me that I'm his favorite girl of all time and that he loves me very much. I can feel his hands rubbing my legs as he kisses me on my neck. He is loving and tender, and as I lay there on his lap, his hand edges up my thigh so I take his hand and place it between my legs and he allows me to do this. I am experimenting and he is taking advantage of that fact.I like what he is doing and it feels good. What I don't realize is that I'm in the hands of a pedophile child molester and I am being molested. I don't know what molesting is because I've never heard the word before and I don't realize the implications. All I do know is that it feels good and he isn't hurting me. I don't realize yet that he's robbing me of my normal childhood memories. The pedophile will post his thoughts trying to convince people that this is the modern age, and sexuality begins at birth. He will try to convince you that its acceptable in these modern times for adults to have sex with a child. He will try to make you think its both healthy and helpful for the child to learn sex from an adult first. I've heard this called "breaking her in". He will go on to mention that in bongo bongo, they do this "breaking in" all the time without any lasting affects being noticed on the child. He will come here and say that it happened to him personally at 3,4, or 7 years old and they enjoyed it so it should be good for the rest of the kids. He will tell you sometimes that the 8 year old "knew what she was doing" when she snuggled up and touched the 35 year old adult. That it was she or he that initiated the sex act. I even heard pedophile priests make that claim. He will also post sites that agree with his convictions as proof that this is acceptable. The list of excuses that pedophiles have to support there lust for little kids are endless. So, the answer to the original question is always the same. The pedophile is a person who has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children age 13 years or.... as posted here..... as low as 7 years old. Some, will keep it buried, but some will act it out and like I said, I understand the pedophile now and I do sincerely empathize with them, but my first instinct is to protect the little kids, and I for one, will never accept the practicing pedophile as anything less than what they really are....Child molesters. To all you parents who have children, keep those Aoc laws where they are, watch your children at the playgrounds, keep telling them the difference between right and wrong and where they should not be touched, tell them to scream out loud and kick if they are ever grabbed, never to get talked into going anywhere with strangers, and don't let the scorpions convince you that they mean no harm.......its what they do. Bettina

I'm having network problems, so I haven't been able to reply much, but I will make my feelings known soon. Meanwhile, I want to say that some of the pedophiles here are losing credability fast by showing their true colors and intent....and its made me puke several times. I tend to do that when there is a character clash. Bettina

I will answer that question when you tell me what age group you are referring to when you use the word "child". I'll be waiting..... Bettina

I don't mind, I get them all the time, but I know what the implications are. A child does not. Bettina

Gee, and I came early to get a good seat too.......

You are comparing the exact scenario that I already said you couldn't compare. teen on teen vs adult on child. We are both old enough to know the consequences. Its not in the same category as adult on child.Its not the same thing. Again, you can't make the comparison, but to answer it, If I loved him, and I know he loved me, and I wanted to have sex with him, I could, and would, make him cave. 5% of those REPORTED. Look how long the pedophile priests went unnoticed. 20 years in some cases.I'm sorry, but the simple fact is that by medical definion a pedophile is sexually attracted to children. Otherwise he wouldn't be a pedophile. Don't try to slide in "boy lover" to dilute it, because that won't work either. I mean no disrespect to any of you. I have a changed opinion, but since I can't distinguish who is good or bad, The only logical choice is to group you all together. Another way. If I reached into a group of Pedophiles, (I have weeded out murderers, monsters, and the like first) and grabbed one of you to babysit a very cute little boy for a week in a remote cabin in the woods, I will have a man who is sexually attracted to children babysitting a cute little boy. How can his parents logically not worry. If I was doing the babysitting, and it was a little boy or girl, the parents would have no worries. The scorpion is a scorpion and even if I trained some not to sting, I would put them all in the same box before I went to bed. I don't want to offend any of you. I have a new appreciation of what your going thru, but you have to realize that because of what you are, (god given) you have the potential to do harm even though it does not exist now. Bettina

I want to change this thread a little...... Instead of a guilotine, you are sentenced to death this way.... Suppose you were standing straight up on a flat floor. In back of you was this super thin, fine honed, surgical steel blade mounted on a pendulum. When the pendulum was released, it picked up quite a bit of speed before entering the back of your neck. The cut was so clean that little blood was noticed and the pendulum lost very little velocity as it exited out the front of your neck with no blunt trauma associated with a guilotine. Your head, though completely severed, is still on your body and has yet to fall. (pretend it will slide off, and assume no blood transfer from the body to the head) Would you see the pendulum moving away from you? Would you "know" what has happened? How long will you be capable of knowing? Just curious Bettina

Not the same argument. With me, it would be two same age teens who KNOW THE RISKS. I could point that out to him or make him back off. I can reason with him why its not the right time. The other way it would be the ADULT who knows the risk, but the little boy doesn't. He may not know what is right and could easily be talked into believing it is. But, to go further, say the boy and I do have sex. It will not hurt me mentally or MORALLY. When Sayonara reopened this thread, I thought he was a jerk. But now, I know he wasn't. By reopening it, I got a feel for what the pedophile is going through and I have said so. I really do feel bad for you. I have come a long way from calling you a (self censored) and I am learning. But if someone can show me data that its ok to mix wolves and baby sheep then I will change my mind. Maybe it happens, but not as the norm and stop trying to compare teen vs teen, adult vs adult, with adult vs child. It doesn't work...at least not in my school. I'm sorry you feel threatened. It was not my intention. Bettina

No....sex is not the only thing. I enjoy being with boys AND girls, but your analogy is not the same. If I hang around with a 17 yr old boy, who is my friend, there is no way I'm going to have sex with him because the "sexual attraction" is not there. Also, If for some strange reason I lose control and have sex with him (haven't yet) then morally (by teen standards) I have done nothing wrong. Apply this to you, and it would be adult on child which is morally wrong by any standard. said the scorpion to the donkey.......Do you see where I'm coming from? You already want just a single boy....not girl. I can't believe that you could befriend a little boy, the very thing that some part of you wants to love and have sex with, and become his friend and mentor without risk. Thats risk without a safety net. And without that, should a situation arise where you are alone with him, and he snuggles up to you, I believe you could and would take advantage. If you lose control the boy is damaged and please don't come back and tell me about willpower. That won't work for me. Bettina